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Old 4th Feb 2024, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Singapore777
thatís remarkable. Staff on pay doing nothing.. that surely keeps MOL up at night.

does base training have to be done by a certain point after the LST? I.e they couldnít delay BT until they were ready for your LT to avoid having to pay you for a few months to do nada
You will never be ready for LT unless you have BT. Why? Because in order to process your license with the TR you need to do line ops ground school and this can only be done after BT.
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Originally Posted by VeeeOne
I might be incorrect, but I believe it's 21days
It is. However, this is not a problem for them because you will be called for simulator refresher
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Originally Posted by Singapore777
thatís remarkable. Staff on pay doing nothing.. that surely keeps MOL up at night.

does base training have to be done by a certain point after the LST? I.e they couldnít delay BT until they were ready for your LT to avoid having to pay you for a few months to do nada
These guys are on about 16k a year, he has bigger fish to fry. What you may find more interesting though is the direct entry FOs hired over 6 months ago, on full UK FO salary since day 1, and haven't lifted a finger since the end of their type rating 4 months ago (except for the circuit sim every 21 days). All sat at home since then earning £5000 a month just for existing.

There was a notice a few weeks ago about LTCs currently being recruited for all bases. There was a pay increase for contractor line trainers too ... some may decide to finally bite the bullet.
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Old 4th Feb 2024, 17:50
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It is still the position that RyanAir are stepping up recruitment DEC. Massive push. They aren't interested in FO as they have no training staff available. No upgrades being initiated no matter what their denial position they take. They are failing to attract TRE, TRI and appear to believe that the terms they are proffering aren't the issue. Crazy, but that Michael at times.

I see competition taking a different stance with training and are at least retaining their staff.
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Originally Posted by rotorwills
It is still the position that RyanAir are stepping up recruitment DEC. Massive push. They aren't interested in FO as they have no training staff available. No upgrades being initiated no matter what their denial position they take. They are failing to attract TRE, TRI and appear to believe that the terms they are proffering aren't the issue. Crazy, but that Michael at times.

I see competition taking a different stance with training and are at least retaining their staff.
sounds like problems incoming for summer 2024.

Ryanair is more like a flying school nowadays. Junior FO's pushing line training. And senior FO's leaving because they won't be upgraded due to training shortages. Especially since most of the senior FO's joined when time to command was only 3-4 years. It should still be 3-4 years but DEC jumping right in front of them with no outlook of any improvement.

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Originally Posted by aerodestination
sounds like problems incoming for summer 2024.

Ryanair is more like a flying school nowadays. Junior FO's pushing line training. And senior FO's leaving because they won't be upgraded due to training shortages. Especially since most of the senior FO's joined when time to command was only 3-4 years. It should still be 3-4 years but DEC jumping right in front of them with no outlook of any improvement.
I have no idea what is source but I am working for them and that not true. Upgrade is still provided in 3 to 4 years.
Training Shortage? Nahh. LTC shortage but they have good amount of SFI TRE TEI.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 08:39
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Originally Posted by rotorwills
It is still the position that RyanAir are stepping up recruitment DEC. Massive push. They aren't interested in FO as they have no training staff available. No upgrades being initiated no matter what their denial position they take. They are failing to attract TRE, TRI and appear to believe that the terms they are proffering aren't the issue. Crazy, but that Michael at times.

I see competition taking a different stance with training and are at least retaining their staff.
In my wingís ceremony we were 85 peoples which at least 25 TTR FO.
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Old 7th Feb 2024, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Scorpape
Yes of course, I am aware of that. If anyone with a french, Italian or German MAY contract could share the figures
Im based in the biggest base in Italy. Still waiting for the new pay increase coming in march, but with 70hrs a month you can expect around 5k net, with 90 even 6k. If you get sent out of base, you can expect a bit more than that.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
At present winter time. Itís a bit quieter at RYR. Last summer was diabolical at RYR. Earlies weíre starting 5-6am. Landing after 4 sectors at 16.00 was normal. Earlier than that you had an easy day or were hitting 99hrs for 28 days. Once a week landing at 18.00. 12 hrs rest and back in again. 5 days on and pretty much didnít see the other half apart from dinner together. Lates starting anytime from 12.00 and landing sometime 11-12 hrs later. Twice in a 5 day block I went into discretion, pushing 14hrs.
So yes while RYR you will be sleeping in your own bed days on you might not see the family. Speak with anyone with a family and the conversation usually goes like this. ďWhat day you on? Day 5. Oh so off tomorrow. Yeah sleep first day. 2 days with family. Last day get up early/late to adjust body clockĒ

This coupled with pay etc is why many are leaving RYR.
Personal opinion on this post taken from another thread, better answered in this thread:

In summer expect frequently commuting in on lates day 1, during early, yes early rush hour for late duty (9-10am report) 4 sector days, repeated delays, frequent disruption and discretion. Those early 'late' duties ensured you still worked all your duties that week as gradually your start times are later avoiding you going out of hours. That kind of roster manipulation doing often 18-20 flights at times over 5 days is like a pressure cooker. 5/4 is most certainly not attractive done like this, it's the biggest con ever. Expect that 5/4 to feel like 6/3 or worse for summer months. Fine in winter but hell on earth at times in summer. You report at the aircraft, so all those security queues and distant car parking and bus journeys are taken away from your minimum rest time.

There are no defined early/late report times so disruption to sleep/rest is common in summer, with unstable roster and working away from base commonplace. Expect in summer to at times work into day 6 (day 1 off) on lates landing 1-3am with delays, arriving home at times after 3-4am, totally destroying day 1 off.

This will be totally unpaid and forced upon you to complete regardless of day off plans. Then plan to be awake just after 3am for day 1 early (repeatedly over 5 or 6 days), then you start to see the reality. The truth is that this 5/4 roster as attractive as it sounds, is actually very fatiguing at times, and this is why crew are leaving in droves. Let's not go there with other issues of management and Covid support enjoyed by crew over the years.

For summer, plan on having little to no life at all apart from commuting and work, then you see the reality of 5/4. Then plan on day 1 off and late on day 4 off being a total wash out, hence 5/4 being in reality more like 6/3 in disguise in summer.
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Originally Posted by Captain Biggles 101
Personal opinion on this post taken from another thread, better answered in this thread:

In summer expect frequently commuting in on lates day 1, during early, yes early rush hour for late duty (9-10am report) 4 sector days, repeated delays, frequent disruption and discretion. Those early 'late' duties ensured you still worked all your duties that week as gradually your start times are later avoiding you going out of hours. That kind of roster manipulation doing often 18-20 flights at times over 5 days is like a pressure cooker. 5/4 is most certainly not attractive done like this, it's the biggest con ever. Expect that 5/4 to feel like 6/3 or worse for summer months. Fine in winter but hell on earth at times in summer. You report at the aircraft, so all those security queues and distant car parking and bus journeys are taken away from your minimum rest time.

There are no defined early/late report times so disruption to sleep/rest is common in summer, with unstable roster and working away from base commonplace. Expect in summer to at times work into day 6 (day 1 off) on lates landing 1-3am with delays, arriving home at times after 3-4am, totally destroying day 1 off.

This will be totally unpaid and forced upon you to complete regardless of day off plans. Then plan to be awake just after 3am for day 1 early (repeatedly over 5 or 6 days), then you start to see the reality. The truth is that this 5/4 roster as attractive as it sounds, is actually very fatiguing at times, and this is why crew are leaving in droves. Let's not go there with other issues of management and Covid support enjoyed by crew over the years.

For summer, plan on having little to no life at all apart from commuting and work, then you see the reality of 5/4. Then plan on day 1 off and late on day 4 off being a total wash out, hence 5/4 being in reality more like 6/3 in disguise in summer.
DAMN . If I went and saw my my AME now after reading your post I'd lose my medical and will to live, I've been with Ryanair for over 20+ years and the reason I have stayed is the fact that I do have a life away from work and a very good one too, Home is 30 minutes away and the 5/4 works very well for me, Tired at times YES but never fatigued.( Im guessing you have no idea what so ever what Fatigue is ,Ive had fatigue once after a serious illness and the Ryanair work schedule has never come close to that)

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Old 13th Feb 2024, 12:19
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Originally Posted by Captain Biggles 101
Personal opinion on this post taken from another thread, better answered in this thread:

In summer expect frequently commuting in on lates day 1, during early, yes early rush hour for late duty (9-10am report) 4 sector days, repeated delays, frequent disruption and discretion. Those early 'late' duties ensured you still worked all your duties that week as gradually your start times are later avoiding you going out of hours. That kind of roster manipulation doing often 18-20 flights at times over 5 days is like a pressure cooker. 5/4 is most certainly not attractive done like this, it's the biggest con ever. Expect that 5/4 to feel like 6/3 or worse for summer months. Fine in winter but hell on earth at times in summer. You report at the aircraft, so all those security queues and distant car parking and bus journeys are taken away from your minimum rest time.

There are no defined early/late report times so disruption to sleep/rest is common in summer, with unstable roster and working away from base commonplace. Expect in summer to at times work into day 6 (day 1 off) on lates landing 1-3am with delays, arriving home at times after 3-4am, totally destroying day 1 off.

This will be totally unpaid and forced upon you to complete regardless of day off plans. Then plan to be awake just after 3am for day 1 early (repeatedly over 5 or 6 days), then you start to see the reality. The truth is that this 5/4 roster as attractive as it sounds, is actually very fatiguing at times, and this is why crew are leaving in droves. Let's not go there with other issues of management and Covid support enjoyed by crew over the years.

For summer, plan on having little to no life at all apart from commuting and work, then you see the reality of 5/4. Then plan on day 1 off and late on day 4 off being a total wash out, hence 5/4 being in reality more like 6/3 in disguise in summer.
This was a reason why I left. I told them that in my exit call.

5/4 is the biggest con going. Landed many times at between 1-4am in summer on to days off. First off day a write off. First time I called up asking if I get an extra day off or paid? They just laughed.
RYR the ones laughing.
I get around 2 days off less a month now however I feel so much fresher overall.
Of all the captains I flew with at RYR the only ones happy are captains that have only been at RYR and donít know any different.

Even without overtime as an FO my salary is nearly 40% more than when I was at RYR.
We have an amazing swap system. Needed day off recently which I didnt ask for just tried to bid. I was working. No dramas. On to swaps and managed to get it off. Didnít even have to ask the company. Itís amazing.
RYR getting a day off when you are on your working block is nigh on impossible.

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Old 13th Feb 2024, 16:54
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Ive been with Three other company's before Ryanair so your statement is inaccurate. For me I wouldn't go back to the other company's as I know the differences and it isn't always greener..
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Originally Posted by Steve1968
Ive been with Three other company's before Ryanair so your statement is inaccurate. For me I wouldn't go back to the other company's as I know the differences and it isn't always greener..
Well Iím sorry I worked at an airline before RYR. I was treated much much better.

I am not making anything up. I heard stories before and decided for myself it canít be that bad. It was.

Positives I took away was the training being very very good. Canít fault it at all.
The rest well ermÖÖÖÖ.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 08:15
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Originally Posted by Steve1968
DAMN . If I went and saw my my AME now after reading your post I'd lose my medical and will to live, I've been with Ryanair for over 20+ years and the reason I have stayed is the fact that I do have a life away from work and a very good one too, Home is 30 minutes away and the 5/4 works very well for me, Tired at times YES but never fatigued.( Im guessing you have no idea what so ever what Fatigue is ,Ive had fatigue once after a serious illness and the Ryanair work schedule has never come close to that)
As a person who does that for living in RYR is much less dramatic as he wrote. I completely disagree with what he said.

For me itís just seems like everyone who complain here ended up in a place they didnít ask for and now blame everyone else except themselves..when you join any company you need to understand you work for them in order to help them to success and you should do a little more than just your rule to make it work.

I am working for Ryanair I have zero complaints, I read before I knew where I am going to work and I accept that. You donít like it? Go and leave us alone itís much safer to fly with someone who enjoy what he/she is doing. Stop complain all the time
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
This was a reason why I left. I told them that in my exit call.

5/4 is the biggest con going. Landed many times at between 1-4am in summer on to days off. First off day a write off. First time I called up asking if I get an extra day off or paid? They just laughed.
RYR the ones laughing.
I get around 2 days off less a month now however I feel so much fresher overall.
Of all the captains I flew with at RYR the only ones happy are captains that have only been at RYR and donít know any different.

Even without overtime as an FO my salary is nearly 40% more than when I was at RYR.
We have an amazing swap system. Needed day off recently which I didnt ask for just tried to bid. I was working. No dramas. On to swaps and managed to get it off. Didnít even have to ask the company. Itís amazing.
RYR getting a day off when you are on your working block is nigh on impossible.
Blah blah blah

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As a person who does that for living in RYR is much less dramatic as he wrote. I completely disagree with what he said.

For me itís just seems like everyone who complain here ended up in a place they didnít ask for and now blame everyone else except themselves..when you join any company you need to understand you work for them in order to help them to success and you should do a little more than just your rule to make it work.

I am working for Ryanair I have zero complaints, I read before I knew where I am going to work and I accept that. You donít like it? Go and leave us alone itís much safer to fly with someone who enjoy what he/she is doing. Stop complain all the time
So speaketh the person who has flown for nobody else....
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
So speaketh the person who has flown for nobody else....
Yeah rightÖ5k hours, third job, second with airline I have zero complain
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PJN says a new pay deal has been agreed between FR and BALPA in UK.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
Well Iím sorry I worked at an airline before RYR. I was treated much much better.

I am not making anything up. I heard stories before and decided for myself it canít be that bad. It was.

Positives I took away was the training being very very good. Canít fault it at all.
The rest well ermÖÖÖÖ.
RYR is probably delighted that you left
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Low standards then...
Coming from a Jet2 pilot.
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