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Old 14th Oct 2023, 13:06
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Originally Posted by iamryranair
Hi All,
Reading through this forum and want to highlight a couple of things;
  • DEC Assessments take place weekly in STN, if you are successful you will be offered a position within 5 working days, you apply on careers.ryanair.com
  • UK Captain Salary is £147k or £144k if regional (if dual licence rated)
  • Basic £108,000 Allowance (uniform, parking, loss of licence, or do whatever you want with it) £6,000 A/L pay £2,897 Sector pay £14,714 (based on 850 avg hours) Pension £8,000 London Allowance £3,000 Total £142,611 Dual licence Allowance £5,000 Total inc DLA £147,611
  • The psychometric assessment is provided by AON - If you successfully join a course, this is reimbursed in full
  • Its a fixed 5/4 roster for duration of your Ryanair career
  • For Non-Type Rated Captains it is a €15k reducing bond (no payment reductions etc)
  • Loads of opps for fast track command & training dept
Hope that helps
Cheers
The salary is NOT £147k. Annual leave, pension etc absolutely are not ‘salary’ when comparing to other places. A fair comparison for other carriers is about £125-£130K. And big caveat is that only the basic is set to keep rising over the years, albeit not by much. That ‘allowance’ thing, pension etc etc are all frozen so will reduce in value pretty rapidly.

Roster pattern is good, but that’s about it. Way way way better off money wise going to J2, or if you need to RYR to get some hours then J2.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 14:22
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Originally Posted by iamryranair
Hi All,
Reading through this forum and want to highlight a couple of things;
  • DEC Assessments take place weekly in STN, if you are successful you will be offered a position within 5 working days, you apply on careers.ryanair.com
  • UK Captain Salary is £147k or £144k if regional (if dual licence rated)
  • Basic £108,000 Allowance (uniform, parking, loss of licence, or do whatever you want with it) £6,000 A/L pay £2,897 Sector pay £14,714 (based on 850 avg hours) Pension £8,000 London Allowance £3,000 Total £142,611 Dual licence Allowance £5,000 Total inc DLA £147,611
  • The psychometric assessment is provided by AON - If you successfully join a course, this is reimbursed in full
  • Its a fixed 5/4 roster for duration of your Ryanair career
  • For Non-Type Rated Captains it is a €15k reducing bond (no payment reductions etc)
  • Loads of opps for fast track command & training dept
Hope that helps
Cheers
Oh here we go.

Adding on the pension when no other company in any industry does that. Jeez

Nice side track of the FO pay which is below par.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 14:40
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You can't complain when a company wish's to portray itself as competitive, adding all the benefits as part of basic salary however is not really fair. Fortunately we have posters who will call this out and it's a plainly obvious tactic. The one I would take issue with is the reference to, fast track command. Certainly I have knowledge that in the UK the shortage of FO's is seriously holding up internal,command opportunities. Do not believe that fast track is anything but false promise. I know of guys and gals with thousands of hours all over 4, that have not a chance of command. DEC is the way they are presently filling the large number of holes. The cadet program is planned to fix this issue eventually, but it's a few years off, before command upgrades go back to anything like normality. Do not be misled. It's all a pipe dream FR sell but on the other hand they do serve our aviation industry with opportunities.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 17:10
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Any plans for Ryanair to start taking UK licenced cadets?
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 17:41
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I would say the shortage of conmanders dwarfs the shortage of FOs in the UK
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 17:55
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Originally Posted by rotorwills
You can't complain when a company wish's to portray itself as competitive, adding all the benefits as part of basic salary however is not really fair. Fortunately we have posters who will call this out and it's a plainly obvious tactic. The one I would take issue with is the reference to, fast track command. Certainly I have knowledge that in the UK the shortage of FO's is seriously holding up internal,command opportunities. Do not believe that fast track is anything but false promise. I know of guys and gals with thousands of hours all over 4, that have not a chance of command. DEC is the way they are presently filling the large number of holes. The cadet program is planned to fix this issue eventually, but it's a few years off, before command upgrades go back to anything like normality. Do not be misled. It's all a pipe dream FR sell but on the other hand they do serve our aviation industry with opportunities.
You absolutely can complain, and we’ll continue to do so
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
I would say the shortage of conmanders dwarfs the shortage of FOs in the UK

well again you may have more accurate information than I possess, however I onky speak fir a small number I expect, but do have solid contact that maintain that Lack if experienced FO was a major concern for FR. I can see this situation being the case if you look over the situation firvthe past few years, covid impacts and competitive recruiting that has been evidenced. Jet2 and sand pit is and has been making holes in experienced crew retainment.
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Hey guys, if there is anyone based in Spain that is willing to share some t&c's figures would really appreciate it! Thanks anyway
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Old 16th Oct 2023, 07:22
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Greetings everyone.

Would Ryan Air hire with 800hrs frozen ATPL (13 ATPL exams completed) for FO positions? Also, do they have a base in Bucharest? Lastly, is the FO salary really 70k Euros?

Thank you
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Old 16th Oct 2023, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Messerschmitt
Greetings everyone.

Would Ryan Air hire with 800hrs frozen ATPL (13 ATPL exams completed) for FO positions? Also, do they have a base in Bucharest? Lastly, is the FO salary really 70k Euros?

Thank you
Yes there is a Malta Air base in Bucharest.

The requirements are clearly defined on the website, so go there and see if you fullfill requirements for DEFO otherweise there is the Cadet roles.

Salary varies depending on the contract and country your in and experience levels but an employee SFO would make 80.000€+ although with pension etc included.
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Old 16th Oct 2023, 20:35
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
Roster pattern is good, but that’s about it. Way way way better off money wise going to J2, or if you need to RYR to get some hours then J2.
I wouldn't imagine pilots are forced to work for RYR
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 10:46
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you are so wide of the mark with your command upgrade comments, speak to anyone in RYR and there are hundreds of command upgrade opps, this year we will be promoting upwards of 450, no other airline in Europe is doing those command numbers, direct entry is supplementing the commands, ask anyone who has ever worked for RYR and they will tell you that the CU programme is second to none, what other airline can you join at 19 and become a Captain at 23? likewise high hour DE FO's, they can move quickly into the left hand seat once they have completed a winter/summer season, i am only giving you facts here, i am not here to argue with anyone.
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 19:14
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iamryanair is correct in that with the correct experience and 12 months in the company and suitable sim grades the opportunities for command are there.

There is no seniority to get in the way and it’s a pure meritocracy. If your suitable and good enough your on the course.

What can be a reality is many new entry’s find 12 months in they are not ready for command upgrade but that’s not the same thing as saying the upgrade opportunities don’t exist.
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 19:43
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Ps I agree with those that say Ryanair can sell itself any way it wishes. I didn’t realise there were rules about that.

Anyone who comes to the assessment gets all the facts and no one forces anyone to join or the 6500 pilots who already have.

Don’t see why everyone gets on their high horse because an allowance is portrayed in a certain way or not.

People are big boys and girls and can read and decide what they like or don’t.

I can only believe because it’s Ryanair and because they don’t conform to some preconceived way of how things should be done. Surely no one is surprised Ryanair do things differently.

Ultimately if the money or roster is not competitive or people believe there is an underhand way of explaining the financial package people won’t join.

From what I can see people must be able to work these things out because there is no shortage of people attending assessments and signing up.

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Old 18th Oct 2023, 06:52
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Just curious Antonio Montana, how old is old enough and how much life experience do you need to be a airline Captain?

Can you be more specific for all aspiring 20 something year olds out there.

I always worked on if your good enough your old enough rule. But hey maybe I’m just old fashioned like that.

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Ps meant to say the Irish Aviation Authority, Civil Aviation Authority, Malta CAA and Polish CAA, can’t speak for Airbus crowd all think a 23 year old with 3000 hrs is sufficient for what it’s worth.
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Hi Ptflyig,

I got the spanish base and T&C; still working on the 'take' home numbers as taxation in spain is not yet clear for me. All the numbers are in gross and in Spain you get some tax exemptions under some conditions.
You could PM me for more details.
If more established Spanish base F/O's around maybe they could help us with some tax clarifications as with no tax exemptions i might end with 3000 Euro/month take home with 70 hrs flying, and way less then that in the 3 months off.
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hey guys, anyone knows if the alcohol/drug test at crewlink is just urine or also blood?
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send me a PM and I’ll give you a few DKK numbers

Thanks a lot Lazyturtle.

I got your message, but I cannot reply due to your inbox is full.

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Thanks a lot Lazyturtle.

I got your message, but I cannot reply due to your inbox is full.

Sorry I dont use pprune much but some limitations apply apparently. Should work now if not ask here if there is anything else
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