RYANAIR pilots, please share your thoughts/ experience
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Steve; look deeper, and I think you'll find you're the problem.
I do recognise the "gen Z" aspects you allude to, but setting that aside, the crews are the nicest and hardest working people i have worked with. Junior CCs can be very shy with FD, especially when a Captain is an egotistical prick, but made to feel valued and empowered, they are invariably a delight. Either way, far preferable to the egomaniacal pursers which some similar airlines are well endowed with.
I do recognise the "gen Z" aspects you allude to, but setting that aside, the crews are the nicest and hardest working people i have worked with. Junior CCs can be very shy with FD, especially when a Captain is an egotistical prick, but made to feel valued and empowered, they are invariably a delight. Either way, far preferable to the egomaniacal pursers which some similar airlines are well endowed with.
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I think it's wrong to tie poor behaviour in with the role.
There are good and bad in both seats. Some captains are so unprofessional and disdainful towards the SOPs (and the FO). Some captains are salt of the earth and people you would consider friends.
I am more than certain a number of FOs can be a pain, likewise I'm sure there are many decent individuals.
Same goes for the cabin crew down the back.
A lot of it depends on your base. Generally the bigger it is, the worse it is. Lots of dodgy individuals avoid detection simply due to how big the operation in the big bases is.
There are good and bad in both seats. Some captains are so unprofessional and disdainful towards the SOPs (and the FO). Some captains are salt of the earth and people you would consider friends.
I am more than certain a number of FOs can be a pain, likewise I'm sure there are many decent individuals.
Same goes for the cabin crew down the back.
A lot of it depends on your base. Generally the bigger it is, the worse it is. Lots of dodgy individuals avoid detection simply due to how big the operation in the big bases is.
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Steve; look deeper, and I think you'll find you're the problem.
I do recognise the "gen Z" aspects you allude to, but setting that aside, the crews are the nicest and hardest working people i have worked with. Junior CCs can be very shy with FD, especially when a Captain is an egotistical prick, but made to feel valued and empowered, they are invariably a delight. Either way, far preferable to the egomaniacal pursers which some similar airlines are well endowed with.
I do recognise the "gen Z" aspects you allude to, but setting that aside, the crews are the nicest and hardest working people i have worked with. Junior CCs can be very shy with FD, especially when a Captain is an egotistical prick, but made to feel valued and empowered, they are invariably a delight. Either way, far preferable to the egomaniacal pursers which some similar airlines are well endowed with.
Now I must log out so I stop seeing this drivel and Bollocks.
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First strike you should get away with it, with the standard threat of forced transfer and/or dismissal. That normally does the job.
Same procedure if you call fatigued.
After all the RYR 5/4 roster is approved by NASA, so you can’t possibly ever be fatigued.
Same procedure if you call fatigued.
After all the RYR 5/4 roster is approved by NASA, so you can’t possibly ever be fatigued.
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I’ll be honest this does sound, at the very least, a tad implausible
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Just to be clear, at the first time in your career of refusing to go into discretion, for whatever the reason, you’ll be offlined from your roster. You’ll then be positioned at company expense to Dublin where you’ll have a one way conversation with management and will be lucky to escape with just the threat of dismissal.
I’ll be honest this does sound, at the very least, a tad implausible
I’ll be honest this does sound, at the very least, a tad implausible
Fine, you might just get a meeting with your base captain if you have no previous offenses, but they are not very tolerant from the second time around, if you don’t have a VERY solid justification.
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Not as implausible as it sounds, if you knew a bit of the Ryanair management culture. There is ample literature of the threatening emails, most of which have made in on this forum, of the HR and flight ops comms to the pilot and cabin crew community.
Fine, you might just get a meeting with your base captain if you have no previous offenses, but they are not very tolerant from the second time around, if you don’t have a VERY solid justification.
Fine, you might just get a meeting with your base captain if you have no previous offenses, but they are not very tolerant from the second time around, if you don’t have a VERY solid justification.
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2 weeks ago the PIC refused discretion, have spoken to him since, not a peep from anyone.
One thing in ryanair is once you're doing things as you should, then you are ironclad and they will actually avoid you.
Another similar example .. don't open the active roster app to view that 2 hr earlier report time that's showing on your roster .. get a panicked 5AM phone call from Crew Control .. "I was off and therefore not on my work apps" (this is if you're nice and pick up). They'll not say a word, and it they do, you refer it to the ops manager who will sort it.
When you know what you are doing, life is very easy. Even in Ryanair. There are quite a few egos at management level, but easily handled, once you know how.
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Just to be clear, at the first time in your career of refusing to go into discretion, for whatever the reason, you’ll be offlined from your roster. You’ll then be positioned at company expense to Dublin where you’ll have a one way conversation with management and will be lucky to escape with just the threat of dismissal.
I’ll be honest this does sound, at the very least, a tad implausible
I’ll be honest this does sound, at the very least, a tad implausible
They have a different approach with more mature skippers though… I mean the message that comes across is the same but with slightly more diplomacy.
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I have no doubt someone who files fatigued after 5 days of early starts before 6AM will not be very successful, but where the cases are genuine and can be backed up by an unusually demanding roster (combined with some personal circumstances in one case I know) - the company gave them 2 consecutive blocks off to recover.
So yes, they do spout nonsense about "NASA approved rostering" (and we get a great laugh out of that), but that is not the full story either. Try to play fast and loose with them, you wont go far, be genuine and honest, it gets you very far. With most things in this place.
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Not as implausible as it sounds, if you knew a bit of the Ryanair management culture. There is ample literature of the threatening emails, most of which have made in on this forum, of the HR and flight ops comms to the pilot and cabin crew community.
Fine, you might just get a meeting with your base captain if you have no previous offenses, but they are not very tolerant from the second time around, if you don’t have a VERY solid justification.
Fine, you might just get a meeting with your base captain if you have no previous offenses, but they are not very tolerant from the second time around, if you don’t have a VERY solid justification.
If it's common knowledge and furthermore there seems to be ample written proof of said behavior ?
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