British Airways Direct Entry Pilot

[ItsonlyMeagain]

Quite why this is being discussed here, I’m not sure.

Anyway, an interesting perspective from Plastic787. Because the operating captain can’t make a pragmatic decision (ie his is the wrong one) he is petty, unmalleable (meaning you want to mould him) and can’t be trusted. So, you would get off, of course cancelling the flight you were rostered to do. Hmmm… Best you swap seats then as you appear to think you are the captain! In addition, I’m sure ops would be overjoyed by your rational decision process.

There may be many reasons why he may exercise his right to refuse a request. For example, as a long time trainer, I never took anyone on the flight deck that had no role to play in the training. This was purely for the benefit of the trainee to avoid any pressure or should things not go quite as planned. Despite a couple of complaints to Flt Ops, the answer was always the same; it is for the captain to decide.

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[Plastic787]

Two replies above spoken like individuals who would happily shaft a colleague for no good reason (this was not a training flight) other than to make a point to somebody when the Ops manual clearly allows it.

So you’re basically saying you’d poison your relationship with a colleague and potential future flightdeck partner over a perceived point of principle so you can play the big I am “I’m the captain what I say goes”? Wow. Just wow. I hope to never have to share a flight deck with you.

anyway best take this argument elsewhere as I’m obviously the king (or queen) of thread drift. ATB.

[bylgw]

Sage parting advice on successful command checks ‘“not all ***** are in the lhs”.

seek first to understand, before being understood.

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by Plastic787

Two replies above spoken like individuals who would happily shaft a colleague for no good reason (this was not a training flight) other than to make a point to somebody when the Ops manual clearly allows it.

So you’re basically saying you’d poison your relationship with a colleague and potential future flightdeck partner over a perceived point of principle so you can play the big I am “I’m the captain what I say goes”? Wow. Just wow. I hope to never have to share a flight deck with you.

anyway best take this argument elsewhere as I’m obviously the king (or queen) of thread drift. ATB.

Someone has been blessed with an enormous chip on their shoulder. Hopefully your comments are influenced by keyboard warrior syndrome. Firstly, I would suggest a reread of your initial comment which is somewhat contradictory; you referred to how poor it was of the Captain to POTENTIALLY disrupt the company operation, then you go on to say that you WOULD disrupt the situation to prove your point. I'm sure all here appreciate the importance of teamwork and CRM, but your knowledge appears to have one gigantic gap in it; the buck does stop at the Captain. Sorry to break that news to you but it's a vital piece on knowledge that should not escape any crew member's attention. Frankly you're either a troll or an individual bordering lunacy. Please answer this one question honestly, so that we can grasp some reality out of your outbursts; Would you send an email to management stating how you'd offload yourself from a flight down route in the event that you did not agree with a Captain's decision? And regarding the thread drift, yes this is well off piste but hopefully educational for any potential newbies to the company. They will no doubt draw their own conclusions based on their experiences, training and common sense.

[thetimesreader84]

Originally Posted by Confusious

Please answer this one question honestly, so that we can grasp some reality out of your outbursts; Would you send an email to management stating how you'd offload yourself from a flight down route in the event that you did not agree with a Captain's decision?.

And just to add for clarity, the captains decision you would offload yourself for is s/he not allowing someone on a leisure ticket on the flight deck jumpseat? That's the hill you're prepared to die on?

[Whitemonk Returns]

Any Captain in any airline who would refuse to board a company colleague of any rank, for any reason, is a top class knobhead who shouldn't be in charge of the crew bus let alone a jet. End of.

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns

Any Captain in any airline who would refuse to board a company colleague of any rank, for any reason, is a top class knobhead who shouldn't be in charge of the crew bus let alone a jet. End of.

And that contribution is no more than an unnecessary inarticulate digression, further drifting away from the thread. The issue being discussed is the willingness of a First Officer to risk highly probable disciplinary implications purely to make a stand against a Captain's decision.

[Whitemonk Returns]

Originally Posted by Confusious

And that contribution is no more than an unnecessary inarticulate digression, further drifting away from the thread. The issue being discussed is the willingness of a First Officer to risk highly probable disciplinary implications purely to make a stand against a Captain's decision.

But not incorrect.....

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by Confusious

And that contribution is no more than an unnecessary inarticulate digression, further drifting away from the thread. The issue being discussed is the willingness of a First Officer to risk highly probable disciplinary implications purely to make a stand against a Captain's decision.

The issue is a captain making a decision that is not supported by the company procedures, and the FO rightfully disagreeing. (was trying to find more articulate nonsense, but you would definitely beat me with the syllable count)

[midnight cruiser]

As for the subject title; BA DEP, and prospective applicants looking in - these people are real, they do exist, in BA in numbers greater than any airlines I have encountered, (even round towards the Pacific). It's something to consider. I still shudder when I think back

[122.85]

Originally Posted by midnight cruiser

As for the subject title; BA DEP, and prospective applicants looking in - these people are real, they do exist, in BA in numbers greater than any airlines I have encountered, (even round towards the Pacific). It's something to consider. I still shudder when I think back

I have worked in the Pacific and at BA and that statement is utter rubbish the crews at BA are very relaxed and apart from a very very small minority would bend over backwards to help fellow crew (and other companies staff).

[midnight cruiser]

It's true to say they tend not to suffer fools out East, whereas at BA, they certainly exist!

[marcus1290]

The last few posts on this thread are exactly why BA sounds like a terrible place to work. Superiority Complexes left, right and centre. Don't agree with the Captains decision = offloading yourself? Enjoy that meeting with the DFO.

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by marcus1290

The last few posts on this thread are exactly why BA sounds like a terrible place to work. Superiority Complexes left, right and centre. Don't agree with the Captains decision = offloading yourself? Enjoy that meeting with the DFO.

Indeed, and who remembers when the pursers tried to argue the case that they should be second in charge and First Officers third?

[RARA9]

I’m glad to see it ! Makes me sleep easy at night after jumping from the sinking ship

[sudden twang]

Originally Posted by RARA9

I’m glad to see it ! Makes me sleep easy at night after jumping from the sinking ship

Thinking of green grass RARA9 how is Jet2 ?

[RARA9]

Originally Posted by sudden twang

Thinking of green grass RARA9 how is Jet2 ?

I will speak honestly . It’s VERY well run , the pay is excellent, love being at a regional base and it’s so nice that most are so up beat about everything compared to constant moaning etc…

Bad things definitely a bit of an RAF old boy culture , but that apparently has got better for example the command process is more grown up .

If rumours are true about a few 330neos in the Airbus order, and if they bring in mixed fleet flying then I will be one happy bunny

[RPat01]

Hold Pool

Does anybody know the latest hold pool time after completing the sim check? I see 2 weeks in an earlier post, but is that still realistic considering the training backlog?

[ToCatLady]

And here we go again…..soon to be another thread drift from J2 Pilots telling us how good it is Vs BA.

[Alrosa]

Originally Posted by RPat01

Does anybody know the latest hold pool time after completing the sim check? I see 2 weeks in an earlier post, but is that still realistic considering the training backlog?

I was told about a training backlog and was in the pool for a couple of weeks at the most (earlier this year). I can’t really say anything beyond that.

Things can change very quickly at BA, so keep an open mind and don’t be surprised if they call you from a random mobile number.