Wizzair

[papalovesjumbo]

Originally Posted by 5strypes

What would you say is an average take home pay for a captain? And does it differ wildly with Wizz UK?

I dont know about UK but my base (eastern but in EU), captains are around 8,5 yearly avarage net. Every 1000h PIC hours you get extra 4k on your yearly basic.

Originally Posted by Giuff

Curious.
you make those numbers only selling your rest days and outside EU in some funny eastern base.
Where do you pay taxes and SS btw?
Did you start in Wizzair?
Why would somebody have to go OOB to make more money is still a mistery to me.
Wzz still offer the lowest terms in the business.
I think they know it.

For me I put myself in OOB availability lists of multiple bases to explore the network. « If you want » you can practice some extreem cold weather ops in one base, and hot weather ops in the other.
I was away for 3 days.
regarding lowest in business… I wouldnt say. As I mentioned ryr previously, and also companies like volotea… Again, for somepeople its the umost importance to be homecountry sometimes so much they downgrade from airbus to boeing(in terms of workload), from tr provided to all yours budy, from mostly 2 sectors to 4 sectors every day 5 days in a row, from good salary vs bad (because of cost of living), from crew meal to not even water until recently, etc etc,
Although both choices are right regarding what you need, I respectfully disagree your Lowest terms argument. I would say personally the best improvement im looking for in wizz is the hp usage rules. Rest quite happy

cheers

[enzino]

Well in Italy they're lagging behind the competition by a big margin. And that includes Volotea.
In your base a captain is netting 8,5k. I believe that, it can even be more than 9k on a good month, but in Italy on average a captain takes home 6,5-7k.

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[papalovesjumbo]

Originally Posted by enzino

Well in Italy they're lagging behind the competition by a big margin. And that includes Volotea.
In your base a captain is netting 8,5k. I believe that, it can even be more than 9k on a good month, but in Italy on average a captain takes home 6,5-7k.

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I was conservative to give an lower end number. I had captains telling they didnt get anything less than 10k lately. And others who did OOB he grazed 13k. But 8.5k without giving up personal life or keeping reverse roster etc is an accurate one.
unfortunately Italy has tax issues I hear. Company needs to adjust for that one. I am with you for this one.

[Giuff]

Originally Posted by flightbooking

I fly regularly with colleagues coming from other airlines and according to their stories the above statement is not true.

Of course. Depend on which airlines you refer to.

[kalimera]

Originally Posted by enzino

I see them making posts on LinkedIn sometimes. Maybe try to post your question under their posts.

They held open days in South America, but that part of the world is full of people that have Spanish and Italian heritage and thus have Spanish and Italian passports. Others were recruited for Wizz Air Abu Dhabi.

I tried to reach out and got no response yet. May I also ask if I have the right to live and work in UK only, would I be able to apply? Really appreciate your help enzino

[enzino]

I guess your option is Wizz Air UK.

[CW247]

So this flexible roster....."write your own roster" thing? How does it work? A few people on LinkedIn have accused Wizz Marketing of BS, no response (naturally).

[Chauderon]

Whatever is currently promised by the mafia boss JV may or may not happen. If any improvements do happen, they will be revoked as soon as there is any weakening of the power balance in the pilot market - invariably with an email ending with the magic words; “thank you for your understanding”.

[Jet Set Willie]

Anyone here from the UK open to what they are currently taking home in the winter as a junior captain? I smell BS with the PPJN figures. With a basic of Ł60ish K, you would be looking at Ł120 an hour in extras assuming an 850 year to make Ł156000 So that's a circa Ł500 sector and duty pay for a PMI and back for example. hmmmmm. A bit of clarity would be very welcome for any of us looking to apply. Thanks you

[dirk85]

Originally Posted by Chauderon

Whatever is currently promised by the mafia boss JV may or may not happen. If any improvements do happen, they will be revoked as soon as there is any weakening of the power balance in the pilot market - invariably with an email ending with the magic words; “thank you for your understanding”.

So true. What people don't realize is that all this incentives, commuting options, amazing roster variation are NOT part of your contract and therefore can and will be revoked at anytime, like they did plenty of times in the past.

[Chauderon]

Originally Posted by dirk85

So true. What people don't realize is that all this incentives, commuting options, amazing roster variation are NOT part of your contract and therefore can and will be revoked at anytime, like they did plenty of times in the past.

Even if it is contractual, you may receive an email telling you to respond by the end of the week agreeing to whole-scale changes to your contract or lose your job (“thank you for your understanding”).

You have no protection against this because JV has fired people for joining unions and has publicly said he’ll do it again. EASA is the direct AOC oversight of Wizz Air but is happy for the mafia boss to threaten his staff and tell them to fly fatigued. Instead of admonishing him, EASA invites him to be the keynote speaker of the EASA FAA safety conference; which is ironic as America has banned the airline from flying there on safety grounds.

That’s how it is. If you want the money whilst it’s there, all the best.

https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/videos/602738

[Crewing Gimp]

Wizz UK have 3 different roster patterns for 2024.

fixed 5 on 4 off, (flexible 3 months per year in peak).
flexible, 4 Request days off per month.
Part time 14/14 however wait list as new this year.

[JliderPilot]

Salary on ppjn is accurate if you are not bonded and fly a full / busy year. Expect a reduced basic if you have a bond (approx 5k pa for 4 yrs). After that period if you stay, half of that amount is returned to you as a loyalty payment. At least that was how it used to be.

Mostly bonding is not different from other companies; I hear, (ready to be corrected on this) J2 bond you even if you are type rated. So horses for courses.

Average hours are 750-800. So a bit less than what is on the ppjn. That coupled with a bond deduction will reduce your headline salary. The salary calculation takes some time to get your head around, but is made up of Basic pay, then when you fly you have distance pay (gcd a-b) plus a landing pay. Whether you land or not. A good month is 45-55000 Km in distance.

Some have left to go elsewhere for good reason like local base etc; others maybe hold a grudge so do your research. Not all media outlets quoted on here tell the whole truth.

Wizz is not a perfect job and there are improvements to be made. However, when you look at the big picture, it is not much different from anywhere else. Salary is towards the top end of a LCC.

Something to be said for a company with a low cost base and that is profitable.

[TBSC]

Originally Posted by JliderPilot

...and that is profitable.

1.2 billion loss in the last two fiscal years (642 and 535 million respectively). This year's H1 was reported to be profitable but the second half does not seem to be rosy. 45 aircraft must be grounded because of the engine issues.

[Giuff]

Originally Posted by TBSC

1.2 billion loss in the last two fiscal years (642 and 535 million respectively). This year's H1 was reported to be profitable but the second half does not seem to be rosy. 45 aircraft must be grounded because of the engine issues.

49.
But some say may be up to 60.

[enzino]

But sources say that a comprehensive compensation package has been agreed with PW and they are expecting a big growth in 2025.

Time will tell.

[CW247]

Thanks for clarifying the "write your own roster" thing. Just as I imagined.
Regarding part time,I struggle to understand how 14/14 is anyone's idea of part time. Reality is you will be ruined during those 14 days on physically and mentally and they will extract something like 60 hours of flying out of you when it should be more like 40. True part time is working 2 or 3 days out of 5. Not this nonsense.

[ReallyAnnoyed]

Regarding 14/14, in ezy it means 14 days off/14 day period with 6 days off, but you don’t know what they are until the roster comes out. I.e. 8 working days in every 28 day cycle.

I have no clue if it’s similar in wizz though.

[TBSC]

Originally Posted by Giuff

49.
But some say may be up to 60.

Yeah, well, they say 45 in their financial report. The same report which says all three aircraft stuck in IEV are assumed to be able to return to the fleet before the summer season of 2024 while they admitted that they written off two of those already (engines removed etc) and only expect the third one to be salvaged. If at all.

[JliderPilot]

Wizzair operated around 180 aircraft in 22/23, the fleet will be 220 aircraft in 2024. 2025 will be 280 aircraft. Pax numbers in 2024 expected to be broadly flat compared with 2023 due to the engine issues. So expansion of the fleet is offsetting the PW issue. Compensation scheme with the engine manufacturer has been agreed, and is substantial; so from a profit and loss side of things that will have a relatively small effect. Other airlines (Wizz competitors) are affected due to worldwide shortage materiel and supply issues. These factors are affecting OEMs as well, so the likes of Boeing, Airbus and CFM are constrained. This engine issue has a time lime which is about 12-18 months, not like covid where we don’t know when it would end. So overall not such a grim picture, cash is king and cost control is something Wizz are good at.