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Coronavirus- Rostering and Seating Issues

Old 9th Apr 2020, 15:56
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Coronavirus- Rostering and Seating Issues

Coronavirus has created a new problem for airlines to manage:



It seems to me that there could now be at least 6 groups of passengers and crew sharing the air in the confined space of an aircraft.

It is important to distinguish these Groups when seating passengers and rostering crew.



Group A

Persons who have had Coronavirus and who are no longer infectious.

Group B

Persons who have had Coronavirus asymptomatically without realising they had it and who are no longer infectious.

Group C

Persons who currently have Coronavirus asymptomatically and genuinely do not know it but who could infect the people around them.

Group D

Persons who have not yet had Coronavirus and who could become infected with potentially fatal consequences.

Group E

Persons who think they have had Coronavirus because they suffered from Influenza or a similar condition during the Coronavirus pandemic but do not have Coronavirus. They too could become infected

Group F

Persons who are currently suffering from Coronavirus and suspect they are suffering from it but, for different reasons, do not care about infecting others.



This raises some interesting questions:



For example: Should you roster a Group E captain with a Group C first officer?

One problem is that Group E and F persons will probably declare themselves to be in Group A. Another problem is that Group B persons will think are Group C persons.

How do you seat these different groups of passengers?

Do you allow 2 meter spacing ?

Does it matter if you do not know for certain who is in which group?



No doubt the airlines will have robust and carefully designed plans to manage these issues before they resume their flying programmes.

Discuss.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 17:03
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No doubt the airlines will have robust and carefully designed plans to manage these issues before they resume their flying programmes.][/QUOTE]

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Old 9th Apr 2020, 18:32
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I'm curious to know how you think they could manage these issues? For me it's just quite simply a non starter.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 20:54
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I’d call in Sir Humphrey. He could sort this out for you....probably.

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Old 13th Apr 2020, 10:22
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You are kidding surely? Most airlines cant even get people in the seats they have booked.

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Old 13th Apr 2020, 12:27
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It’s simple, like swine flue etc the majority of the population will get it at some point. You can’t hide from it forever and for the vast majority it is mild. The measures put in place are to increase the time frame over which the population becomes infected. This allows healthcare systems to put measures in place to cope without being overwhelmed. The airflow through my aircraft type ensures the cabin air is completely replaced every three minutes. There is not much we can do other than be strict with hygiene and aircraft cleaning. Is there a case for restricting load factor? Possibly.

I speak as someone who has a family member who has in all probability had Covid 19. It is not a wild guess either as it was my father who until retirement was a doctor his whole working life. I won’t pretend it is nothing and his symptoms would probably be on the mild to moderate side. Swine flu put him in bed for two days. Covid put him in bed for five days and he continued to feel pretty rough for a good 10-12 days. He had muscle pain, fatigue, a dry cough, loss of smell, loss of taste and a temperature of 37.9 for close on a week. The temperature seemed worse later in the day.

Anyway I forget my point but essentially sensible precautions without throwing ourselves into a health disaster or a global depression.

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Ah but you forgot about Group G:

The myriad of individuals that could unknowingly carry the virus that you encounter during a duty such as security staff, dispatchers, engineers and catering staff and frankly, anyone at all that will be within very close proximity to you or has touched something that you later touch yourself. How do we isolate ourselves from those unsuspecting biological villains?

Do you think those filthy trays at security that you put your iPad and liquids in have ever been cleaned, never mind disinfected?
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 15:56
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Doesn’t matter, because there won’t t be any airlines left to have this problem at this rate
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 18:09
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Everyone that doesnít want to risk, what is for 96%, a mild/moderate dose of flu with a 2-3 week recovery time, stay at home and risk redundancy.

Exceptions for those living with vulnerable people, pilots with vulnerable conditions themselves and pilots of latter generations, aged, doddery, whichever politically incorrect label you choose.

The rest of us, like the rest of the healthy, young population need to crack on and prevent economic collapse of our countries. All this flattening the curve nonsense is doing is creating a situation whereby natural immunity is weakened by the length of time this is being drawn out thereby risking re-infection. I donít see any vaccination this side of September at the earliest, which will be rightly reserved for Frontline key workers and the vulnerable.

this, despite media protestations, is not Ebola nor the Black Death. Neither are irresponsible medical predictions of 500,000 deaths which seem to have been forgotten coming true. I donít see a single excel centre bed being used, I think in the wash up, a few doomsaying data modellers are going to have a lot of explaining to do. Some involved are wanting to be scalped by the farming community for having over three times the number of cattle slaughtered than later was determined required to contain foot and mouth.

2.4 Billion a day cost in the U.K.to economic production. That doesnít include the money the government have increased expenditure by to cover social protection.


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Also I think the exit from the lock down will be done in phases with some airports open while others remain closed. The government is talking about having corona virus passports for those who can prove they are immune and can return to work. It's going to be a big problem getting staff who are healthy and qualified/current to return to their work.
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Everyone that doesnít want to risk, what is for 96%, a mild/moderate dose of flu with a 2-3 week recovery time, stay at home and risk redundancy.
Thanks for the advice and the highly detailed scientific explanation. You must be a Nobel prized highly qualified immunologist to be able to make these kind of statements with what is happening in the world right now.
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Originally Posted by sonicbum View Post
Thanks for the advice and the highly detailed scientific explanation. You must be a Nobel prized highly qualified immunologist to be able to make these kind of statements with what is happening in the world right now.
Nope, just personal experience of having it, my family having it, a load of colleagues having it, my neighbour having it and likely, at least 10% of the U.K. population having it.

of whom, 50% didnít even know they had it.

check out the Iceland survey results.
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Nope, just personal experience of having it, my family having it, a load of colleagues having it, my neighbour having it and likely, at least 10% of the U.K. population having it.

of whom, 50% didnít even know they had it.

check out the Iceland survey results.
I assume You, your relatives and your colleagues got tested for antibodies to ensure you actually got the covid and not the seasonal flu ?
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I assume You, your relatives and your colleagues got tested for antibodies to ensure you actually got the covid and not the seasonal flu ?
yep, all paid for privately. Plus, I had the seasonal flu jab, with my wife and kids in December. No point in testing with the kids as we knew we had it and it was all over the house. They had very mild symptoms. Itís all over work and all the colleagues I spoke to have had this years flu jab (which we get free as part of our package).

if you get it, you know as the symptoms are distinct enough from flu. Would describe the severity though as mild/moderate flu. Itís not what it is being made out to be for the vast majority of healthy working people will have no issue with this. A damn sight less than the number transplant patients, cancer patients and other people with life threatening disorders will be killed if this nonsense lockdown continues, for healthy working age people.

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Old 15th Apr 2020, 18:35
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Suggest you watch ITV (UK) report, ď Into the red zoneĒ. Trip into Lombardy and in particular Bergamo hospital.
State of the art hospital, completely overwhelmed. Dedicated highly skilled care workers close to exhaustion, not to mention the time bomb of PTSD. But thatís ok, youíve had it, so itís not so bad. What is it fake news? Jesus itís nutters like you that have contributed to the misery that thousands are experiencing because you know better. Iíve always known that the intelligence spread within the pilot community is spread, I just didnít know it was so thin, or more correctly so dim.....
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I really don't buy into the "it's just a bit of flu" argument but VR has a bit of a point....People very definitely are having treatments for some chronic conditions delayed/postponed because resources are committed to countering CV-19, possibly with life changing results.

BTW Interesting news coming out of France this lunchtime that about 30% of the crew of the Charles de Gaulle have tested positive for CV-19, as I understand it about 20 are in some form of intensive care....The effect of CV-19 on that young healthy population of just under 2000 will no doubt be of interest to the statisticians/epidemiologists..
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Suggest you watch ITV (UK) report, “ Into the red zone”. Trip into Lombardy and in particular Bergamo hospital.
State of the art hospital, completely overwhelmed. Dedicated highly skilled care workers close to exhaustion, not to mention the time bomb of PTSD. But that’s ok, you’ve had it, so it’s not so bad. What is it fake news? Jesus it’s nutters like you that have contributed to the misery that thousands are experiencing because you know better. I’ve always known that the intelligence spread within the pilot community is spread, I just didn’t know it was so thin, or more correctly so dim.....
Most people dying of it (over 98%) are over 70. Many would have bought the farm in winter if we hadn't had an exceptionally effective flu jab this winter season, meaning lots of vulnerable people were left in the population. The figures for the UK over winter were around 8K down on the normal weekly death stats. The CURRENT Uk weekly death stats currently match the worst flu outbreak in the last 10 years and are nowhere near where we were during the 1957 flu pandemic.

Yet instead of dealing with this rationally, we have decided to put the UK into the worst recession in over 300 years. So please, less reading of irrational media reporting, which seems to have gotten you a little bit excited and a little less lecturing about relative intelligence. You may want to have a look at the impact of a 1% GDP fall on poverty and subsequent life expectancy.

And I didn't mention fake news. My perspective is people need to come to terms that around 0.5% of the global population are going to succumb to this, many of whom would have been on the way out anyway in the next 2-3 years, with the chronic medical conditions that have left them vulnerable to NCov. We shouldnt be succumbing to media driven public hysteria and should be looking instead of the relative impact of our decisions. Sweden for example look as if they are past peak infection and instead of hiding behind the sofa at the 5 O'clock news for the next 6 months, will be through this much quicker than most western countries. With probably a similar total mortality count, compressed into a few months.

We also shouldn't be writing off thousands of Cancer patients and transplant list patients because the sexy disorder of the moment is NCov and Government are so scared of their shadow and criticism, they refuse to take difficult decisions. That in itself is a disgrace. Many of these people are of a working age with much life ahead of them, yet they are being written off to save people in the sunset years.
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Most people dying of it (over 98%) are over 70. Many would have bought the farm in winter if we hadn't had an exceptionally effective flu jab this winter season, meaning lots of vulnerable people were left in the population. The figures for the UK over winter were around 8K down on the normal weekly death stats. The CURRENT Uk weekly death stats currently match the worst flu outbreak in the last 10 years and are nowhere near where we were during the 1957 flu pandemic.

Yet instead of dealing with this rationally, we have decided to put the UK into the worst recession in over 300 years. So please, less reading of irrational media reporting, which seems to have gotten you a little bit excited and a little less lecturing about relative intelligence. You may want to have a look at the impact of a 1% GDP fall on poverty and subsequent life expectancy.

And I didn't mention fake news. My perspective is people need to come to terms that around 0.5% of the global population are going to succumb to this, many of whom would have been on the way out anyway in the next 2-3 years, with the chronic medical conditions that have left them vulnerable to NCov. We shouldnt be succumbing to media driven public hysteria and should be looking instead of the relative impact of our decisions. Sweden for example look as if they are past peak infection and instead of hiding behind the sofa at the 5 O'clock news for the next 6 months, will be through this much quicker than most western countries. With probably a similar total mortality count, compressed into a few months.

We also shouldn't be writing off thousands of Cancer patients and transplant list patients because the sexy disorder of the moment is NCov and Government are so scared of their shadow and criticism, they refuse to take difficult decisions. That in itself is a disgrace. Many of these people are of a working age with much life ahead of them, yet they are being written off to save people in the sunset years.
Where do you get your figures from? The weekly death rates published on the news are double of those we'd normally expect at this time of year and they lag the data by a number of days. Given these are the death rates with the lockdown measures in place, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect even higher death rates without any measures? Are you seriously trying to say everything the country has done is unnecessary just because your symptoms were mild?
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Emirates Airlines Tests Passengers For COVID-19 Pre-Flight




https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriew...19-pre-flight/
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What you are describing is a state based on the ethics of barbarism, the ultimate end point of capitalism, market value above life, as doomed to failure as any other extreme system. Again look at Bergamo hospital, a more modern facility you wonít find anywhere in the world outside of purely privately funding establishments. Overwhelmed. Do you think they were able to carry out anything other than caring for dying patients. Triage was being practiced, much as you prescribe, didnít much matter. Coffins being taken out by the military. But hey theyíre in their ď sunshineĒ years. Herd immunity rules....

So, with your new found God authority, what age do you cut of, what criteria do you use, any thing thatís deemed by you as ďsexyĒ? Or maybe now of no further use to society, even after contributing to building the society you now benefit from.

As an example of extremes, thereís you Vin Rouge, and thereís Cpt Tom Moore. 99 years old, raised 14million, but obviously condemned to DNR and useless in the Vin Rouge society of capitalistic judgement. God help us all.,,
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