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Penny Finally Dropping at RYR???

Old 27th Aug 2018, 21:40
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Pilots will treat FR as a serious option when the current organ grinders depart with their vast share options and their millions in the bank. Until then it will remain a revolving door.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 22:23
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Would like to see MOL work for £130k a year, a monkey really could do his job better!
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


A random roster that is published weeks in advance detailing your days off. You can always use your 3 request days off every month, months in advance. You can also have leave in the peak summer, something that I donít believe is possible at FR.
Nonsense. Everything single Captain at the Base I operate from got one weeks leave this summer. Latched on to 4 days off each side thatís 13 days off in a row.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


A random roster that is published weeks in advance detailing your days off. You can always use your 3 request days off every month, months in advance. You can also have leave in the peak summer, something that I don’t believe is possible at FR.

Wrong, it is possible here

I've just finished my 13 days off in August, which was 5 days of leave on a 5/4/5/4 roster. This was in addition to my previous 13 days off in early July. More summer leave this year than ever before with my previous lot!

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Old 28th Aug 2018, 20:02
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Would like to see MOL work for £130k a year, a monkey really could do his job better!
Well he gets paid a lot of peanuts.........................


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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:51
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Plus of course Ryanair guys are flying 900 hours a year, Jet2 do far less.
If you work out an hourly rate Jet2 comes out far better.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 16:32
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Hours are irrelevant, how many days off do RYR get in comparison to Jet2? Sitting at home on standby is a working day, canít make any plans or do anything too far from the house.

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Old 29th Aug 2018, 18:10
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Wrong, it is possible here
humble apologies then. I was merely going off what I had been told by the guys that have jumped ship and joined Jet2 over the last year or so.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 18:55
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That's always going to depend on what exactly you want to do and how far away from work you are. With a 2 hour standby callout there is plenty I do and can do on standby.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 21:46
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definitely not.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:28
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Hours are irrelevant, how many days off do RYR get in comparison to Jet2? Sitting at home on standby is a working day, canít make any plans or do anything too far from the house.

True. But who goes away all the time? There are so many things you can do at home or nearby that donít make it too bad an option. I know one guy who built a house. I prefer to spend it in my underpants.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:46
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What’s a standby ??...... not had one rostered for the last 3 months !!
As for Jet2’s “random” rostering......it’s been pretty much a “fixed” 6 on/ 3 off - 5 on/ 2 off roster for me all summer !!

For me personally, as an “old timer”, I’ve just about had it with this company......and I’m not alone in my thoughts.
The recent memo from our DFO doesn’t install me with any confidence in it getting any better over the next few years either, as we continually expand.
Whoopie Doo......an “extra” 36 pilots are to be recruited for next year above the already inadequate forecasted number needed.
Those poor 36 aren’t even going to touch the sides of the problems we are experiencing from the resulting chaos of the company’s outdated attitude to crewing levels.
Oh, and the best bit, the company are to recruit yet another “Aircrew Manager” to manage us......that’ll be 3 of them doing effectively nothing !!.......surely making it “37” extra pilots would have more of a beneficial result.

You can all have your pissing up the wall competition as to the pros and cons of EXS and RYR but at the end of the day it’s all down to us as individuals and our own selfish needs and wants.
I honestly NEVER envisaged the day that I would EVER even entertain the thought, such is my hatred for what MOL has done to my profession, but this old timer is seriously contemplating jumping to the “Dark Side” !!



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Old 30th Aug 2018, 08:46
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One of the best posts I've read in a a while Bam and it sums up sentiment nicely but lets wait and see what JFP has to say on here as it will be the mgt line unlike the crew room where his gob is usually at 'MCT'.

PM due to always being closely guarded by a mgt 'pilot' doesn't have a clue the mess its all in.

IMO of course.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 09:50
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I don't disagree with anything posted above and the new aircrew manager job is a complete joke, however, I spoke to another 'Jet2 old timer' recently who told me two things which really struck me:

Everything at RYR is worse than at Jet2, except the 5-4 roster
Taking into account his expenses, he flew 800+ hours last year and earned £2000 (before tax) more than a Jet2 737 Captain, on circa 500 hours....
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 09:56
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But how many days OFF did he get compared to a Jet2 captain?
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 10:44
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lets wait and see what JFP has to say on here as it will be the mgt line unlike the crew room where his gob is usually at 'MCT'.
Nice to know what some “colleagues” think from behind their keyboard.

So, Well Used, apart from typing away from behind your cloak, what have you done to try to make a difference?

Some people have me all wrong, I have never said Jet2 is perfect, it isn’t, but I have been around long enough to know that nor is anywhere else. Despite my hatred of FR, they are almost the ideal employer, 5/4 is without doubt a great asset IF you are based at home, if you aren’t it can be a 7/2 roster; they have sorted out their dodgy employment tactics of self employment, and have raised their pay scale. BUT it’s still the same clown running the show, and while he’s there all the good can, and probably will, be undone in a short few weeks when the next down turn arrives. This summer has been a tricky one without a doubt.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


Nice to know what some ďcolleaguesĒ think from behind their keyboard.

So, Well Used, apart from typing away from behind your cloak, what have you done to try to make a difference?

Some people have me all wrong, I have never said Jet2 is perfect, it isnít, but I have been around long enough to know that nor is anywhere else. Despite my hatred of FR, they are almost the ideal employer, 5/4 is without doubt a great asset IF you are based at home, if you arenít it can be a 7/2 roster; they have sorted out their dodgy employment tactics of self employment, and have raised their pay scale. BUT itís still the same clown running the show, and while heís there all the good can, and probably will, be undone in a short few weeks when the next down turn arrives. This summer has been a tricky one without a doubt.
1. FR the ideal employer? Please elaborate...

2. 5/4 a great asset? How? Just as it's great to know your off days, it's equally devastating to know which days you're working when those days happen to fall on important dates in YOUR life, such as kids birthdays, family health issues, important social events etc. Personal experience says there is NO functional flexibility for your benefit unless you're a drinking buddy of someone with influence. And I've seen plenty of guys who knows a guy who'll sort them out, only to be disappointed in the last minute.

3. Sorted out the self employment? Really? Ask some of the 1000s of pilots on self employment if they woke up as employees of ryr Ltd this morning, or expect to do so in the near future. Don't believe the propaganda machine that'll say anything to get enough guys in the front of their a/c.

4. Raised the pay scale? Again, propaganda. There's a productivity bonus added to some pilots' contracts if they increase their productivity above the 900 hours they're already offering to the company. And it's temporary.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:59
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Bloody hell, I can’t do right for doing wrong. I give up.

Jet2 isn’t perfect, in my opinion it is better than FR.

Fixed roster doesn’t suit me despite the fact that I see it as a benefit to those that it does suit.

The new contracts are FR contracts are they not? I am aware of the many who are still on shonky self employed contracts.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 15:01
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JFP, Nah ive not tried to do anything to support the company other than take roster changes to help, changed duties at very short notice, put up with crap car parking (acknowledged its affecting plenty of MAN airlines) worked days off and fallen for the stories of uncrewed flights and a need to help the customer. That however was up until the first of this month where its now a strictly follow the roster line deal as the help is only one way.

Lets also not forget that everyone thats fleeing Jet2 is going to much bigger metal, thats the reason they're going because they want to fly aircraft that are bigger, FACT. So It must be that the TUI, FR and Norwegian -800s must be much bigger than J2s hence why they're leaving for these pastures, bigger metal right??? It is absolutely nothing to do with some of the poorest crewing and rostering practices I've ever come across in 30 odd years, absolutely nothing to do with roster changes, nothing to do with a lack of meaningful staff travel etc etc etc etc etc. Its purely down to the size of the aircraft, another summer done and a caveat from the DFO that it'll be better next year.

Did he pinky swear?

It could be really good but there needs to be an urge to make it better for us from the top, whilst the trophy cabinet gets fuller by the week its the people that have done it and these people including myself are now voting with our feet. FRs training system is creaking until January now and i for one am just waiting for a date to return.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 17:16
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JFP, Nah ive not tried to do anything to support the company other than take roster changes to help, changed duties at very short notice, put up with crap car parking (acknowledged its affecting plenty of MAN airlines) worked days off and fallen for the stories of uncrewed flights and a need to help the customer
we’ve all been affected by all of the things you have mentioned, but I asked what have you done to make a difference? Not how you have worked through this summer season, have you voiced your concerns, have you stuck your neck out? I know I have despite you believing I am on MCT in the crew room.
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