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Penny Finally Dropping at RYR???

Old 27th Aug 2018, 09:27
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Penny Finally Dropping at RYR???

Pal sent this to me over weekend, looks like Penny finally dropping, im not going to print screen everything he sent but basically memo sent out saying all new recruits in UK will now receive salaries below from 1st Sep, perhaps a sign of the model to come and the tide is finally turning.,
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 09:44
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Originally Posted by jonesyinthesky View Post
Pal sent this to me over weekend, looks like Penny finally dropping, im not going to print screen everything he sent but basically memo sent out saying all new recruits in UK will now receive salaries below from 1st Sep, perhaps a sign of the model to come and the tide is finally turning.,

The figures look okay, however, unless there’s a culling of senior management (unlikely while profits remain vast), the culture will not change. IMHO a change of culture is what’s needed for Pilots and Cabin Crew to settle their ’Beef’ and stop leaving in droves. For so many years now, it’s not really been about money, it’s been about fair and transparent basing, annual leave policies and basic dignity and respect for ‘employees’.

It is paradoxical that an airline with a fantastic fixed pattern roster (if you’re in your base of choice) and which is hugely profitable can not retain its staff. It’s so glaringly obvious for everyone except those Clowns in Dublin. Unfortunately, they’re so wealthy and therefore arrogant, they just don’t (need to) care!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 10:05
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The figures look okay, however, unless there’s a culling of senior management (unlikely while profits remain vast), the culture will not change. IMHO a change of culture is what’s needed for Pilots and Cabin Crew to settle their ’Beef’ and stop leaving in droves. For so many years now, it’s not really been about money, it’s been about fair and transparent basing, annual leave policies and basic dignity and respect for ‘employees’.

It is paradoxical that an airline with a fantastic fixed pattern roster (if you’re in your base of choice) and which is hugely profitable can not retain its staff. It’s so glaringly obvious for everyone except those Clowns in Dublin. Unfortunately, they’re so wealthy and therefore arrogant, they just don’t (need to) care!
What he said.

But instead let's just make Joe Public think that all Ryanair pilots want is money, by uploading on Ryanair corporate website payslips only showing the GROSS amount of a Base captain (that also holds the LTC qualification) flying 100h+ while he/she enjoys an industry leading NASA approved roster.


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Old 27th Aug 2018, 10:15
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Very cheeky to include "Expenses Allow." in these tables.
They are comparing the salary to Jet2, who provide HOTAC, taxis, hire cars, uniform, drinks etc. Other expenses are also reimbursed.
If you take the expenses out of the comparison, a RYR FO earns 4.7% less than their J2 counterpart.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 10:40
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….Did you also not notice that the actual increase in total earnings for a Captain was 1%??
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 10:56
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Jet2 have also introduced profit share. Estimated £4500 per annum plus another 3% plus a few grand pay rise in April (estimated). So you can add another £10,500 to the Jet2 column. Plus they pay for everything. Still it’s a push in the right direction for Ryanair.
Also didn’t Ryanair also say that Ryanair Pilots earn 20% more than Jet2 Pilots in an original memo? Guess 12% is a step backwards.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 11:36
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When will the finally learn that clever as they think they are everyone is just as clever as them and sees right through their bullshit.

Sadly, no. Penny hasn't dropped yet
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 11:52
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Happy to see that they finally adjusted the basic salary. Now people can plan with a decent salary. However there's much more to come. Starting by providing free water for example. Also that month off BS should stop. What is it worth to have 10 AL?? Give the people their 25-30 AL and things start to look better. Now add a seniority list and add a couple of days AL for people being in the company for ages. Plus a bidding system for AL based on seniority. The staff shortage will solve itself. I'm sure many people would like to go back to Ryanair.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 12:00
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Happy to see that they finally adjusted the basic salary. Now people can plan with a decent salary. However there's much more to come. Starting by providing free water for example. Also that month off BS should stop. What is it worth to have 10 AL?? Give the people their 25-30 AL and things start to look better. Now add a seniority list and add a couple of days AL for people being in the company for ages. Plus a bidding system for AL based on seniority. The staff shortage will solve itself. I'm sure many people would like to go back to Ryanair.
memo says they want to replace current holiday system in UK with 4 blocks of 5 days plus 8 ad hoc days and base transfers will be based on seniority and base transfer lists published etc
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memo says they want to replace current holiday system in UK with 4 blocks of 5 days plus 8 ad hoc days and base transfers will be based on seniority and base transfer lists published etc
Any info on when this will be implemented? It's good news. I'm happy for you guys!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 12:58
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At least you know where you are with RYR, you haven't got a clue at jet2. RYR is 5/4 Jet2 is a random roster.

But don't worry everything will be fine at Jet2 next year as they've learnt from the mistakes. However a more experienced colleague stated in the crew room this week. 'Ive heard the same message every year for the last 9 years'.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 15:32
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The memo that went with those figures was of the usual bullying variety, BALPA reps not rolling over and doing what RYR want so they try to go direct to the crews and cut the BALPA team out, they have a long way to go before the penny drops!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 16:20
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......................However a more experienced colleague stated in the crew room this week. 'Ive heard the same message every year for the last 9 years'.
But he is still there after 9 years which speaks volumes.

Have Ryanair changed? A bit.
Will they change more? If they need to.
The only reason airlines change the Ts & Cs is when they lose too many crew, market economy at the moment.

As the £ heads for parity with €, watch the number of guys opting for jobs that pay in €s
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Well Used View Post
At least you know where you are with RYR, you haven't got a clue at jet2. RYR is 5/4 Jet2 is a random roster.

But don't worry everything will be fine at Jet2 next year as they've learnt from the mistakes. However a more experienced colleague stated in the crew room this week. 'Ive heard the same message every year for the last 9 years'.
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Pray tell what mistakes? Jet 2 have always had a random roster
If you colleagues of 9 years doesn't like it....
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 17:53
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Since when was salary the issue with RYR ?
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 18:57
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Since you cannot avoid paying taxes
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 19:24
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At least you know where you are with RYR, you haven't got a clue at jet2. RYR is 5/4 Jet2 is a random roster.
A random roster that is published weeks in advance detailing your days off. You can always use your 3 request days off every month, months in advance. You can also have leave in the peak summer, something that I don’t believe is possible at FR.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 20:12
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Since you cannot avoid paying taxes
Tongue in cheek I guess.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 20:54
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Do TREs have a different calendar JFP?
Yes we do.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 21:06
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Yes we do.

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