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Old 9th Jan 2018, 23:13   #61 (permalink)
 
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And, as I observed the leftovers of a Primera annotated lunch, they appear to be feeding you while at the sim facility! Posh bikkies too.
You'll need all the carbs you can get to do the roster patterns suggested above.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 05:43   #62 (permalink)


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Old 13th Jan 2018, 01:23   #63 (permalink)
 
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At what point does a regulator step in and put an end to this downward spiral. The proposed roster sets a dangerous precedent as other airlines will surely try and follow.
“Once you get past 16 hours of being awake, that’s when we start to see mental deterioration and physiological deterioration in the body,” Walker says.

“We know that after you’ve been awake for 19 or 20 hours, your mental capacity is so impaired that you would be as deficient as someone who was legally drunk behind the wheel of a car.

“Wakefulness essentially is low-level brain damage.”

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Old 14th Jan 2018, 11:21   #64 (permalink)
 
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At what point does a regulator step in and put an end to this downward spiral.
Never, unless there is a smoking hole in the ground or the political pressure becomes strong enough. As most politicians are in the hands of major corporations and investors the “political pressure” option is not gonna happen. That leaves smoking hole in the ground as only possible turning point. Thinking anything else would be very naive.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 11:23   #65 (permalink)
 
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Agreed....and when the smoking hole comes who do you think will get the blame....
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 11:46   #66 (permalink)
 
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Of course, the crew is responsible for managing their rest and the roster that’s been produced within the legal framework of current FTLs.

No one said it was going to be fair.

The question is, do you want to put yourself in a situations where it may be “impossible” to manage rest and where you could regularly find yourself walking the line? Having said that, we still don’t know exactly how the rosters will end up looking. So for those who are seeing this as a possible future job it’s perhaps best to wait a bit and see how things unfold? There’s quite a big competition out there for experienced crew at the moment so it will be interesting to see where the balance for attracting enough crew will be.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 12:00   #67 (permalink)
 
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Gentlemen of the department of judges, juries and executioners....do calm down!

This is a very new thing, not just for Primera but the industry as a whole. The challenges are immense given the aircraft type, the route structure and all the constraints that come with it. It will take a while for things to be worked out and settle down but this is the case with everything that's new.

Just think about it. It’s completely impossible for this operation to succeed if the health and well-being of the people tasked with carrying it out is compromised. In the current recruitment climate where there are 2 jobs for every experienced pilot, it’s illogical to suggest otherwise. Primera will need a very large number of pilots over the coming year and the DFO knows this will not happen unless the conditions are right (he's own words whilst regretting some of the employment practices of the past in Denmark and Iceland).

Right now, so much is still to be determined. The flight departure times are constrained by slots. The W-patterns are because of the fact that the route network seeks to be diverse yet is constrained by aircraft availability and crew numbers.

What I can tell you is that everyone on this first course has the choice to go and find alternative employment. Indeed most of us have other offers but we see something here that has the potential to be big. I have joined a very excellent team of professionals and fine gentlemen (mostly Brits and French). All the pilots to join so far are either trainers, examiners, experienced captains or FOs. I don't think there's anyone on the course with less than 10 years flying experience. The training has so far been exemplary. Yes, the Dane’s do things differently and there are cultural challenges given it's a Icelandic company with a Danish AOC and a Latvian OCC, but once you see past this you discover a sincere passion to succeed and do right.

Let’s give it a chance before we judge anything.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 15:22   #68 (permalink)
 
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Couldn’t agree more! Give them a chance instead of sitting in judgement, after all they are just like the rest of us who want to fly safely and come home to our families!

Also heard through the grapevine that new joiners have so far been quite impressed with the training and set up. As I’m sure they know, big challenges lie ahead! Good luck to ‘em!
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 16:54   #69 (permalink)
 
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where has this trend come from that we now send convoys of bucket and spade type design cram them in small jets on basically ultra long short haul flights?

beggars belief that joe public after 40 years of Jumbos and big planes we all suddenly seem so bloody happy to get on something that normally takes us to sunny spain

i don't get the retrograde market forces
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:03   #70 (permalink)
 
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757s been doing it for years!
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:20   #71 (permalink)
 
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yes i know - i was with MON/OM for years - and also dealt with AE 757 long haul ops

757 was a different beast performance and power wise -

still stopped at BGR and BAH though for a nice night stop and got a week in the Maldives lol
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:25   #72 (permalink)
 
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Do you have technical expertise to state categorically that the new A321neo and specifically the LR version will be “that” much different to a stock 757??
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 19:45   #73 (permalink)
 
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The 321neo LR will have 4000 nm range, MTOW increased to 97 tons and cabin configurations for up to 240 passengers.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 23:10   #74 (permalink)
 
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Yes but it will never carry 240 pax anywhere near that distance.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 04:04   #75 (permalink)
 
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Will Primera receive the LR version initially or regular 321 NEO?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 07:36   #76 (permalink)
 
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NEO first as far as I understand. The LR will launch with Air Transat in 2019 I think.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 07:42   #77 (permalink)
 
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Yes but it will never carry 240 pax anywhere near that distance.
Well I think the problem will actually be (?) luggage space for 240 pax, not fuel / range, at least not for companies wanting to fly London/Paris etc to US east coast.

Don’t forget, when comparing to the 757, the 321LR will do the same range as the 757 but with about 30% less fuel and they have similar MTOW. Less fuel - less weight - more payload.

Having said that I have not looked in to any official airbus graphs for exact range @ specific weights so I don’t know for sure what max range will be at MTOW.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 07:50   #78 (permalink)
 
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CDG-YYZ is about 3300N and is the longest route as far as I know.
With head wind (25kt), it will be around 3500 NAM which is the max range claimed by airbus on the neo.

So I guess that the max payload (200pax on their neo and max payload below 20t) might be possible almost every time except on partilar days on this route.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 13:21   #79 (permalink)
 
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There is a pay-your-money-and -take-your-choice element here.

I do grow tired of well intentioned threads, that are savaged attack any operator other than the 'established' ones.

Yes - lifestyle and money is VERY important, but people do need jobs, and I personally welcome competition and variety in the market.

Surely it is good to have more than just 'BA, Ryanair and EZY' as employers??

Give them a chance!

It's not like the other three are anything like perfect to work for, is it?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 13:41   #80 (permalink)
 
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iirc my memory serves me that the MTOW for a 757-200 etops was 115 tonnes

i think someone here mentions that the 321neoLR is about 97 tonnes with 3 LR tanks fitted - which will no doubt reduce baggage space

still dont think you can pitch a stretched and multi mega tweaked A320/321 with a 757 any day of the week
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