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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 02:41
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Originally Posted by Raski View Post
thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality.
XFW is full of stored neo gliders for no reason then.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 06:18
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Originally Posted by Raski View Post


thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality.
I think you are the only one to have not heard about it...
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 06:25
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Originally Posted by HundredPercentPlease View Post
I think you are the only one to have not heard about it...
I thought the delays are for those with the P&W engine, not the LEAP
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 07:41
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Probably related to newest acfts.
my former outfit had all acfts delivered in time.
i normally tend to read only airbus official memos not the press.

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Old 29th Jul 2018, 12:22
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Primera A321neo LR

Originally Posted by Lolo75020 View Post
According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available.
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.

The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?

Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query



Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 13:19
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Is there a base in CDG ? Local contracts? (T&C?)
How many trips/months?
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 18:10
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Originally Posted by future G-V driver View Post
Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.

Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.





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Old 29th Jul 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Lolo75020 View Post
Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.

Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.
Max9 - typical 2 class seating 178-193, 6570 km range

321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range

321neo LR - 7400 km range.

In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9.

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Old 30th Jul 2018, 10:40
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp View Post


Max9 - typical 2 class seating 178-193, 6570 km range

321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range

321neo LR - 7400 km range.

In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9.

CP

Well the b737 is 5 tons lighter and can carry up to 500kg of fuel more.
So even if the Boeing is less efficient than the airbus, I believe that Primera could adjust the max payload in order to match the destination on their network.
For instance they could configurate the cabin at 189 pax so 9 less than the airbus in order to be 100% flexible with the rest of the fleet and be able to reach Toronto from Paris.

For 189 pax, payload is around 17t.
If oew is about 48t then the boeing 737 can carry 23,3 t of fuel which is exactly the fuel quantity of the A321 neo. As it is 5 tons ligher, the boeing will finally makes the same distance up to 4% less efficiency compared to the 321 neo.

​​​​​So no the b737 Max 9 will not be able to match the airbus with the 198 pax. But most probably yes it will be able to reach the same range if payload is adapted. And probably this pay load will be for 189 pax. Thus it will meet the capacity of the rest of the fleet (b737-800) and the aircraft will be able to be used on the long or middle haul with no change in the booking systems.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 17:47
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More cancellations and ending operations from Birmingham completely, for now anyway.

https://www-coventrytelegraph-net.cd...d-14972951.amp

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Old 31st Jul 2018, 19:36
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With the cancellation of the short haul operation from BHX and STN, A321 crews are doing only long haul in a W pattern out of STN?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 07:12
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How the heck do they expect this to work during the winter season? Just about every take off will be with a lump in the stomach. Or are they planning on fuel stop along the way?


07 August, 2018
SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
BY: David Kaminski-Morrow
London


Scandinavian carrier Primera Air’s first Airbus A321neo has been involved in a fuel emergency incident following a transatlantic service to Toronto.

The aircraft had been operating flight PF45 from London Stansted on 24 July.

Transportation Safety Board of Canada states in a bulletin that, during the descent, the crew “declared a fuel emergency” and was given priority for a runway 23 approach.
Shortly before 21:00, as the aircraft descended through 8,000ft, the crew was asked by approach controllers as to the quantity of fuel on board.

The crew replied that the jet had 2.3t and would have 2.1t on arrival, and also confirmed 204 occupants on board the flight, with no dangerous cargo.

Controllers cleared the aircraft for an ILS approach to runway 23 and TSB states that the aircraft landed without incident at 21:10.

Primera Air took delivery of the CFM International Leap-1A-powerd aircraft (OY-PAA), its first A321neo, in April this year, part of a strategy by the operator to open new transatlantic routes from the UK and France.

It disclosed last year that it would operate from London, Paris and Birmingham to New York and Boston with its A321neo fleet, and subsequently stated that it would include Toronto in the new transatlantic network.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 07:45
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Hmm, would be interesting to hear what they actually said.

2,1 is FRSV plus 20 minutes.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:06
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I would expect that 2.1 included diversion fuel intact. FR fuel from experience hovering around 1.1/1.2. Under normal circumstances Hamilton is the alternate. Toronto has 5 runways so weather not being a factor nothing to stop you committing and using your alternate fuel. Until the LR arrives, I expect there will be planned tech stops over the winter months on some of the longest flights.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:15
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So Toronto (CYYZ) has 10 (!) independent ILS approaches, ie 5 runways with instrument approaches to both ends. I have not flown the 321, old or neo, but Iím pretty certain final reserve is less than 2.100 kg. With weather being ok, all other runways open / availabe in case of one closing down, I donít see why they declared an emergency at all to be honest.

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Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:17
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KyleRB exactly. (Was writing as you posted)
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 10:54
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With that kind of fuel no way that is a "mayday fuel", at best a "minimum fuel" situation, but considering the destination, as already said, I see no problem in being committed, assuming good weather clearly.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 14:13
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Originally Posted by Lolo75020 View Post
Well the b737 is 5 tons lighter and can carry up to 500kg of fuel more.
So even if the Boeing is less efficient than the airbus, I believe that Primera could adjust the max payload in order to match the destination on their network.
For instance they could configurate the cabin at 189 pax so 9 less than the airbus in order to be 100% flexible with the rest of the fleet and be able to reach Toronto from Paris.

For 189 pax, payload is around 17t.
If oew is about 48t then the boeing 737 can carry 23,3 t of fuel which is exactly the fuel quantity of the A321 neo. As it is 5 tons ligher, the boeing will finally makes the same distance up to 4% less efficiency compared to the 321 neo.

​​​​​So no the b737 Max 9 will not be able to match the airbus with the 198 pax. But most probably yes it will be able to reach the same range if payload is adapted. And probably this pay load will be for 189 pax. Thus it will meet the capacity of the rest of the fleet (b737-800) and the aircraft will be able to be used on the long or middle haul with no change in the booking systems.
23.3Tons of fuel, are you sure about that figure....
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 15:47
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Originally Posted by aless85 View Post
23.3Tons of fuel, are you sure about that figure....
Well 23500 at the gate for the neo and 23800 for the 737.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 05:01
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The thing here is, that it is way more fuel than the 737MAX can take.
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