Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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The company's more friendly approach to negotiations appears to have coincided with the return of Peter Bellew, late last year. The new chief operating officer was a stalwart of Ryanair, working with the carrier from 2006 to 2015, at which point he left to join Malaysia Airlines.
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I have heard there will be a re-vote for the STN based pilots.
Apparently RYR have attached a 'no further pay negotiation' clause in the acceptance deal which was unknown/not stated to the ERC before this last vote.
Now imho that is very underhand indeed.
A very good demonstration of how they cannot be trusted.
Apparently RYR have attached a 'no further pay negotiation' clause in the acceptance deal which was unknown/not stated to the ERC before this last vote.
Now imho that is very underhand indeed.
A very good demonstration of how they cannot be trusted.
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33%?
No Sir it is not 33% . I am skipper in ryr and my increase would have been 8% . 33% is if you suddenly become new deal TRE from line Cpt in old deal . Usual Ryanair fake news. Balpa said it’s ok to vote because we cannot yet represent you so of course the folks run to company for the pay raise . Like that was the only issue .... but I in no way think this is over . Oh no. Germany Italy and Spain very much on war footing . Ireland is dublin , strong!
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Strange Daminik. You must be the odd one out. Remember we're talking about UK.
Because most line skipper basic salary plus productivity pay goes from £63k to £86k. Sector pay and expenses unchanged. Pension up.
BTW Balpa didn't say that. They are in active negotiations. Perhaps you aren't a Balpa member?
Because most line skipper basic salary plus productivity pay goes from £63k to £86k. Sector pay and expenses unchanged. Pension up.
BTW Balpa didn't say that. They are in active negotiations. Perhaps you aren't a Balpa member?
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He’s not the odd one out, you’re just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.
Here’s what I make as a UK captain before any ‘deal’
£62k basic, £6 expenses, £32k sector pay based on 900 hrs (I flew 890 last year) & £6k pension.
That’s £106k roughly speaking and you get NOTHING else on top.
Only in RYR do they need to include £6k expenses and pension figures to get the Captain ‘salary’ over £100k. Expenses isn’t salary- it’s money I spend on my uniform, LOL medicals and Food/drink when I work (I spend £400 a year on bottled water!). That is what other proper airlines give you for free. So £106k is actually £100k.
The new deal has a £10k addition to the basic salary and quite frankly that’s it. Yes there’s a new productivity bonus of £12k, but unlike in EasyJet’s where you get the same simply by being loyal and still being at the company, in RYR you need to work days off to get this additional bonus. Again it’s not too many days off for £12k, but the point is let’s compare like for like. Ones called Loyalty one Productivity.
Finally the pension is now £8k not £6?! Big whop- it’s finally that of what EasyJet pay.
In Ryanair’s eyes that’s a total of 10+12+2 £24k more per year - £106 + 24 equals the £130k we all keep hearing.
Let’s minus pension, bonus and expenses off this this number so we can compare properly. When we do this it becomes £106 -6 -6 = £94k (my current deal) plus £10k for new deal is £104k.
When I join Easy, the BASIC is £105k. Let’s just sit and think on that for a second.
That figure also doesn’t include pension contributions from company, loyalty bonus, personal bonus, all the Lol/uniform/Medical/car park/food/water etc benefits the £6k pays you to sort yourself.
It also doesn’t include SECTOR PAY.
I said no to the new deal twice now even though I’m leaving. Best of luck.
Here’s what I make as a UK captain before any ‘deal’
£62k basic, £6 expenses, £32k sector pay based on 900 hrs (I flew 890 last year) & £6k pension.
That’s £106k roughly speaking and you get NOTHING else on top.
Only in RYR do they need to include £6k expenses and pension figures to get the Captain ‘salary’ over £100k. Expenses isn’t salary- it’s money I spend on my uniform, LOL medicals and Food/drink when I work (I spend £400 a year on bottled water!). That is what other proper airlines give you for free. So £106k is actually £100k.
The new deal has a £10k addition to the basic salary and quite frankly that’s it. Yes there’s a new productivity bonus of £12k, but unlike in EasyJet’s where you get the same simply by being loyal and still being at the company, in RYR you need to work days off to get this additional bonus. Again it’s not too many days off for £12k, but the point is let’s compare like for like. Ones called Loyalty one Productivity.
Finally the pension is now £8k not £6?! Big whop- it’s finally that of what EasyJet pay.
In Ryanair’s eyes that’s a total of 10+12+2 £24k more per year - £106 + 24 equals the £130k we all keep hearing.
Let’s minus pension, bonus and expenses off this this number so we can compare properly. When we do this it becomes £106 -6 -6 = £94k (my current deal) plus £10k for new deal is £104k.
When I join Easy, the BASIC is £105k. Let’s just sit and think on that for a second.
That figure also doesn’t include pension contributions from company, loyalty bonus, personal bonus, all the Lol/uniform/Medical/car park/food/water etc benefits the £6k pays you to sort yourself.
It also doesn’t include SECTOR PAY.
I said no to the new deal twice now even though I’m leaving. Best of luck.
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Came across one FO recently, he’d calculated what his salary would be after all the necessary deductions and the result was that he made 1700€/month net.
What a great company to work for.
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Comments above re the Loyalty bonus at easy are all correct, I didn’t mention it’s immediate however, just that once you’ve been there over 2 years you start getting it (at the certain %) without having to work extra.
Regarding bottled water. I buy it from the terminal each day. It’s cheaper than buying it on board as we don’t get anything on board for free, other than than the use of the toilet (I lol’d as I typed that!)
RYR has water fountains in each crewroom, but where that water comes from in anyone’s guess.
It is what it is- make of it what you will. Most of what I’ve said in last two posts on this thread are just facts.
Regarding bottled water. I buy it from the terminal each day. It’s cheaper than buying it on board as we don’t get anything on board for free, other than than the use of the toilet (I lol’d as I typed that!)
RYR has water fountains in each crewroom, but where that water comes from in anyone’s guess.
It is what it is- make of it what you will. Most of what I’ve said in last two posts on this thread are just facts.
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The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.
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Instead of being offensive, perhaps you could explain why you say that?
This is the problem with PPRuNe. Because of anonymity, people feel free to aggressively attack anybody who speaks up. Yet, when you speak directly to people in the crewroom or flightdeck, everyone seems to broadly agree.
As I have said, the figures I mentioned are 100% correct for a line Captain. I make no comment on the company generally or its pay structures. I'm simply giving information on the new 'deal' because someone asked.
This is the problem with PPRuNe. Because of anonymity, people feel free to aggressively attack anybody who speaks up. Yet, when you speak directly to people in the crewroom or flightdeck, everyone seems to broadly agree.
As I have said, the figures I mentioned are 100% correct for a line Captain. I make no comment on the company generally or its pay structures. I'm simply giving information on the new 'deal' because someone asked.
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I was under the impression that most of us not nearing retirement wanted to have a negotiating agreement in place before considering a new deal...how does your so called 'basic salary' fair when your sick or need to take paternity leave?
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Medical £150 minimum
Uniform £50 minimum to replace old shirts and trousers
ID say £20 a year towards it and a new CRB
X4 nights hotel for sim recurrent £260
Car Park £75 a month I think it was
LOL think that was £80ish a month
Then of course water because no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain that had a green furry seal.
Food was my choice as I preferred M&S ready meals over left over home cooked or dodgy loco airline food even if it was free (which it’s not)
No way you realistically only spend £500 a year of the expenses only on expenses unless you walk to work.
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This was reported to Ryanair already in 2012 (shortly before I left). So this is actually still an issue?
