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Ryanair Cancelling flights!

Old 19th Jan 2018, 20:36
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The company's more friendly approach to negotiations appears to have coincided with the return of Peter Bellew, late last year. The new chief operating officer was a stalwart of Ryanair, working with the carrier from 2006 to 2015, at which point he left to join Malaysia Airlines.
Ryanair agrees 20pc pay rise for UK pilots in bid to ease tensions
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 07:12
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I have heard there will be a re-vote for the STN based pilots.
Apparently RYR have attached a 'no further pay negotiation' clause in the acceptance deal which was unknown/not stated to the ERC before this last vote.
Now imho that is very underhand indeed.
A very good demonstration of how they cannot be trusted.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 09:02
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Is that a 20% rise in salary or income?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 07:31
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For left seat it's 33% salary increase, overall 22% income increase.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 08:15
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33%?

No Sir it is not 33% . I am skipper in ryr and my increase would have been 8% . 33% is if you suddenly become new deal TRE from line Cpt in old deal . Usual Ryanair fake news. Balpa said itís ok to vote because we cannot yet represent you so of course the folks run to company for the pay raise . Like that was the only issue .... but I in no way think this is over . Oh no. Germany Italy and Spain very much on war footing . Ireland is dublin , strong!
Keep listening .
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 10:47
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Strange Daminik. You must be the odd one out. Remember we're talking about UK.

Because most line skipper basic salary plus productivity pay goes from £63k to £86k. Sector pay and expenses unchanged. Pension up.

BTW Balpa didn't say that. They are in active negotiations. Perhaps you aren't a Balpa member?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 12:50
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Heís not the odd one out, youíre just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.

Hereís what I make as a UK captain before any Ďdealí

£62k basic, £6 expenses, £32k sector pay based on 900 hrs (I flew 890 last year) & £6k pension.

Thatís £106k roughly speaking and you get NOTHING else on top.

Only in RYR do they need to include £6k expenses and pension figures to get the Captain Ďsalaryí over £100k. Expenses isnít salary- itís money I spend on my uniform, LOL medicals and Food/drink when I work (I spend £400 a year on bottled water!). That is what other proper airlines give you for free. So £106k is actually £100k.

The new deal has a £10k addition to the basic salary and quite frankly thatís it. Yes thereís a new productivity bonus of £12k, but unlike in EasyJetís where you get the same simply by being loyal and still being at the company, in RYR you need to work days off to get this additional bonus. Again itís not too many days off for £12k, but the point is letís compare like for like. Ones called Loyalty one Productivity.

Finally the pension is now £8k not £6?! Big whop- itís finally that of what EasyJet pay.

In Ryanairís eyes thatís a total of 10+12+2 £24k more per year - £106 + 24 equals the £130k we all keep hearing.

Letís minus pension, bonus and expenses off this this number so we can compare properly. When we do this it becomes £106 -6 -6 = £94k (my current deal) plus £10k for new deal is £104k.

When I join Easy, the BASIC is £105k. Letís just sit and think on that for a second.

That figure also doesnít include pension contributions from company, loyalty bonus, personal bonus, all the Lol/uniform/Medical/car park/food/water etc benefits the £6k pays you to sort yourself.

It also doesnít include SECTOR PAY.

I said no to the new deal twice now even though Iím leaving. Best of luck.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 15:06
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Originally Posted by VJW
Heís not the odd one out, youíre just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.
Spot on. Thatís the weird mentality that has creeped in peopleís heads during all these years in FR. Expenses, pension, ďloyalty bonusĒ etc. are NOT part of the salary. Yet this ďindustry leadingĒ company claims that they will be paying as such

Came across one FO recently, heíd calculated what his salary would be after all the necessary deductions and the result was that he made 1700Ä/month net.

What a great company to work for.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 15:17
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Bottled water. Do RYR charge you? And is it the on board inflated price?

I am shocked.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 15:30
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I do believe you have to be in ezy for 10 years to get the highest loyalty bonus?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 16:03
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Comments above re the Loyalty bonus at easy are all correct, I didnít mention itís immediate however, just that once youíve been there over 2 years you start getting it (at the certain %) without having to work extra.

Regarding bottled water. I buy it from the terminal each day. Itís cheaper than buying it on board as we donít get anything on board for free, other than than the use of the toilet (I lolíd as I typed that!)

RYR has water fountains in each crewroom, but where that water comes from in anyoneís guess.

It is what it is- make of it what you will. Most of what Iíve said in last two posts on this thread are just facts.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 17:07
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The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 22:35
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Originally Posted by CaptainSensible
The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.
It is ongoing.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 22:52
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Depone, are you the deluded, LTC in STN who has lost all creditibility in recent months?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 09:19
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Instead of being offensive, perhaps you could explain why you say that?

This is the problem with PPRuNe. Because of anonymity, people feel free to aggressively attack anybody who speaks up. Yet, when you speak directly to people in the crewroom or flightdeck, everyone seems to broadly agree.

As I have said, the figures I mentioned are 100% correct for a line Captain. I make no comment on the company generally or its pay structures. I'm simply giving information on the new 'deal' because someone asked.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:29
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Except that you add the pension contribution from the company into your pay. Nobody else does this as it is not custom and practice any where. Except for Ryanair.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:35
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I was under the impression that most of us not nearing retirement wanted to have a negotiating agreement in place before considering a new deal...how does your so called 'basic salary' fair when your sick or need to take paternity leave?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 07:38
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Originally Posted by Depone
I might spend £500 a year on actual expenses, so frankly I regard my £6k as a part of my salary. .
How? I used to spend a lot more that that.

Medical £150 minimum
Uniform £50 minimum to replace old shirts and trousers
ID say £20 a year towards it and a new CRB
X4 nights hotel for sim recurrent £260
Car Park £75 a month I think it was
LOL think that was £80ish a month
Then of course water because no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain that had a green furry seal.
Food was my choice as I preferred M&S ready meals over left over home cooked or dodgy loco airline food even if it was free (which itís not)

No way you realistically only spend £500 a year of the expenses only on expenses unless you walk to work.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 10:40
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Originally Posted by zerotohero
no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain.
And in fact, those pink stains you see on the tip of the water fountain is actually stains of a bacteria called "serratia marcescens", not lipstick. Google it!

This was reported to Ryanair already in 2012 (shortly before I left). So this is actually still an issue?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 11:49
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Bloody hell! just when you thought Ryanair couldn't get any worse.

On the plus side....MOL is a billionaire.
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