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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 11:49
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Hi, I've been in Asia and ME flying narrowbodies, now flying in Europe with no overnight flying, do you have and idea of fatigue levels flying narrowbodies in Asia and the Middle East with up to 3 consecutive nights in a 6-7 day period? I'm not saying fatigue is not an issue in FR but please I totally disagree with your statement. Regulators around the world should change this, airlines are just taking advantage of what regulators allow them to do. Our fight should not be with our employers but regulators instead.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 22:12
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Dear maggot738, many thanks for the explanation. May you shed some light for OCC course for rated joining captains. I have a joining date on the 8th of January and I was surprised that I have to pay for my accommodation at EMA, uniforms and transportation etc...
is this the normal style here?
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 22:37
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Well, I joined as a DEC. Wish I had never entertained the idea in the first place. I agree with earlier posts, the training is not good at all. The trainers that I have experienced do not know the Boeing manuals, but are experts in Ryanair SOPs etc. In fact, Ryanair training guides apparently take precedence over the QRH. Most DECs that I joined with have either left, leaving or applying for other jobs..... all within 12 months of starting.... the proof is in the pudding as they say.
So shall I turn the other way and run? I was bombarded with emails and applications that I have to fill today in order to join in 2 weeks. I started stressing even before joining. daaamn
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 22:39
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I am really disappointed as I thought that I landed a table and secure job, finally. It seems am going to return to doing summer contracts... sh@$
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 00:05
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Anyone joining Ryanair also needs to consider that they are joining a company where they actually have a position called ‘chief people officer’ (and think that’s normal) and in that position a person whom I would say would be as far removed from that title as it could possibly get. As long as that individual is even in the company you’d be mad to join or stay. I see he’s changing spots quick style in the media yesterday, which is true to form as he’s no doubt aware that there’s regime change in the air...
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 06:28
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FR is short of pilots, and will do anything to get them - hence your being bombarded with emails and application forms - especially if they are 'qualified' to FR requirements so they don't have to spend money on conversion courses or getting you to toe the company line.

Summer contracts might be heaven in comparison to the 'esprit de corps' (or lack of it) currently in FR.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 11:47
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feeso...are you for real?

Are you not getting the signing on bonus for being type rated?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:36
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Anybody still considering joining this outfit should have their medical revoked as they're clearly not mentally secure. How much negative coverage do they need before people realise that Ryanair is not a good place to work, desperate or otherwise. I'd sooner be unemployed than return to these vile bottom feeders.

Just my opinion of course.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:45
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RHINO... THEY SAID IT SHOULD COME WITH THE 1ST MONTHS SALARY... do you have any good news to shed about the fear we have been talking about?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:50
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I thought the bonus is for me to enjoy and not to spend on accommodation while training for them... Am I right? does anyone know how much a Captain NETS monthly if a STN base? please so answers .. according to my calculation, it is between 5500 and 6000 Euros...thank you in advance
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 20:10
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£119k for Captains assuming you do 700 hours. However you will do more than that.

Just under £6k net roughly.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 14:13
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The net was £5500-£6000 before the cancellation crisis. Surely this should be higher now with the new pay offers?
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 14:49
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“Anybody still considering joining this outfit should have their medical revoked as they're clearly not mentally secure.”


How very harsh.........I have recently been made redundant after over 19 years service with Spotty M, and as far as I can see the only outfit offering jobs at my current base are RYR. I have a family, kids at my local school, yes I could have tried to follow some of my ex colleagues to Heathrow, Keflavik, Budapest, Gatwick, Vietnam, Doha, etc, etc.

But called me old fashioned, I quite enjoy seeing my kids grow up, so I elected to stay at my home base, instead of opting to commute to southern England or further afield.

There are several of us who have joined, we started over a month ago, we’ve come here with our eyes open, but so far it’s been fine (and yes the joining bonus is paid in month 1!)

We all have different priorities in our personal lives, mine happens to be my home life with my kids, and we therefore make different choices along the way. I would certainly not criticise another professional for taking a path that differs from mine.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 17:19
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Stansted net salary for Capts since the new deal is about £5000 plus average £1600 sector pay - so around £6600 net per month.

Not too bad for about 17 days work a month and a 5/4 roster.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 18:13
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Thank you for the info. guys. really much appreciated. Isn't it a bit on the low side specially living in London? i am not being iffy. i am just inquiring as I was living in Asia for the past 7 years and I forgot how its like back in Europe.
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 07:28
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Originally Posted by skyflyer737
Stansted net salary for Capts since the new deal is about £5000 plus average £1600 sector pay - so around £6600 net per month.

Not too bad for about 17 days work a month and a 5/4 roster.
-Is this as a ‘contract pilot’ or a Ryanair employee?
- what is the company pension contribution?
- do you get LoL?
- private medical insurance?
- Private Health Insurance?
- free uniforms?
- company pay for Aircrew Medical?
- share save schemes?
- etc

If you add all these up and then take it away from the net figure quoted, I think you will find that Ryanair’s total remuneration is woefully low - in comparison to other comparable airlines.
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 11:03
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Originally Posted by feeso
Thank you for the info. guys. really much appreciated. Isn't it a bit on the low side specially living in London? i am not being iffy. i am just inquiring as I was living in Asia for the past 7 years and I forgot how its like back in Europe.
It's not in London. If you want to work at LHR or LGW you will need to earn an extra couple of grand a month just to afford the much higher house prices!
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7
-Is this as a ‘contract pilot’ or a Ryanair employee?
- what is the company pension contribution?
- do you get LoL?
- private medical insurance?
- Private Health Insurance?
- free uniforms?
- company pay for Aircrew Medical?
- share save schemes?
- etc

If you add all these up and then take it away from the net figure quoted, I think you will find that Ryanair’s total remuneration is woefully low - in comparison to other comparable airlines.
If you were any way informed you would know that it’s £119 to £125 as a Ryanair employee. It’s about 137k as an LTC as a Ryanair employee. The pension is 8k contribution for Captains and the company match another 8k. This is the PRESENT situation.

The LOL and other benefits that are plainly missing as you mentioned are high on the unions agenda across all the countries that are in talks. If they are successful in attaining these benefits then we will have a situation where coupled with the money and roster, there won’t be many outfits that can match it as an overall package regardless of how much you hate the paint on the side of the aircraft.

Let’s see in a couple of months are you saying the same thing and then let’s make your comparison.
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 12:27
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I think you misunderstand me. I WANT Ryanair to have all of those things and MORE. I am on your side. Unless and until this is the case, then every airline pilot in all European airlines will suffer the consequences of Ryanair’s poor terms and conditions. And they are crap, no matter how good a fixed roster is perceived to be!

The pension contributions are paltry. Most airlines offer a percentage of the salary, significantly higher. In the region of 10-18%. EVERYONE retires one day.

It has taken the best part of 20 years for the pilot fraternity in Ryanair to realise that the power to change things is in their hands. The ones that do not stay and choose to move to other airlines, as so many have, will already be moving to terms and conditions that are significantly less than they were only a few years ago, as airlines attempt to mirror FRs poor conditions.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 06:31
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I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself Lazydogg, just because MOL conned the RYR work force into cancelling a pre-Christmas strike with some non-binding hot air, does not mean Ryanair are on course to become the best employers in the industry.

A leopard does not change it's spots and Ryanair will always be bottom feeders, that's the way they like it.
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