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I got previous experince but not on the B737. Joined with 2000 h+ TT.
I got my +10 E the same day I reached the minimum requirement.
Also they have extended the +10 E program to 1200 h.
Min require to start CU program:
800 h B737 with Ryanair(+one winter season)
1500 h JAR-25
2900 h total time
2 last simchecks with grade good or better.
I got my +10 E the same day I reached the minimum requirement.
Also they have extended the +10 E program to 1200 h.
Min require to start CU program:
800 h B737 with Ryanair(+one winter season)
1500 h JAR-25
2900 h total time
2 last simchecks with grade good or better.
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Let's speak a little bit about the point of last 2 sim checks graded good or better. Let's explain the people that is reading this thread this point.
Time ago the form which the examiner used to evaluate your sim had only one mark, so 1,2,3,4 or 5 and 3 was equal to GOODr. So in the past was enough just passed the sims.
Nowadays we have beed evaluated in lot of areas and every box in the new form has to be graded. The main mark has changed and now it says:
PASS
PARTIAL PASS
FAIL
the last MEMO from the company it says that if your last two sims has been graded as PASS is good enough to be entitled for the 10 + Euros extra.
In fact the company has changed the OPS MANUAL part D and now where it says that your last two sims has to be graded PASS, they changed the word GOOD or BETTER for the word PASS.
This is because it is quite easy to have in the rest of the form one
single point with a 4, but let's speak a little bit more about the last MEMO.
Also it says: do not have any area with IMPROVEMENT REQUIRED = 5.
In my case I never failed a sim in this company, even a partial pass, I never got a 5 in any single point of my sims, NEVER EVER EVER... my CRM always graded with 2, very good relationship with everyone, I consider myself a normal guy, just normal, normal skills, normal attitude...
I tried to claim several times to my BC to be in the program but he decided do not give me the 10+ Euros. I sended queries to the company training department and answer was try to speak with your BC. Finally I decided to forget the 10+ Euros continue flying as normal and wait for the new BC to come within the next few months.
This is my case guys, I'm not saying all the bases BC are the same, surely in other bases is quite different but here is like that. Even I'm seeing other collegues going to the upgrade with only 2 or 3 months of extrapayment.... but as I said I think it is not a problem of the company, seems to be that they change the requirements to entitled more SFO to get this extrapayment, it is just a particular problem, in fact it is just my problem and I don't know if in other bases it happened the same.
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It is nice to see that the system works!
The Base Captain talk with all the captains You fly with.
Saves the company a lot time and effort trying to upgrade someone to early.
If he sends a looser for upgrade and he obviously is going to fail, as he is not fit for Command , the Base Captain gets some serious negative feedback.
The BC is the first line of defense against incompetent upgrades and he is doing a great job for the company.
To many FOs have failed upgrade due lack of maturity , sop, skills, language etc.
Your BC is doing a great job and he happens to be on Pprune!
Good luck to all you stripeChasers, but dont count on it.
The Base Captain talk with all the captains You fly with.
Saves the company a lot time and effort trying to upgrade someone to early.
If he sends a looser for upgrade and he obviously is going to fail, as he is not fit for Command , the Base Captain gets some serious negative feedback.
The BC is the first line of defense against incompetent upgrades and he is doing a great job for the company.
To many FOs have failed upgrade due lack of maturity , sop, skills, language etc.
Your BC is doing a great job and he happens to be on Pprune!
Good luck to all you stripeChasers, but dont count on it.
In addition and without wanting to sound too cruel, but if your spoken English is anything like your written, you don't come close to having ICAO level 6 English.
I wouldn't blame the grading system too much. Never receiving a grade 5 (fail) is nothing to be proud about. A grade 4 is a fair and not sufficient to be put forward. On a bad day most guys probably get 3's. So if that's your best ever, then while it's minimum there's guys out there getting 2 or 1's every time with better CRM grades. It's been like this since before I upgraded 5 years ago.
While you might scrape minimum requirements, RYR doesn't have the time or energy to waist on someone who might pass when there's plenty who definitely will also waiting. In addition, the poster above is correct, why would a base captain stick their neck on the line for someone they aren't certain will pass. It'd only come back to them and their own skills at putting people forward would come into question. I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't blame the grading system too much. Never receiving a grade 5 (fail) is nothing to be proud about. A grade 4 is a fair and not sufficient to be put forward. On a bad day most guys probably get 3's. So if that's your best ever, then while it's minimum there's guys out there getting 2 or 1's every time with better CRM grades. It's been like this since before I upgraded 5 years ago.
While you might scrape minimum requirements, RYR doesn't have the time or energy to waist on someone who might pass when there's plenty who definitely will also waiting. In addition, the poster above is correct, why would a base captain stick their neck on the line for someone they aren't certain will pass. It'd only come back to them and their own skills at putting people forward would come into question. I wouldn't do it.
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Hi all,
Anyone help me out.......
Looking at fr non type dec (from airbus) because they hav base i want and 5:4 roster.....
Is the bond 3 years now and do they pay accommodation and base salary during type rating?
Can you get any form of guarantee from them that you will stay in your base and not be forced moved (aslong as base remains obviously)
Whats the rumours re increase in t+c's i wouldn't want to jump too soon
Do they still have very strict fuel policies?
Is it possible to do your job go home and have a nice life there?
Thanks in advance
Anyone help me out.......
Looking at fr non type dec (from airbus) because they hav base i want and 5:4 roster.....
Is the bond 3 years now and do they pay accommodation and base salary during type rating?
Can you get any form of guarantee from them that you will stay in your base and not be forced moved (aslong as base remains obviously)
Whats the rumours re increase in t+c's i wouldn't want to jump too soon
Do they still have very strict fuel policies?
Is it possible to do your job go home and have a nice life there?
Thanks in advance
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Here there is a difference between to go for the upgrade and to receive the 10 + Euros extra... yes the system works but seems to be that you don't have clear this small detail.
Anyway if you think that the BC is saving the company of people like me good. Probably you are right, I'm incompetent or not good enough to be Captain now. Ok... Fully respect of your point of view but one thing is to go right now to the upgrade and the other is to be in the program for the CU.
Anyway if you think that the BC is saving the company of people like me good. Probably you are right, I'm incompetent or not good enough to be Captain now. Ok... Fully respect of your point of view but one thing is to go right now to the upgrade and the other is to be in the program for the CU.
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In addition and without wanting to sound too cruel, but if your spoken English is anything like your written, you don't come close to having ICAO level 6 English.
I wouldn't blame the grading system too much. Never receiving a grade 5 (fail) is nothing to be proud about. A grade 4 is a fair and not sufficient to be put forward. On a bad day most guys probably get 3's. So if that's your best ever, then while it's minimum there's guys out there getting 2 or 1's every time with better CRM grades. It's been like this since before I upgraded 5 years ago.
While you might scrape minimum requirements, RYR doesn't have the time or energy to waist on someone who might pass when there's plenty who definitely will also waiting. In addition, the poster above is correct, why would a base captain stick their neck on the line for someone they aren't certain will pass. It'd only come back to them and their own skills at putting people forward would come into question. I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't blame the grading system too much. Never receiving a grade 5 (fail) is nothing to be proud about. A grade 4 is a fair and not sufficient to be put forward. On a bad day most guys probably get 3's. So if that's your best ever, then while it's minimum there's guys out there getting 2 or 1's every time with better CRM grades. It's been like this since before I upgraded 5 years ago.
While you might scrape minimum requirements, RYR doesn't have the time or energy to waist on someone who might pass when there's plenty who definitely will also waiting. In addition, the poster above is correct, why would a base captain stick their neck on the line for someone they aren't certain will pass. It'd only come back to them and their own skills at putting people forward would come into question. I wouldn't do it.
I'm not proud of my 4 in one area of the sim, of course not, I'm just saying I comply with the requirement for the 10+ Euros extra, that's all. No more no less. I also have a few 2 (very good) and 3, and just one point with 4. I can wait for going to the CU it is not a big deal but I can not understand why I'm not in a program which you can stay 18 months before going to the upgrade. That's all.
Again sorry for my grammar it is not my native language. I prefer to speak 4 languages, english, Portuguese, italian and Spanish and to have a bad grammar in English instead to speak only English perfectly. I will try to study a little bit more grammar and to improve my level 5. It is gonna be hard but I'm confident will achieve...
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Is the bond 3 years now
I understand it's not your first language, speaking 4 is impressive, however we are in the game of English proficiency. Which is even more important when a Captain.
Anyway, I can understand your frustrations, however to get the 10 Euro extra, people need to show, that once they have the experience they'll be in a position where more than likely they'll be ready to upgrade. That's why you can be in this system for 18 months receiving this extra payment. You however have the hours now, yet your sim obviously shows you don't currently meet that part of the requirement. Therefore with needing two consecutive sims to have grade 3's or better, how is it you expect someone to say yes this person is ready to be in the upgrade system - or will be ready in another year, when currently you've not shown evidence that will be the case?
Sorry to sound harsh, but ask yourself if you'd recommend someone in your situation.
Anyway, I can understand your frustrations, however to get the 10 Euro extra, people need to show, that once they have the experience they'll be in a position where more than likely they'll be ready to upgrade. That's why you can be in this system for 18 months receiving this extra payment. You however have the hours now, yet your sim obviously shows you don't currently meet that part of the requirement. Therefore with needing two consecutive sims to have grade 3's or better, how is it you expect someone to say yes this person is ready to be in the upgrade system - or will be ready in another year, when currently you've not shown evidence that will be the case?
Sorry to sound harsh, but ask yourself if you'd recommend someone in your situation.
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My friend strongly recommend you to check your OPS Manual Part D. It is says PASS, I say you again PASS. Not 3 or better, that was before. So yes I comply with this part also. The MEMO it says quite clear that you need your two previous simulators graded PASS.
It is quite simple and you are doing so complicated. The question here if someone is reading this thread is.
An experienced pilot joining Ryanair doing everything normal, passing OCC course, passing the simulators with PASS and comply with the minimum requirement for the upgrade... is he going to be in the program for the CU ?
Answer : No
Why?
Because the last word is from your Base Captain.
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It is quite simple and you are doing so complicated. The question here if someone is reading this thread is.
An experienced pilot joining Ryanair doing everything normal, passing OCC course, passing the simulators with PASS and comply with the minimum requirement for the upgrade... is he going to be in the program for the CU ?
Answer : No
Why?
Because the last word is from your Base Captain.
Finish
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Let's say the people the truth. Specially if you are a FO with hours on 73 and think that you going to join the company as Senior FO with this privilege and one year you are going to be Captain here...
Answer : it depend of your BC. So answer is NO!
Answer : it depend of your BC. So answer is NO!
Yep- it must be someone else's fault.
I know plenty of OCC FO's who joined with hours, who did the command after one year and were in various bases. None ever got a 4 in the sim, and all had level 6 English.
Must certainly be they all had nicer base captains.
Oh and for what it's worth, the base TRE's are in charge of this.
I know plenty of OCC FO's who joined with hours, who did the command after one year and were in various bases. None ever got a 4 in the sim, and all had level 6 English.
Must certainly be they all had nicer base captains.
Oh and for what it's worth, the base TRE's are in charge of this.
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Again I don't need a level 6 English, is not compulsory. My level 5 it is enough.
From my OCC all the people stay as FO except one Italian guy, the rest still Flying RH seat.
things are things.
From my OCC all the people stay as FO except one Italian guy, the rest still Flying RH seat.
things are things.
Going round in circles. Maybe none of you are ready - just a thought. There's a difference between having minimum requirements and being ready.
Either way- you win I give up, give me your crewcode and I'll recommend you.
Either way- you win I give up, give me your crewcode and I'll recommend you.
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Hahahahaha very good, no, before you have to put me the extrapayment for a few months if you don't mind. I don't going to request 18 months of extrapayment but at least 6... what do you think? You must be a good guy hahahahahaha, I send you my crewcode in a private message.
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Is the bond 3 years now and do they pay accommodation and base salary during type rating?
Yes, you get basic salary during TR.
Will it be "negotiable" to have the bond but with full basic salary? Not being perfect would be a little more atractive.
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Direct Entry, the concept!
To all of You that are considering the company or any company for that mater as a DEC or FO
( By the way there is only FO no DE-FO after safety pilot release, you are all the same.)
Your performance has to be better than minimum pass grade.
This is why most company do not hire DEC unless they rely have to.
Why? DEC and experienced pilot has great difficulty performing to RYR standard.
OCC is short and to pass sim , line training and consecutive good or better performance is rare.
When I did sim I used to call it " Un-learning". And the most popular excuse was:" The other aircraft" and " My company used to,,,".
In FAA terms they call it Indoctrination and I took offence to that word.
Now I love it!
You change Company and aircraft as DE somthing ,You work,eat sleep new kit for at least 6 months.
If You think you can walls in to any Company and steal a base position in front of the rest you better have your stuff sorted.
Its great fun and has a medium reward as by nature You have choices.
The SOP is king ,start marching to the tune. If out off stepp You are in trouble.
Read, comprehend and execute.
Simple realy.
As we all are in the illution that we are the illegitamate grand son of Cuck Yeager , I propose to read his autobiography!
He was actually a humble and smart man.
And Granny lied to encurrage You.
If You have it and the stamina, welcome.
If in doubt,go away.
Good luck to all.
( By the way there is only FO no DE-FO after safety pilot release, you are all the same.)
Your performance has to be better than minimum pass grade.
This is why most company do not hire DEC unless they rely have to.
Why? DEC and experienced pilot has great difficulty performing to RYR standard.
OCC is short and to pass sim , line training and consecutive good or better performance is rare.
When I did sim I used to call it " Un-learning". And the most popular excuse was:" The other aircraft" and " My company used to,,,".
In FAA terms they call it Indoctrination and I took offence to that word.
Now I love it!
You change Company and aircraft as DE somthing ,You work,eat sleep new kit for at least 6 months.
If You think you can walls in to any Company and steal a base position in front of the rest you better have your stuff sorted.
Its great fun and has a medium reward as by nature You have choices.
The SOP is king ,start marching to the tune. If out off stepp You are in trouble.
Read, comprehend and execute.
Simple realy.
As we all are in the illution that we are the illegitamate grand son of Cuck Yeager , I propose to read his autobiography!
He was actually a humble and smart man.
And Granny lied to encurrage You.
If You have it and the stamina, welcome.
If in doubt,go away.
Good luck to all.