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Old 28th Oct 2017, 10:06
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Yes.

Assuming they have not changed significantly since 2005, they are most certainly a 'family' style airline. I don't know if they still do this, but one thing that impressed me was that the whole crew - pilots and cabin crew - all briefed for a flight seated around the same table. In this way there was a very good interchange of information and CRM was excellent. There was no 'us and them', it was 'the crew'. After the basics of the days' flying had been decided, the Number 1 would set a scenario, for example a rejected take-off or an on board fire, and every member of the crew would talk about it and what they would do. Pilots picked up things about the cabin crew duties we didn't know, and vice versa.

They will work you very hard though - I did 870 hours in my last year with them. The pay is not brilliant and those 6 on/2 off duties are killers, (if they still do them), but their training and standards are/were very good.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time with them.
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Yes.

Assuming they have not changed significantly since 2005
Flybe changed fairly significantly in 2013/14. Admittedly most of the things you have listed did not change, except 6 on is now followed by 3 off. There are still ways of reducing the length of the 3 days off though, and 6 days of 4 to 6 sectors is still brutal even with 3 recovery days.

I did enjoy the joint briefing too, and felt it was beneficial to CRM throughout the day. I'm not sure it would work in my current job though timewise with a 1hr report, it was fine on a 78 seat aircraft at a small airport with 2 pilots and 2 crew and green light boarding at STD-20.
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 13:44
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Thanks, sounds like my thing. Will definitely have a look to see if I am what THEY want
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 22:14
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I just posted my roster above. From where do you see 6on 3off ?? It now not permitted to have 6 days on of flight in a raw, it can only be 5on with flight and 1 of positioning.
And it has never happened to me in the last year ...
Ok to say most of the flights for the summer were 4 sectors day, but winter schedule has now started, I have 50 or cent of 2 sectors day.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 11:13
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Rules and regs can always be manipulated. There are limits on hours for days/week/month/year. Companies who are quiet in winter can hammer the summer but the rules usually give some protection over 12 months.
To survive, companies have had to employ GOOD ops staff. So well done Flybe.
Those who employ poor ops planners end up cancelling hundreds of flights and end up all over the news
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 11:53
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Shockingly low pay though unfortunately. I'm looking for a 'nice' company to build additional hours as I only get 200 hours a year on my BizJet and I'm waiting to upgrade to LHS.

Unfortunately my RHS pay is only a few percent less than FlyBe captains and a fair bit more than double their FO pay so not even nearly possible while maintaining current mortgage etc.

My current gig is good for existing captains though who like a 6 figure salary and to be home most of the time .... but at the current rate, I will be sitting on the right for another 7 years to get to 4000TT.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 08:33
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Globally, why change? Run those figures for the next 20 yrs and you are better off where you are surely. Even with a 7 year wait you fly 500 hours less then an airline bod, you can enjoy your family and even have a hobby or two. Enviable.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 09:32
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Globally,

Sounds like you have a good gig but just for your reference FO second year at Flybe I average 2.6k take home pay.
Last year 41k before tax. Not the best but love the crew. Get standby travel on BA, Virgin, Delta, etc etc.

Captains get worked hard but pay not bad once you add extras on. 80-85ish some guys work loads of days off which really bumps pay up.

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Old 30th Oct 2017, 10:12
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Globally,

Sounds like you have a good gig but just for your reference FO second year at Flybe I average 2.6k take home pay.
Last year 41k before tax. Not the best but love the crew. Get standby travel on BA, Virgin, Delta, etc etc.

Captains get worked hard but pay not bad once you add extras on. 80-85ish some guys work loads of days off which really bumps pay up.

AH123
Cabin crews in our orange company (euro based) are getting that kind of money. And it is pretty sad if you have to work your days off to get an acceptable salary...

The only reason to jump from corporate (which I did a few years ago) is job stability: two of my previous company went bankrupt in the last 3 years, with little warning signs.
In the airlines you will work much harder, but at least you won't be worried about not having a job overnight.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 10:45
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In the airlines you will work much harder, but at least you won't be worried about not having a job overnight.
Monarch! Bit of a bold statement.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 11:01
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That hardly happened overnight!
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 11:41
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Er....yes it did.

First I knew of it was reading a newspaper on the train the next day....
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 11:49
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It was about the third time they were rumoured to go under overnight. Most of us were expecting it for ages
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 11:52
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Weren't they about to collapse the last year as well?
Plus they were not exactly making huge profits.

In corporate you are at the whim of the owner or the shareholders. The company can make billions, but if they wake up on a bad mood one day...
One example: General Electric flight department in US has just been closed, leaving tens of pilots on the street, with two weeks notice. The company just decided to charter instead of using their own metal.

On the other side the JP Morgan pilots just got 80k USD annual pay rise, plus other benefits. But again, who knows till when this will last...
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 13:46
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Cabin crews in our orange company (euro based) are getting that kind of money. And it is pretty sad if you have to work your days off to get an acceptable salary
Number 1, junior cabin crew ? After how many years ? Sorry to say that but I always have a doubt about random number throw in a forum ... According to the press, Ryanair cabin crew make 40 000 euro, but it appears it is for senior+trainer+base manager with the full contract ...

If so good as CC with the orange, why we have so much coming to purple ? (At least at my base).

Flybe pay the type to their pilots, you have a bond but nothing to pay back if you stay.
I know ... nobody cares today about that today, because it is "normal nowday ... Still 20/25 in your pocket than in the airline bank account.

FO have an increase of 3000 salary every years for the first 3 years than 2000 per annum after (does stop after 10)

I don't know the roster of other airline (i know lots of disparity in the world between airline).
But you have 2 sectors days with Flybe.
Does give you a duty time sometime as low as 4h/4h30. Plenty of time to enjoy your life on a working day.

I m definitely not saying Flybe is the best of the best. If your life is all about the big numbers at this end of the pay check, definitely not Flybe, ... but if other considerations, I understand why some people stay there and are happy, definitely not a bad airline when you take all in count.

Me too I was in corporate before, had 2 bankrupt ...
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 13:54
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Number 1, junior cabin crew ? After how many years ? Sorry to say that but I always have a doubt about random number throw in a forum ... According to the press, Ryanair cabin crew make 40 000 euro, but it appears it is for senior+trainer+base manager with the full contract ...

If so good as CC with the orange, why we have so much coming to purple ? (At least at my base).
You probably know that in the orange world contracts are country dependant.
In my country for example they have a very favorable tax system, for which pilots and cabin crew end up with a more than decent net salary, compared to other contracts with similar gross amounts.
A purser here makes on average 3k eur net a month plus yearly bonus, just to give you an idea. A second officer makes 50% more than that. A normal cabin crew around 500 less a month.
Salary does not go up with time, a year 1 purse makes the same as a year 10. Same for pilots, a part from the normal progression from second, to first, to senior f/o. Loyalty bonus is a slightly different subject.
I am not throwing numbers, these are actual figures.

Sorry for the off topic.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 17:03
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UK tax is a joke but that's a different matter, a grand goes out of my account every month but can't do much about that.

Flybe doesn't pay the best I agree but they do look after us and winter is a lot quiet. I'm flying about 60 hrs next month with quite a few short 2 sector days which I have frozen. People do move on due to pay and wanting to fly bigger things but everyone I have spoken misses the banter and apart from BHX and MAN all the other bases you can be parked up and in the crew room in no more than about 10 mins. For those who live near bases you can even do an airport standby from home.

Flybe has never been about the money it's always been about life style.

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Old 31st Oct 2017, 17:40
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Anyone have any idea if they have employed experienced jet captains onto the dash?
Ive many 1000s of Widebody hrs, but this may not be considered suitable for a TP job?!

Im just a number in my current company.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 19:35
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Yes we do definitely, not just the classic near retirement guys wanting to move closer to home near retirement but many other situations too. Your experience would most definitely be considered relevant for a TP job! It's a pity it doesn't work the other way round so much haha.

I'm fear you'll still be a number though.
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 01:43
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highfive - Flybe have had problems in the past with very experienced pilots retiring from major airlines, or rather the pilots had a problem with Flybe. To be fair it was over 10 years ago and the main issue was the considerable roster disruption going on at the time. The guys in question (a batch all taken on at the same time) wanted to have a quiet end to their flying careers (as one would want) but Flybe messed them around (6 on 2 off, roster changes, unscheduled nightstops etc) to the point where they just dug their heels in and began saying no. In the end they all left by mutual agreement.

I doubt there is such a level of disruption these days but it's worth checking you'd get the lifestyle to suit you.

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