European Low cost pay 2016
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I'm sure it's been asked before, but can anyone please give me an idea about current salaries at Easyjet, Ryanair and Wizzair?
Any other info on package and roster patterns also appreciated.
Currently skipper in the sandpit and feeling rather exhausted with 24/7 Ops and multiple monthly day to night to day roster changes!
Just wanting to look at what else is out there.
Does anyone know what a Captain at Ryanir on the new permanent contract takes home in NET EURO's?
Thanks in advance
Any other info on package and roster patterns also appreciated.
Currently skipper in the sandpit and feeling rather exhausted with 24/7 Ops and multiple monthly day to night to day roster changes!
Just wanting to look at what else is out there.
Does anyone know what a Captain at Ryanir on the new permanent contract takes home in NET EURO's?
Thanks in advance
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CapedVulture I can assure you that you will be feeling every bit as fatigued at Wizz Air as you currently are now but you will be considerably poorer into the "bargain". Multiple transitions from lates to earlies and back occur every roster pattern with not even a nod to a Fatigue Reporting and Management System. Controlled rest takes place on almost every sector because everyone is flying fatigued and/or sick and not able to take leave because (contract depending) there is either no sick pay at all or something woefully insignificant.
Horrendously long duties with minimum rest will occur all the time and you will be flying right on the legal maximum every day, month and year. People will be revisiting these kind of posts in the not too distant future when the inevitable smoking hole occurs but I will not be gleefully dancing saying "I told you so".
The salary is pitiful and contains no pension, loyalty bonus or share purchase system; all of which you will find at easyJet (in a UK base anyway). I have worked for both and easyJet is another world to Wizz Air, it is vastly superior in every single aspect. People who moan about working for easyJet should go work for Wizz for six months and see if they come back with the same outlook. Cannot comment on Ryanair.
Horrendously long duties with minimum rest will occur all the time and you will be flying right on the legal maximum every day, month and year. People will be revisiting these kind of posts in the not too distant future when the inevitable smoking hole occurs but I will not be gleefully dancing saying "I told you so".
The salary is pitiful and contains no pension, loyalty bonus or share purchase system; all of which you will find at easyJet (in a UK base anyway). I have worked for both and easyJet is another world to Wizz Air, it is vastly superior in every single aspect. People who moan about working for easyJet should go work for Wizz for six months and see if they come back with the same outlook. Cannot comment on Ryanair.
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Looking at j2, a captain there is about £85k basic, not sure about RYR but I think it's around £80k, although I think you need a 73 rating for direct entry at ryr. Not sure what the net per month of that is. From what I hear Jet2 has very few night flights and start times range from around 4am - 3pm.
I am in a similar position but in the right hand seat in Asia, from my research and looking at a couple of short haul rosters ive been able to get a hold of, you really need to live within 30-45mins of the airport, otherwise the days seem incredibly long.
With regard to the above point, I understand what you're saying and in many respects short haul will be more tiring than long haul. However I don't really think it requires as many bodyclock changes as you potentially have to do on a bad LH roster, on top of that spending days on end in hotels away from family. From the short haul rosters I have seen you don't really seem to have to stray too far from your home timezone and the fact you can return home to your own bed everynight seems a huge plus.
That being said no matter whether you are LH or SH I'm sure people will always find something to moan about.
I am in a similar position but in the right hand seat in Asia, from my research and looking at a couple of short haul rosters ive been able to get a hold of, you really need to live within 30-45mins of the airport, otherwise the days seem incredibly long.
With regard to the above point, I understand what you're saying and in many respects short haul will be more tiring than long haul. However I don't really think it requires as many bodyclock changes as you potentially have to do on a bad LH roster, on top of that spending days on end in hotels away from family. From the short haul rosters I have seen you don't really seem to have to stray too far from your home timezone and the fact you can return home to your own bed everynight seems a huge plus.
That being said no matter whether you are LH or SH I'm sure people will always find something to moan about.
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FR take non rated skippers. Depends which contract you would be offered but its around the 6.5k euros a month. Hear the direct entry guys are also getting the bases they want.
Apart from that there are better companies out there who work less and get paid more but if you manage to get your home base the 5 days on 4 days off roster its brilliant and no over nights. Depends where you are but hours range 750-900 a year.
Good luck
Apart from that there are better companies out there who work less and get paid more but if you manage to get your home base the 5 days on 4 days off roster its brilliant and no over nights. Depends where you are but hours range 750-900 a year.
Good luck
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LH to LCC/ULC
Did that.
Was expat captain on wide-body for 11 years. Took almost 50% cut to go back home to fly for Wizz Air (Wizz was and still is the only decent job where I come from).
First 3 years was ok. Enjoyed easy life and my hobbies. Then, after the "golden boy" s__t replaced M. Bourdon as DFO, all went down the drain.
Left Wizz and am looking at DEC jobs in the Gulf and Norwegian LH to restart my expat career.
Do not touch Wizz!
Was expat captain on wide-body for 11 years. Took almost 50% cut to go back home to fly for Wizz Air (Wizz was and still is the only decent job where I come from).
First 3 years was ok. Enjoyed easy life and my hobbies. Then, after the "golden boy" s__t replaced M. Bourdon as DFO, all went down the drain.
Left Wizz and am looking at DEC jobs in the Gulf and Norwegian LH to restart my expat career.
Do not touch Wizz!
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Thanks gents
I'm just looking at what's out there.
I have been told to stay away from Wizz by others.
I've done the Jet2 gig already. Perfect for some. Not for me.
Where I am ticks a lot of boxes, but I am just feeling on my last legs.
Unlike Europe we doing 24/7 flying on minimum days off with 6 plus day to night changes per month and 1 or 2 days off in between which is simply spent asleep.
Most LHS guys here very fatigued.
So really there is Ryanair or China, I guess! There are a few jobs worth looking at in China.
I need to make a decision.
I'm just looking at what's out there.
I have been told to stay away from Wizz by others.
I've done the Jet2 gig already. Perfect for some. Not for me.
Where I am ticks a lot of boxes, but I am just feeling on my last legs.
Unlike Europe we doing 24/7 flying on minimum days off with 6 plus day to night changes per month and 1 or 2 days off in between which is simply spent asleep.
Most LHS guys here very fatigued.
So really there is Ryanair or China, I guess! There are a few jobs worth looking at in China.
I need to make a decision.
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NAS , B738 Capt, Contractor, Spanish base, 12 days off a month (not fixed roster, used to be, but, that was cancelled ) some minuses (base stability, possibility to be asked to "rest" during Winter. . . particularly your 1st year ) LGW/HEL available, but less chance initially. You will take on average €7000 after Spanish tax.
Better bet (IMHO ) than the Dreamliner Gig.
Better bet (IMHO ) than the Dreamliner Gig.
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Averaged about £108k at Easy in the last 2 years with duty pay but before any other extras. The wife has annoyingly averaged about £109k.
Don't know if we're still taking DEC, and also don't know if we're taking non-rated DEC, although I am aware that there was (and probably will be soon) a rush for the exit last year, predominantly to BA.
Don't know if we're still taking DEC, and also don't know if we're taking non-rated DEC, although I am aware that there was (and probably will be soon) a rush for the exit last year, predominantly to BA.
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PlayStation any thoughts on positives of working for NAS vs Ryanair?
Seems most people go to Ryanair for the roster
Heard about the NAS issues with contract
Looks like u can earn a bit more than at Ryanair but if u forced to "take a break" you'll likely earn less.
Heard can be a bit difficult at Japanese Airlines in general? People been given unnecessarily hard time in the simulator. Don't know about pay and conditions but wouldn't beat China I'm sure.
I'm looking at Xiamen contracts in China. Heard good things about them as far as China goes. Also spoken people who are there or trying to go there and it sounds promising
Seems most people go to Ryanair for the roster
Heard about the NAS issues with contract
Looks like u can earn a bit more than at Ryanair but if u forced to "take a break" you'll likely earn less.
Heard can be a bit difficult at Japanese Airlines in general? People been given unnecessarily hard time in the simulator. Don't know about pay and conditions but wouldn't beat China I'm sure.
I'm looking at Xiamen contracts in China. Heard good things about them as far as China goes. Also spoken people who are there or trying to go there and it sounds promising
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Flyingmed, that 6.5k euros figure you gave - is that basic only? Cause that makes about £4700 which is a bit low. I thought a RYR skipper doing 80hrs a month would take around £5300 - 5500 a month after pension on RYR contract. At least that's what a couple of mates told me.
Are RYR still wanting cash up front for type rating or are they happy to bond?
Are RYR still wanting cash up front for type rating or are they happy to bond?
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Quite complicated, it depends which base your at if you have a permanent position, but it can be quite low in some bases. The UK seems to be the best place to be based. I know there are crew around the network earning around the €6000 mark without putting money into a pension. In my opinion the question about moving back to Europe from the gulf has to be a lifestyle decision, you definatly wont get rich from flying with Ryanair however being home every night with family (if your based at home) is more important than money for some crew. Worked 800 - 900 hours/year however with the spread of the roster it seems to work out.
As far as I know you have to self fund type rating regardless if you are a cadet or DEC.
As far as I know you have to self fund type rating regardless if you are a cadet or DEC.
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CapedVulture,
Up until 6 years ago or so, there were many . . . . . regrettably, the way the company "culture" is headed it is difficult to argue a case for preferring one over the other nowadays.
Those who now find themselves working on the Irish AOC with HR administered by OSM (UK & Spanish bases ) are finding the contractural/rostering issues a bit trying.
Union recognition & the establishment of a CLA will help, but it won't turn the clock back to the conditions enjoyed ( & being dismantled year by year ) by those up in the Scandi bases lets say 6 years ago, before the opening of the HEL base started the downward spiral.
With Ryanair you have a fixed roster, massive potential choice of bases, and, if you can live at your base, spend every night in your own bed. The softening in company culture towards pax, appears to be slowly trickling down to the staff, but it will take a long time to turnaround that supertanker.
NAS, you have none of these, a little more money, and inflight wifi that officially you cannot utilise in the flight deck. Recent entrants have enjoyed some unrequested unpaid leave/forced 50% roster, and/or had to put up with forced base changes over the Winter.
If you join NAS you can also look forward to flying "long-haul" again, even as a 737 driver. Already Cork-Boston (with a 738 ! ) & the arrival of the MAX will see the network becoming more "intercontinental". . . . Oh the joy of being stuck in a pokey 737 cockpit for 7/8 hours on a regular basis.
Up until 6 years ago or so, there were many . . . . . regrettably, the way the company "culture" is headed it is difficult to argue a case for preferring one over the other nowadays.
Those who now find themselves working on the Irish AOC with HR administered by OSM (UK & Spanish bases ) are finding the contractural/rostering issues a bit trying.
Union recognition & the establishment of a CLA will help, but it won't turn the clock back to the conditions enjoyed ( & being dismantled year by year ) by those up in the Scandi bases lets say 6 years ago, before the opening of the HEL base started the downward spiral.
With Ryanair you have a fixed roster, massive potential choice of bases, and, if you can live at your base, spend every night in your own bed. The softening in company culture towards pax, appears to be slowly trickling down to the staff, but it will take a long time to turnaround that supertanker.
NAS, you have none of these, a little more money, and inflight wifi that officially you cannot utilise in the flight deck. Recent entrants have enjoyed some unrequested unpaid leave/forced 50% roster, and/or had to put up with forced base changes over the Winter.
If you join NAS you can also look forward to flying "long-haul" again, even as a 737 driver. Already Cork-Boston (with a 738 ! ) & the arrival of the MAX will see the network becoming more "intercontinental". . . . Oh the joy of being stuck in a pokey 737 cockpit for 7/8 hours on a regular basis.
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What about the various contracts being offered by agencies for 2016? Small Planet already discussed on other thread but what about Aegean, Brussels airlines, Avion Express, Volotea etc. What are these guys paying? Not personally interested in working for them but would be interesting to know what they are offering. I'm guessing peanuts but anyone with real information?
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What about the various contracts being offered by agencies for 2016? Small Planet already discussed on other thread but what about Aegean, Brussels airlines, Avion Express, Volotea etc. What are these guys paying? Not personally interested in working for them but would be interesting to know what they are offering. I'm guessing peanuts but anyone with real information?
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