Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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If you look at operators in the UK I reckon Jet2, Flybe, and Ryanair drivers would form the main interest in this gig, apart from experienced guys who are out of work of course.
Will an experienced permanent Flybe driver leave for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
Will a permanent Jet2 driver leave for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
Will an experienced contractor at Ryanair turn down a potential command upgrade course(in light of the 170 738s on their way) for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
It will be interesting to see what they actually put on the table.
Will an experienced permanent Flybe driver leave for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
Will a permanent Jet2 driver leave for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
Will an experienced contractor at Ryanair turn down a potential command upgrade course(in light of the 170 738s on their way) for anything less than a decent permanent contract? I doubt it.
It will be interesting to see what they actually put on the table.
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I think a flybe driver with the constant threat of the axe hanging over his head permanently and especially the turboprop driver would very seriously consider this move. Even if is not a permanent contract for the first 2 years, simply because he/she would gain a decent type rating with plenty of hours on it and have much more options open to him/her in the short term.
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Ladies & Gents
Has anyone who has applied not received a confirmation email? I applied and did not receive one yet when I check the status of my application it says it's been submitted and received. I tried editing my details and sending another application and it still says the same thing at the end, which is:
Thank You
We've received your application
Thank you for your application. We're reviewing it to see if it matches what we need for this role and we'll be in touch once we have an update for you.
We invite you to look at the job openings available in our Career section and to further explore the functionalities of your account.
After trying three different email addresses it still doesn't send me a confirmation email. I've spoken to several colleagues and they all say they have a confirmation.
Thanks.
Has anyone who has applied not received a confirmation email? I applied and did not receive one yet when I check the status of my application it says it's been submitted and received. I tried editing my details and sending another application and it still says the same thing at the end, which is:
Thank You
We've received your application
Thank you for your application. We're reviewing it to see if it matches what we need for this role and we'll be in touch once we have an update for you.
We invite you to look at the job openings available in our Career section and to further explore the functionalities of your account.
After trying three different email addresses it still doesn't send me a confirmation email. I've spoken to several colleagues and they all say they have a confirmation.
Thanks.
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Captainbirdseye.........."Monarch is about to recruit 70 ish FOs on perm contracts from day 1. That's a full salary deal with pension and health care not a watered down B scale"
Yep.....that's exactly what I mean.....take the longer term view!!!
No point having a permanent contract with scale A, pension, health care, gym membership etc from the start if it is unlikely to last.
I should re-phrase my earlier post...."there are many naive players (who have not been in an airline, with a mortgage and family to support when it has folded) on this forum who are taking the 2 year view...."
For me, it would be a secure job ANYTIME.
Yep.....that's exactly what I mean.....take the longer term view!!!
No point having a permanent contract with scale A, pension, health care, gym membership etc from the start if it is unlikely to last.
I should re-phrase my earlier post...."there are many naive players (who have not been in an airline, with a mortgage and family to support when it has folded) on this forum who are taking the 2 year view...."
For me, it would be a secure job ANYTIME.
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From: The IMF.
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Monarch have existed for 40+ years. Who are you to say they won't be here in another 2 years time?
As for a secure airline, yes, I agree that easyJet is secure.
However, there is a huge difference between the stability of the airline and the stability of a permanent job after 2 years.
Any number of things could happen in those 730 days that could affect the stability of your job offer.
I wouldn't be bandying around accusations of naivety if I were you. You could be accused of it yourself.
Monarch have existed for 40+ years. Who are you to say they won't be here in another 2 years time?
As for a secure airline, yes, I agree that easyJet is secure.
However, there is a huge difference between the stability of the airline and the stability of a permanent job after 2 years.
Any number of things could happen in those 730 days that could affect the stability of your job offer.
I wouldn't be bandying around accusations of naivety if I were you. You could be accused of it yourself.
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Narrow runway - bmi had been around since 1938. They only had enough money for a couple of weeks of further trading when they were sold to IAG.
Do you want the list of all the other airlines that have been around for 40+yrs that are no longer around?
I can assure you that the past is no guarantee to the future......now that is not a naive statement.......is it? You would be better thinking about current business models rather than when an airline was established.
Do you want the list of all the other airlines that have been around for 40+yrs that are no longer around?
I can assure you that the past is no guarantee to the future......now that is not a naive statement.......is it? You would be better thinking about current business models rather than when an airline was established.
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You like the sound of your own prognostications don't you?
As I say, Monarch have been around 40+ years. Who are you to say they won't be in 2 years time?
I note what you say about failed airlines, but who is to say that easyJet won't become one? All it needs it an adverse incident and it could all change very rapidly.
Plenty of people, not just me, seem to question your statements on this forum, which all seem to be blustering personal opinion.
Personally, I think it is a big risk to accept a 2 year probation period - and anyhow, why should we be subjected to it? These applicants hold professional licences and will have all gained significant experience elsewhere before applying to easyJet.
You sound like a management wannabe, or at best management apologist who enjoys talking down other organisations because you are under the misguided illusion that somehow your lot is better than that of everyone else's.
I agree - easyJet is a good option, but don't over egg the pudding please.
You like the sound of your own prognostications don't you?
As I say, Monarch have been around 40+ years. Who are you to say they won't be in 2 years time?
I note what you say about failed airlines, but who is to say that easyJet won't become one? All it needs it an adverse incident and it could all change very rapidly.
Plenty of people, not just me, seem to question your statements on this forum, which all seem to be blustering personal opinion.
Personally, I think it is a big risk to accept a 2 year probation period - and anyhow, why should we be subjected to it? These applicants hold professional licences and will have all gained significant experience elsewhere before applying to easyJet.
You sound like a management wannabe, or at best management apologist who enjoys talking down other organisations because you are under the misguided illusion that somehow your lot is better than that of everyone else's.
I agree - easyJet is a good option, but don't over egg the pudding please.
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From: Hampshire physically; Perthshire and Pembrokeshire mentally.
Historical time to command doesn't really apply anymore. 5 years or less was about right when the airline was expanding. With expansion finished, it's going to be a hell of a lot longer.
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And although attrition is low, many FO's have just left/are about to leave for Monarch and last time BA were recruiting, they took scores if not hundreds of FOs not to mention a handful of captains. There is a small but steady trickle of FO's and some captains/training captains leaving for Emirates.
Command at Easyjet is far from being a dead man's shoes situation. I would say 5-10 years after becoming permanent, but closer to 5.
Command at Easyjet is far from being a dead man's shoes situation. I would say 5-10 years after becoming permanent, but closer to 5.
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I agree that leaving a permanent position for a 2 year contract is undesirable and carries it's risk. But staying in a permanent contract with an airline can also be considered a risk, whether it be job security or career development. That can only be assessed by the interested party.
I don't foresee that easyJet will not take good experienced crew permanently at the end of the fixed contract period. The contract will probably be structured to become permanent after two years from the outset.
As for time to command, it changes on a yearly basis so impossible to say but on average easyJet does about 100 command upgrades a year. I'd say five years is a reasonable estimate right now.
It's far from great (paying for rating, contracting), and I'm just trying to help those interested with their thoughts, but the rewards are good. Alexander de Meerkat is right. On a permanent contract, easyJet is a very good place to be.
I don't foresee that easyJet will not take good experienced crew permanently at the end of the fixed contract period. The contract will probably be structured to become permanent after two years from the outset.
As for time to command, it changes on a yearly basis so impossible to say but on average easyJet does about 100 command upgrades a year. I'd say five years is a reasonable estimate right now.
It's far from great (paying for rating, contracting), and I'm just trying to help those interested with their thoughts, but the rewards are good. Alexander de Meerkat is right. On a permanent contract, easyJet is a very good place to be.
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Narrowrunway - sorry, wrong on both counts.
I seem to have touched a nerve - sounds like you have had a bad experience with easy in the past or is your comment "unbiased"?
Totally agree with the last 2 comments...
I seem to have touched a nerve - sounds like you have had a bad experience with easy in the past or is your comment "unbiased"?
Totally agree with the last 2 comments...
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I think a bit of coffee smelling is required around here. Sure Easyjet has a good business model (that doesn't necessarily mean it's particulaly well run though) and yes it's stable in terms of job security at the minute but you will work bloody hard for the cash- harder an in more imaginative ways that Flybe and alike could even dream of. They disrespect union agreements and pretty much make the rules up as they go a lot of the time (yes standard for an airline these days but unpalatable nonetheless)
The real issue is going into the new Brady style Easyjet with your eyes open. The only way you will ever see the existing command contract will be on a museum wall unless the existing employees gear up for a significant showdown this summer. there is classic good cop/ bad cop strategy in place at the minute where McCall plays the PR game eloquently and promises plenty while her sidekick is busy unravelling everything behind the scenes. By her own admission she would like to benchmark contracts with Wizzair.
Easyjet is no picnic but it may represent a good solution for some if you are willing to take the 2 year gamble.
The real issue is going into the new Brady style Easyjet with your eyes open. The only way you will ever see the existing command contract will be on a museum wall unless the existing employees gear up for a significant showdown this summer. there is classic good cop/ bad cop strategy in place at the minute where McCall plays the PR game eloquently and promises plenty while her sidekick is busy unravelling everything behind the scenes. By her own admission she would like to benchmark contracts with Wizzair.
Easyjet is no picnic but it may represent a good solution for some if you are willing to take the 2 year gamble.
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Swissair, Sabena, American and Air France were once airlines with incredible job security and no chance of going under.
For the likes of ADM and 9 minutes to landing (who I agree with more often than not) to be so confident in easyJet's position with the benefit of such myopic hindsight demonstrates the investors adage, there are those who don't know and those who don't know they don't know.
The business model works very well and the commercial team are sharp. The brand is superlative.
As an employee of easyJet and someone who was given a chance by the company I hope it continues to grow and succeed.
For the likes of ADM and 9 minutes to landing (who I agree with more often than not) to be so confident in easyJet's position with the benefit of such myopic hindsight demonstrates the investors adage, there are those who don't know and those who don't know they don't know.
The business model works very well and the commercial team are sharp. The brand is superlative.
As an employee of easyJet and someone who was given a chance by the company I hope it continues to grow and succeed.
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If being offered a DEC at easy, but turning it down counts, then yep, I've been there and done that.
Got a very nice job. But thanks for your concern!
If being offered a DEC at easy, but turning it down counts, then yep, I've been there and done that.
Got a very nice job. But thanks for your concern!
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Talk about T&Cs all you want, but I bet there are plenty of folks flying for Eastern, Loganair and other similar operators who are fed up of flying turboprops and seeing 200h blokes and blokesses get jobs on shiny jets.
I'll bet that, in the absence of other commitments (kids in school etc), this could represent the "big break" for quite a lot of those folks, and you could offer them a Victorian Chimney Sweep's Apprentice style T&Cs and they'd bite your hand off.
I'll bet that, in the absence of other commitments (kids in school etc), this could represent the "big break" for quite a lot of those folks, and you could offer them a Victorian Chimney Sweep's Apprentice style T&Cs and they'd bite your hand off.
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Wx man - agreed.
Opportunities to go from turboprop to jet are rare enough so a majority of the crew will have applied. - especially for a jet job to remain in the UK.
Can't see any of the line trainers or TRE's applying tho as pay cut and funding a type rating won't interest them one bit. But can see a healthy number of line captains and FO's going for this.
Only jet job opportunity at the moment that seems to be taking steady numbers away is at fly-Dubai and that's not an option for everyone with a family if your not willing to move out of the Country.
Opportunities to go from turboprop to jet are rare enough so a majority of the crew will have applied. - especially for a jet job to remain in the UK.
Can't see any of the line trainers or TRE's applying tho as pay cut and funding a type rating won't interest them one bit. But can see a healthy number of line captains and FO's going for this.
Only jet job opportunity at the moment that seems to be taking steady numbers away is at fly-Dubai and that's not an option for everyone with a family if your not willing to move out of the Country.
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I applied for it. For me this can be a good opportunity to switch from the military to civilian and gain a type rating and hours in a common type of jet.
PIC in a C17 does not make the airlines line up for you, I noticed
So I see it as a future investment in a good airline career. Sure the contract is probably not the best and I have to take a pay cut but at least I gain proper experience in the airline industry. This might count for more guys out there flying T-props or at less stable airlines.
PIC in a C17 does not make the airlines line up for you, I noticed
So I see it as a future investment in a good airline career. Sure the contract is probably not the best and I have to take a pay cut but at least I gain proper experience in the airline industry. This might count for more guys out there flying T-props or at less stable airlines.
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What everyone who succeeds at the process needs to do is subsequently decline the job in solidarity with their other "successful" colleagues.
And watch yourself all get an instant £10K pay rise as EZY management realise we can actually get together and look after each other.
And watch yourself all get an instant £10K pay rise as EZY management realise we can actually get together and look after each other.