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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

Old 31st Mar 2013, 14:15
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It amazes me that so many pilots still firmly believe that by accepting whatever terms and conditions that EasyJet, offer they can fast track their career. This is why the industry is screwed as a place to work. This job seems to be the fast track to nowhere. Pay for a TR, maybe take a pay cut, work as casual labour with no sick pay or other benefits, move base to a very expensive area and sure enough in a few years time you'll be on a full Captains contract with great T's&C's. If not, just use that valuable TR and A320 time to move to one of the many other A320 operators all offering the big bucks.

I can understand 21 year old cadets believing this little fairytale but it is frightening how many ATPL holders believe this too. EasyJet are arrogant enough to believe that they can employ whom they for whatever they want to pay. In reality, they are just likely to recruit the most naive and foolish pilots and that may well prove to be EasyJet's undoing in the long run.

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Old 31st Mar 2013, 14:29
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.....but what exactly is on offer? On EasyJet's recent record, it is not going to be good.
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 15:25
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On offer is the NEC (New Entrant Contract), basically what has already been offered to all the Flexicrew guys (coming from CTC and Parc) who have achieved at least 2 years flying easyjet planes on the 1st of April 2013.
The NEC differs from the old contract because:
- the loyalty pay has been replaced by a Performance Based Scheme that pays a bonus only if the airline meets the targets that management sets for themselves at the beginning of the financial year (5% on target 10% stretched)
- Fixed roster pattern (5 earlies on 3 days off 5 lates on 4 days off) has been replaced by Random roster for the 100% pay. If you want 5-3-5-4 you will get 90% pay and as far as I've understood (I can well be wrong) you don't get to ask for one or the other, they offer it to you and then later on you may be able to ask for something else.
- Basic contract is on a 75% basis 75% pay, IE 100% in the summer 50% in the winter. Again they offer it to you, you don't get to choose. So far in LGW people have been offered a variety of 100% Random or 90% fixed pattern but on a Full time base, no 75% as far as I know, but again in smaller/other bases this could be different but the STANDARD is 75% if you get 100% FRV is a bonus. (Bear in mind that fixed pattern on a 75% is effectively 90% of it, so 67.5% of the basic salary)
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 15:42
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Sod that. They basically removed any reason for rated/experienced guys wanting to join them. Nevertheless I still think it's a good development that they are hiring in this way and are not just taking freshly baked 200 hours lads and lassies from flightschool, because at the end of the day experienced prop drivers need to have some sort of civilized entry into the jets.
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 15:52
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I don't think there will be any issues filling the spaces. If they want 200 of these "experienced" drivers then Easyjet could clean up at Flybe overnight even with this contract on offer. Alot of very frustrated Flybe drivers (Q400 & EJet) would be looking to move on at long last. With the threat of redundancy hanging over alot of our heads I think most would be willing to fund a type rating somehow. Let's face it, the Airbus rating is king nowadays and if there's a chance of a permanent contract on the back of it then they'll find the money.
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 18:36
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Ok, I'm going to go on a tangent now:

So with regards to the factoring of hours in order to achieve SFO positions. I believe that to get an SFO position that you need somewhere in the region of 2000 factored hours? And is there a minimum basis of operating hours achieved on easyJet aircraft before an SFO position is offered? Equally, is there really any advantage in this in terms of pay/T&Cs?

I was wondering if somebody would be able to advise the factoring scheme on this?

For example, say I have 3000 hours on heavy turboprops - what does this come out to?

Sorry if this seems a bit of a rapid fire question post!
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 18:49
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Assuming the contract is the same with no changes to the details I have, you'd need 2500 factored hours (multiply yours by 0.7 if you're an FO) and 2 years service to become an SFO.

eJ may accept a few with less service to become SFO in favour of experience but realistically, they don't need to given the demand.

Edit: that factoring assumes multicrew airline turboprop hours. Basic pay rises to 55120 exc sector pay.

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Old 31st Mar 2013, 19:48
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As well as the turbo-prop chaps, the appeal is also for those who have been forced abroad through job-loss in the last 3 years and would love to come home and appreciate the security offered...some of my ex colleagues from TOM will also be Airbus rated at QR and bond free...and all very experienced...

Until you've juggled a travelling life/taken family's to live in Doha, quite frankly, the so called gamble of 2 years Flexi is just insignificant and gives an appreciation of what matters in life...

Big picture stuff, between MON & EZY, (Jet2 doesn't count until they start to take pilots seriously!) this is just good news for all UK pilots...bring it on!
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 19:52
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According a company Q&A the new entrant conditions for SFO (>2500 factored hours) are:
"Including basic pay and sector pay (based on 322 nominal sectors) the gross earnings would be approximately 46,884 plus a further 2,894 pension contribution from the third month onwards "
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 20:38
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SpGO quotes the adjusted figure for a 75% contract inc sector pay.

55,120 is basic 100% FRV salary.
90% of that if you're offered 5354 fixed pattern
75% of that if you're given part time (full time summer, part time winter)
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 20:45
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That sounds much more reasonable for anyone joining with more than 2500 factored hours.

Do you know if the other nice things like the share save scheme would be available after the third month?
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 21:00
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Hi 99jolegg, what do use to factor for heavy TP Captain Hours when factoring for SFO?? is it 0.8??
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 21:03
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I may be missing the point but why should 5/3/5/4 on a full time roster attract a 10% pay cut.
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Old 31st Mar 2013, 21:39
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Because 5-3/5-4 offers less flexibility.
The only contract which is on offer at the moment is the 75% one.
If you join next year you will have 300ish 75-ers waiting for a 90 or 100% in front of you.
I wouldn't count on more than the quoted figure for the first 3-4 years.
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Old 1st Apr 2013, 08:41
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SD,

Remember that's an SFO position that you will more than likely be required to have 2 years service for. That's the deal for flexicrew going on to this deal.

As SpGO says, it'll more than likely be 75% contracts. eJ have been offering 100% so far to ex-flexicrew as far as I'm aware but will likely change in the coming months once they fill their quota.

hardcase,

0.8 if it's for an airline or 0.7 if it's not.
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Old 10th Apr 2013, 19:59
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I've heard from a good source, easyjet have received over 2500 applicants for 200 positions.

Good luck to all involved
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 11:18
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Yes and I have heard it from a source that the people they are going to recruit are not those where English is their mother tongue......
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 11:28
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I'm sorry guys, maybe I missed it, but how's the Type Rating paid by the applicant? Is it in form of bond or direct bank transfer?
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 16:43
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Yes and I have heard it from a source that the people they are going to recruit are not those where English is their mother tongue......
@Rhino, could you give us a bit more info? Where did this info originate? Any ideas which nationality will be preferred?
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 21:02
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It is simple WX man,

BALPA wrote a nice and quite reasonable letter on behalf of their members but the board are just not interested, in fact they have decided they quite like the Ryanair model ergo lets recruit some nice desperate Europeans.

Ryanair....stab you in the front.....easyJet.....stab you in the back....
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