Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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At least you have the good grace to remain civil, whilst admitting that the captain contract formed part of the NEC negotiations.
However, it's obviously on the table as the main target for management to change.
I will maintain my position. The captain contract for the current NEC joiners will not be the same as your current, relatively generous offering. That will be a critical moment for existing easyJet SFO's, as they will be affected even if current captains are not.
Everyone can feel free to hurl insults, but that is my viewpoint and I will happily stick to it.
However, it's obviously on the table as the main target for management to change.
I will maintain my position. The captain contract for the current NEC joiners will not be the same as your current, relatively generous offering. That will be a critical moment for existing easyJet SFO's, as they will be affected even if current captains are not.
Everyone can feel free to hurl insults, but that is my viewpoint and I will happily stick to it.
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I'm guessing that striking was not an option due to the fact that flexi crew were not employees of easy. However, as NR says, and I'm inclined to think the same way, management will probably offer a less appealing contract to these newcomers when it's time to move to the LHS. I believe this because at day one they have hooked those pilots willing to accept poor terms. They now know the calibre of the new flexi crew (I understand there maybe 10 of the 200 offered a perm position). So of course they will "try their arm" when it comes to promotion, profits are priority (even though they say its safety, hahaha).
So, as these flexi crew will now definitely be permanent employees (having served their 12 months flexi crew probation) ADM and peers will be happy and legal to strike to make sure their new peers are receiving the same pay for the same job. So I guess we'll see strike action at easy in 2-3 years
So, as these flexi crew will now definitely be permanent employees (having served their 12 months flexi crew probation) ADM and peers will be happy and legal to strike to make sure their new peers are receiving the same pay for the same job. So I guess we'll see strike action at easy in 2-3 years
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For the record, I have been offered a permanent SO position, with a start date in Feb and LGW base. This is NOT a CTC/flexi contract, nor some pseudo 1 year probation period. It's a full time position.
1 year as SO, straight into FO at 1 year anniversary, and straight into SFO at second year anniversary (because I will meet all factored easyJet hours, as per their policy appendices).
NTR, 2900hrs regional TP as FO.
I, for one, am excited to be starting...
1 year as SO, straight into FO at 1 year anniversary, and straight into SFO at second year anniversary (because I will meet all factored easyJet hours, as per their policy appendices).
NTR, 2900hrs regional TP as FO.
I, for one, am excited to be starting...
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GTIIB, I believe you will have to fly 2 years as FO before becoming an SFO. So SFO after 3 years in the company. Command 2-4 years after that, if things pan out.
It will be interesting to see if Narrow Runway gets into Jet2, since he has applied there, and whether it is as good as he thinks it is.
It will be interesting to see if Narrow Runway gets into Jet2, since he has applied there, and whether it is as good as he thinks it is.
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It always pays to have a look at what is on offer in the market.
I am a realist in respect of what Jet2, or any other companies offer. It is by no means certain that I'd be offered even an interview at Jet2, or if offered a job whether I'd be in a position to accept. Who knows?
My life is a very pleasant one. I fly 2 very much in demand types currently and I'm happy to carry on doing so. One just like yours at easyJet and one lovely, long haul corporate jet. I must be doing something right though, surely?
But where did I ever say I was a good pilot? Or that I professed myself to be so?
Just because I have differing opinions to you, doesn't mean that I think I'm a better pilot than anyone else. To even suggest that is simply risible.
I've seen the reality of deteriorating terms and conditions in our industry over the last 15 years.
Unfortunately, I don't think we've reached the bottom yet and I consider the recent recruitment events at easyJet to vindicate my viewpoint entirely.
I am a realist in respect of what Jet2, or any other companies offer. It is by no means certain that I'd be offered even an interview at Jet2, or if offered a job whether I'd be in a position to accept. Who knows?
My life is a very pleasant one. I fly 2 very much in demand types currently and I'm happy to carry on doing so. One just like yours at easyJet and one lovely, long haul corporate jet. I must be doing something right though, surely?
But where did I ever say I was a good pilot? Or that I professed myself to be so?
Just because I have differing opinions to you, doesn't mean that I think I'm a better pilot than anyone else. To even suggest that is simply risible.
I've seen the reality of deteriorating terms and conditions in our industry over the last 15 years.
Unfortunately, I don't think we've reached the bottom yet and I consider the recent recruitment events at easyJet to vindicate my viewpoint entirely.
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Ahh - I've just re-read the appendix and it's badly worded, or at least, easy to misinterpret.
I understood it was 2 year employed - not 2 years "employed as FO". Either way, that's still pretty quick in the grand scheme of things.
I think my point was more that permanent positions were available in UK bases, more than yearly progression statistics. But hey ho. I'm happy
I understood it was 2 year employed - not 2 years "employed as FO". Either way, that's still pretty quick in the grand scheme of things.
I think my point was more that permanent positions were available in UK bases, more than yearly progression statistics. But hey ho. I'm happy
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A lot has been said on this topic.
From what I gathered, I suppose that, if they really liked you during the assessment, you were offered a permanent SO, FO or SFO position, depending on experience (and maybe also performance during the assessment??...)
If you met the requirements but they want to make sure you are a good fit for the company, you were probably offered a 1 year contract, with a "frozen" permanent position waiting for you, depending on how your first year goes. I'm guessing a very high number of people will perform well enough and end up on a permanent contract, anyway.
Those saying this 1 year contract with the company is a permanent position, are simply playing with words. I think it is a step in the right direction, don't get me wrong. It is a contract with easyJet! But I can' accept that, having to go through another interview at the end of the contract, the company decides to call it a permanent position. It might become that - and probably will - but you are most definitely on a one year contract!
Having said that, it is a smart way of easyJet filtering a few possible mistakes during the initial assessment... There's always a couple of bad apples making it through the interviews and sim.
And my advice to those being offered this 1 year contract and feeling insulted, because they feel they are excellent and experienced pilots (with 10.000h on the Space Shuttle or whatever "experienced" is these days) is to prepare yourselves better next time.
Apparently there were real permanent contracts on offer here. Just not to everyone...
From what I gathered, I suppose that, if they really liked you during the assessment, you were offered a permanent SO, FO or SFO position, depending on experience (and maybe also performance during the assessment??...)
If you met the requirements but they want to make sure you are a good fit for the company, you were probably offered a 1 year contract, with a "frozen" permanent position waiting for you, depending on how your first year goes. I'm guessing a very high number of people will perform well enough and end up on a permanent contract, anyway.
Those saying this 1 year contract with the company is a permanent position, are simply playing with words. I think it is a step in the right direction, don't get me wrong. It is a contract with easyJet! But I can' accept that, having to go through another interview at the end of the contract, the company decides to call it a permanent position. It might become that - and probably will - but you are most definitely on a one year contract!
Having said that, it is a smart way of easyJet filtering a few possible mistakes during the initial assessment... There's always a couple of bad apples making it through the interviews and sim.
And my advice to those being offered this 1 year contract and feeling insulted, because they feel they are excellent and experienced pilots (with 10.000h on the Space Shuttle or whatever "experienced" is these days) is to prepare yourselves better next time.
Apparently there were real permanent contracts on offer here. Just not to everyone...
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So your an experienced pilot who is excited to pay 24k for a type rating to go on a salary of 38k a year?
Wow.
Wow.
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I've kept my posts to a minimum and I agree that certain topics on this thread are getting rather long in the tooth. After a lot of communication with easyJet I wanted to try and clarify, one last time, what has been offered.
On offer for the UK were two options, depending on assessment performance.
Flexi crew for 12 months with CTC then the possibility of permanent at the end of the 12 months. This is subject to completion of a second assessment and satisfactory performance over the year.
The other option is permanent employee from day one with the first 12 months as SO fixed at £38k with no sector pay. After 12 months move over to the FO pay scales.
As a permanent employee you can only join a UK base, so far only LGW offered to my knowledge, on a SO contract. It is not possible to go straight in as an FO or SFO. Obviously this is all applicable to non type rated guys!
On offer for the UK were two options, depending on assessment performance.
Flexi crew for 12 months with CTC then the possibility of permanent at the end of the 12 months. This is subject to completion of a second assessment and satisfactory performance over the year.
The other option is permanent employee from day one with the first 12 months as SO fixed at £38k with no sector pay. After 12 months move over to the FO pay scales.
As a permanent employee you can only join a UK base, so far only LGW offered to my knowledge, on a SO contract. It is not possible to go straight in as an FO or SFO. Obviously this is all applicable to non type rated guys!
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What facts?
This whole debate is about possibilities or probabilities.
In the world where I live, I'm free to speak openly and express opinion. It's called expressing a democratic right.
Debate serves to expand the mind. You may want to try it some day. Normally there are two sides in a debate though, so you may need to get used to that part.
Let's see where this all heads in a while from now.
Good luck to all.
What facts?
This whole debate is about possibilities or probabilities.
In the world where I live, I'm free to speak openly and express opinion. It's called expressing a democratic right.
Debate serves to expand the mind. You may want to try it some day. Normally there are two sides in a debate though, so you may need to get used to that part.
Let's see where this all heads in a while from now.
Good luck to all.
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Narrow Runway - just to clarify, nothing in my reply accepts that easyJet tried or is going to try and reduce Captains' terms and conditions. It is totally self-evident that any employer only wants to pay what it can get away with. The key thing is what protections are in place - we have a lot and an undoubted willingness to fight any changes of the sort you believe will happen. A discussion of this kind is like saying, 'The reason an atom bomb did not drop at 2.00pm this afternoon was that two fairies appeared at the bottom of my garden'. It is not really provable one way or the other, and the statement therefore has to be evaluated on the balance of probabilities or past experience. All I can say is that at this stage, easyJet management are openly saying they will not attack UK Captains' salaries. We can debate this until the cows come home - that is what is being said and I see no change in sight. As an aside, I have personally heard it said among the highest easyJet managers that 'UK salaries are about right'. You can obviously choose to believe what you want about that, but at this stage all I can say is that I stand by my view that for the foreseeable future UK Captains' salaries are safe.
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Justagigolo77. You are rapidly getting a reputation as bad as NR's. that of being delusional.
"Tossed aside"? Better to look a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt. Speak not of what you haven't a clue about.
"Tossed aside"? Better to look a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt. Speak not of what you haven't a clue about.
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The significance of this one line will not be lost on some:
Paraphrased, should it say
"As long as you don't touch Captain's contracts, offer what you like to new-joiners?"
Suffice to say, I know first-hand this is not an easy industrial issue to deal with, but I'm curious....
Despite the ramblings of Narrow Runway and his mad mates, the Captain contract is still 100% intact, which was a critical concession easyJet had to bite the bullet over.
"As long as you don't touch Captain's contracts, offer what you like to new-joiners?"
Suffice to say, I know first-hand this is not an easy industrial issue to deal with, but I'm curious....