Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

[flieng]

Shame on them

Its almost unbelievable some of the conversations about the possible terms and conditions with this outfit almost akin to shady deals done with second hand car salesman or loan sharks. The full t and c,s should be fully transparent fair and equitable, i.e they pay for the training(a bond) and pay a market rate for the job and pay toward a pension. It would appear that Monarch will still do this and treat our profession with the respect it deserves. I really think one would have to desperate to work for this Company, if its all smoke and mirrors from the outset what will be like once you,re in?

[wind check]

C'mon guy of gisborne, this recruitment is open to 1500 tt with 500 multicrew experience that can be reached on a king air. Do you call it experience?

There are plenty of qatar, emirates, wizzair crews available with a real experience, easyjet is you. They just want some guys willing to pay for a type rating, remember THIS WAS PART OF THE REQUIERMENTS to apply.

Yes Monarch offers better terms, and so what?

Easyjet is a low cost airlines that is following the Ryanair way.

[RHINO]

Yes it would be really helpful if someone has the T and C's that Easy are offering with this recruitment.

[EdnaClouds]

wind check, as mentioned before on here, the wording was be prepared.

That still isn't to say you will have to.

[Panther1984]

Does anyone have any constructive information about the next stage with reference to interview/group exercise etc. Any heads up information or helpful direction would be much appreciated.

[WhyByFlier]

And your point is?

I believe Guy of Gisborne is ex military. If they could do it perhaps he could put pride behind him and do the same.

Ultimately my point was, with the greatest of respect, do what you like - everyone else will.

EasyJet will expect you to pay for the type rating. If you aren't expecting that you may wish to work on your SA a little.

[wind check]

Please only apply if you have the following minimum requirements:

· ATPL (Frozen)
· Minimum 1500 TT Hours
· Minimum 500 hrs. 5700kgs Multi-Crew & Turbine experience
· Right to Live and Work in Europe
· Airline environment experience
· UK EASA license (or converted by start date)
· Class 1 unrestricted medical
· Willing to self-sponsor type rating

On completion and submission of your application, we will contact you outlining the next steps of the process as soon as possible.

Next steps involve the completion of online tests and a personality profile, followed by invitation to an assessment centre and sim assessment for successful applicants.

[Fair_Weather_Flyer]

Just play along with them for now, go to the interview and see what is offered. If you make it through, you will end up in a holdpool and for some unknown period of time. If and when they call you again, you can always say. "thanks but what you are asking from me is not viable." Maybe five people have already told them that in the previous hour. That is when they will have a rethink. If they don't change their mind, at least you will have had the option, done the right thing and got some interview sim experience if BA call.

Look at Jet2. Offering a combination of dodgy deals, good deals and everything in between. If enough people turn them down they will up the deal. It's a bit like haggling for double glazing. If you want it bad, prepare to be shafted! If you are prepared to walk away.....who knows?

[RAFAT]

They just want some guys willing to pay for a type rating, remember THIS WAS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS (corrected) to apply.

Yes it was fairly clear from the outset that it was a self-funded rating, exactly why I wouldn't consider applying to EZY, and didn't.

[Piloto2011]

Frankly I find it hard to believe that some of the high hour guys in the run will accept having to pay for the rating when most of them are already earning a decent salary elsewhere. Let alone giving up their command.

So let's spin this a little further.

eJ have eventually completed the process of filtering out their 100 preferred candidates, a laborious task costing the company a fair bit of money. Mind you, those 100 the ones meant to increase the level of experience. Some time later those 100 people eventually receive the long-awaited call to start training.

I understand a highly unlikely scenario, but what if all of those 100 (and perhaps also the additional 20 eJ have screened on top of the 100 to safeguard against losing people seeking other opportunities in the meantime) suddenly cool off and one by one is turning them down when being asked to pay for the rating?

[flyer19832007]

Found this, not sure if anyone has already posted it. It is for CTC Flexi crew,
if it's going to be this expensive (depending on whether Ez cover anything) I doubt (would think those in Employment already and not in a huge rush to join Ez unless the terms are half decent) would be turning it down.

It is out of date, but I cant find anything more recent.....

http://www.ctcaviation.com/pdfs/Self...ting_Apr11.pdf

[wind check]

easyJet is a business.

Ryanair do not need experience crews and will never pay for a type rating, unless you are an experienced captain joining on the LHS. This system WORKS.

Same in Wizzair, same in Vueling, same everywhere.

Nowdays, if you want to have an A320 type rating or a B737NG type rating I am affraid you will have to pay for it. If you don't then hundred of other people will, and that's it. Gold old days are over.

All the rest is .

[vinscaf]

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Any idea on how many guys are going for stage 2???

[flyer19832007]

If you don't then hundred of other people will, and that's it.

I am under no illusion that this will not be the case. I am merely stating that most (not all) experienced folk will most likely go through the entire process, assess the offer and conditions before making an informed decision as to whether to take the job or not.

Yes the application criteria states,

· Willing to self-sponsor type rating

however, it does not state... YOU MUST TAKE THE JOB. Many wont, unless you are inexperienced (In the Airline world) and looking for your first Job....or moving from a TP operator to fly an orange Jet.

I think it is a fair point to say that judging by previous posts, there is a mixed bag of people successful at this stage, and I am sure that for those this offer suits, will take it, while others will most likely be happy where they are.


I divulge, back on topic......anyone with any insight into the next steps, please step forward. Any insight appreciated so we can find out what the ACTUAL Ts and Cs are ;-)

Good luck to all in moving forward in the process.

[EcamSurprise]

T&Cs of the job should be the NEC which was agreed earlier this year.

Highlighted earlier on in this thread I think.

if it's going to be this expensive (depending on whether Ez cover anything) I doubt (would think those in Employment already and not in a huge rush to join Ez unless the terms are half decent) would be turning it down.

That looks quite cheap compared to what the SSTR guys paid a few years back before flexi crew was the main stream.

[wind check]

You are a dreamer.

Lots of people will think it is a pretty good deal to pay around 20k for an A320 type rating with a 2 years contract behind (1500+ ontype), and with a possibility to get a permanent job afterward.

Once again, if the deal was so good they would then advertise for very experienced pilots, with thousands of hours on Airbus family. Not very difficult to find at the moment.

I am sorry but 1500 hours total with 500 hours multi crew on a 5.7 T aircraft is not what we would call " an experienced profile".

Man, you applied for a self sponsor type rating scheme, but you don't want to open your eyes.

[EcamSurprise]

Lots of people will think it is a pretty good deal to pay around 20k for an A320 type rating with a 2 years contract behind (1500+ ontype), and with a possibility to get a permanent job afterward.

Agreed.
A secure permanent job at that.

Once again, if the deal was so good they would then advertise for very experienced pilots, with thousands of hours on Airbus family. Not very difficult to find at the moment.

I am sorry but 1500 hours total with 500 hours multi crew on a 5.7 T aircraft is not what we would call " an experienced profile"

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No but they are looking at a mixed bag of profiles from low hours to many.
Don't forget they have done 'very experienced' recruiting previous were a lot of the guys jumped into the LHS after six months. Maybe this profile is based on that experience and the need for more 'mouldable' characters.


For those wanting T&C information, here is a post earlier in the thread...

There are two different 'recruitment' drives going on - this external one and the getting flexi crews who are eligible to sign up to permanent contracts (which has been on going for European contracts for many years).
The external drive is to balance up the experience levels within the company and has also been talked about in conduction with the internal changes.

The permanent contract is not a 2 year contract, but a permanent permeant position.. however a flexi crew would would have to complete 2 years as flexi crew prior to be eligible for the perm position and complete 1250 easyjet factored hours.

The contract is subject to a 10% performance bonus, pension, shares, sick pay, leave, transfers, commuting + staff travel etc as all the other 'traditional' permanent positions are and which flexi crew do not get to enjoy previously.

The lower pay is mostly because it is a part time offering with three options:
75% contract (100 in summer, 50 in winter)
100% FRV roster contract and
90% pay, 100% work 5453 roster

The later two are bidable and the percentage is taken from the 'traditional' permanent first officer pay scales available on PPJN.


There are also many European contracts available in France, Germany, Lisbon and Italy which again are all a bit different.
For example a SFOs basic in France is around 80k and in Germany around 65k plus sectors / shift allowances etc.

As the company doesn't run on seniority, you will be able to go onto a waiting list for another base (or indeed the command once you've completed the minimum required sims) and get your place on the effectively first come, first serve system, which I imagine would be most interesting for you if you're coming from a command elsewhere.

Hope that gives an insight and may adjust your allusions slightly, and to show you that whilst this New Entrant Contract does have different pay scales, it is very very different from the Flexi crew deals.

(The NEC is what is presumed to be offered.. )

[McMax]

How many OFF days during 50% winter period (on a 75% contract) may be expected?

If a have an european contract (French, Germany...) where do I have to pay taxes?

Any idea for which bases they will recruit?

[Pick me Flybe!]

Full time summer, 2 weeks on 2 weeksoff in the winter (November to March I believe) on a random roster.

If your recruited on the New entrant contract I think it is only applicable to the UK bases. If you get anywhere other than Gatwick will be surprising.

[Alexander de Meerkat]

Chaps - nobody knows what the deal is going to be, and most certainly no one on here. I understand why some people are getting into a frenzy, but there is almost no one on this thread who knows anything about easyJet and even less who know anything about likely contracts. Sit back and wait is my advice - it will all become clear in the fullness of time.