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Ditto, I got there at 7:30 and was number 12. Front security give you a number so its quite civilised. By the time the licensing desk opened at 8:30 there were 24 people. I got my licence at 1pm.
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Be warned. I turned up there a couple of days ago to convert my JAA CPL/IR to a EASA ATPL and was told it would be posted back to me in about two weeks as they do not offer same day service to upgrade a licence, only to revalidate/re-issue them. A wasted journey for myself. 
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consequently in order to ensure that your licence is definitely considered as valid the CAA say that it should not be cut up. If you then choose to cut up your licence (despite advice from the CAA to the contrary) and a flight gets delayed then it probably will not be viewed favourably by your employer.
Which is why I suspect the only time it will be an issue will be when Gatwick gets its hands on your license.
Someone did actually send an email out last time to all the NAA's about the UK JAR license getting chopped up. It was mentioned by a ramp inspection to me as mine was. They then laughed and sent me on my way. After a "well how the
else is it meant to fit in the holder" Unfortuantely the UK CAA doesn't seem to realise that actually they are alot of the time seen as the laughing stock of the other NAA's.
Harsh but they do seem to concentrate on the niff naff and triva which is cheap instead of issues that really affect flight safety.
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Harsh but they do seem to concentrate on the niff naff and triva which is cheap instead of issues that really affect flight safety.
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UK JAR FCL ATPL--> EASA ATPL conversion rejected due to ELP
Hello you all,
I'm a UK CAA JAR FCL ATPL holder and my license has to be re-issued by May 15. Due to the large amounts of conversion applications I thought I will do it on time.
Today I received my application back from the CAA with the memo that the re-issuing was denied because my ELP was assessed by an non-UK examiner. The CAA refers to CAP 804 Sec 4 - part M and indeed it states that from September 2012 ELP should be assessed by an UK Examiner. The thing is my ELP skill test was done in March 2011! Back than the UK CAA refused to issue me a new license with the Level 6 proficiency and informed me I had to wait for a new license till the official license re-issue date.
How can it be that new regulations will effect old qualification in retrospect?
Any one with the same experience?
Cheers!
I'm a UK CAA JAR FCL ATPL holder and my license has to be re-issued by May 15. Due to the large amounts of conversion applications I thought I will do it on time.
Today I received my application back from the CAA with the memo that the re-issuing was denied because my ELP was assessed by an non-UK examiner. The CAA refers to CAP 804 Sec 4 - part M and indeed it states that from September 2012 ELP should be assessed by an UK Examiner. The thing is my ELP skill test was done in March 2011! Back than the UK CAA refused to issue me a new license with the Level 6 proficiency and informed me I had to wait for a new license till the official license re-issue date.
How can it be that new regulations will effect old qualification in retrospect?
Any one with the same experience?
Cheers!
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Dimiair,
Which centre you took the test? Was it an official TEA mayflower college centre?
I think that if you take the test in a recognized Tea centre they shouldnt make any problem.
Which centre you took the test? Was it an official TEA mayflower college centre?
I think that if you take the test in a recognized Tea centre they shouldnt make any problem.
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the next step.
Firstly, l apologise for wanting something on my first post.
lf anyone is prepared to walk me through this "hand in hand", l would be very grateful.
My flying job evaporated in 2009 but my type rating continued until the end of that year.
That was a uk atpl licence converted to jaa previously, as a brit born and bred.
ln July 2010 l "invested" £3k in renewing my licence , in the hope of finding work. Type rating and l/R.
The detail of which could be amusing, but is certainly not relevent.
Didn`t work. ( yes, but have you flown the type within the last 6 months?)
On reading this thread l checked my jaa atpl to find that " this licence is to be re-issued not later than 05/02/2013".
l`m not short of hours, or unfortunately years, but l would venture that common sense has always been more of an ambition than a reality.
l seem to have been pedalling so furiously to keep a roof over my head that l missed what was going on.
l have little disposable income, who has these days ?, and wonder just how to avoid losing that little green book.
After all, it took blood,sweat,and tears to get it.
lf anyone is prepared to walk me through this "hand in hand", l would be very grateful.
My flying job evaporated in 2009 but my type rating continued until the end of that year.
That was a uk atpl licence converted to jaa previously, as a brit born and bred.
ln July 2010 l "invested" £3k in renewing my licence , in the hope of finding work. Type rating and l/R.
The detail of which could be amusing, but is certainly not relevent.
Didn`t work. ( yes, but have you flown the type within the last 6 months?)
On reading this thread l checked my jaa atpl to find that " this licence is to be re-issued not later than 05/02/2013".
l`m not short of hours, or unfortunately years, but l would venture that common sense has always been more of an ambition than a reality.
l seem to have been pedalling so furiously to keep a roof over my head that l missed what was going on.
l have little disposable income, who has these days ?, and wonder just how to avoid losing that little green book.
After all, it took blood,sweat,and tears to get it.
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It was done at the Oxford Flight Academy in Stockholm together with a Swedish Assessor. This examiner was assigned by the Swedish CAA and conform ICAO doc 9835.
There are thousands of pilots who conducted this test, whilst flying on UK licenses, in there countries of residence. Are they all to retake this proficiency test? I enjoy (
) an UK license, but I never took the IR skill test, like many others, with an UK examiner. Do we all have to re-assessed on this as well???
I do understand in full that the CAA will use the EASA transition to polish up the requirements but I can't imagine the office is resorting to retrospective laws or regulations.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts...1_21122012.pdf
There are thousands of pilots who conducted this test, whilst flying on UK licenses, in there countries of residence. Are they all to retake this proficiency test? I enjoy (
) an UK license, but I never took the IR skill test, like many others, with an UK examiner. Do we all have to re-assessed on this as well??? I do understand in full that the CAA will use the EASA transition to polish up the requirements but I can't imagine the office is resorting to retrospective laws or regulations.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts...1_21122012.pdf
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Jeeeeezz... wishing I found this thread a couple of weeks ago 
So I have this 'friend' (!) who received his licence conversion with shinny new type-rating the other week, 2 MONTHS LATE and not before a hell of a lot of phone calls & employer email to 'fast-track' (HA!) the application.
Anyway, what was the first thing said individual did on receiving the crappy little EASA thing? Well he pulled out the shinny scissors to make it fit in the provided wallet that's what...... seemed logical at the time
Thus my question: where does said individual stand on the legality of this? Currently hr-building towards an FI course, would oneself essentially be breaking the law flying on a 'null and void' licence just because it's no longer a single sheet of A4? Would hrs flown on a theoretically cut up licence be null & void??!? (not that anyone could prove the exact date that said document was snipped!!)
So I have this 'friend' (!) who received his licence conversion with shinny new type-rating the other week, 2 MONTHS LATE and not before a hell of a lot of phone calls & employer email to 'fast-track' (HA!) the application.
Anyway, what was the first thing said individual did on receiving the crappy little EASA thing? Well he pulled out the shinny scissors to make it fit in the provided wallet that's what...... seemed logical at the time
Thus my question: where does said individual stand on the legality of this? Currently hr-building towards an FI course, would oneself essentially be breaking the law flying on a 'null and void' licence just because it's no longer a single sheet of A4? Would hrs flown on a theoretically cut up licence be null & void??!? (not that anyone could prove the exact date that said document was snipped!!)
Can you order a new one today saying you lost your old one or threw it out by mistake... Perhaps it would be inadvisable to fly in the meantime. Can you go to Gatwick and get re-prints on the 1 day service (I read about earlier on in this thread so think it exists but perhaps i just made it up)?
I really think they should add a line to the letter that is sent along with the licence saying don't cut it up. As I assume is normal, mine came with lines pressed into the paper which makes the scissors so appealing! For anyone else thinking about cutting theirs up, absolutely do not do it and if you must, at least use a rotatrim instead of scissors
I really think they should add a line to the letter that is sent along with the licence saying don't cut it up. As I assume is normal, mine came with lines pressed into the paper which makes the scissors so appealing! For anyone else thinking about cutting theirs up, absolutely do not do it and if you must, at least use a rotatrim instead of scissors
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ln July 2010 l "invested" £3k in renewing my licence , in the hope of finding work. Type rating and l/R.
The detail of which could be amusing, but is certainly not relevent.
Didn`t work. ( yes, but have you flown the type within the last 6 months?)
On reading this thread l checked my jaa atpl to find that " this licence is to be re-issued not later than 05/02/2013".
The detail of which could be amusing, but is certainly not relevent.
Didn`t work. ( yes, but have you flown the type within the last 6 months?)
On reading this thread l checked my jaa atpl to find that " this licence is to be re-issued not later than 05/02/2013".
If you look at the CAA website I think you'll find you need to fill in a SRG 1104 form plus the EASA conversion form plus proof of ICAO level 6 and they will issue you an EASA license AND RENEW your ATPL.
I think you lose the written ATPL credits if you don't renew your IR within sevenyears.
Check the website and phone 01293 537700 - but make sure you phone at 9am sharp otherwise you'll be in a looong queue...!
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Rating issue to EASA Licence
I'm still confused about one day service that I'm planning to get. I'm living in Turkey. i'm gonna have IR conversion course in Spain (with EASA CPL in the pocket) then fly to Gatwick just after the course to get the rating done in one day (it could be 2-3 days, still works for me) is that possible? Or that could be just a dream 
Need some advice guys
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Need some advice guys
Thanks
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Cloud, are you a UK Licence holder having a multi engine IR endorsed on your existing EASA CPL issued by UK or are you the holder of a JAR CPL and wishing to convert this to EASA CPL and add the multi IR at the same time? The IR course in Spain is being done by a JAR training company and the check ride will need to be approved by the UK CAA according to CAP 804 with the examiner filling in the "self brief" at least 3 days before the actual test. If you already have the EASA Part FCL licence the addition of the IR should be completed in the same day, if not they post it back to your UK address. ( As UK Part FCL licence holders must have an address in UK)
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Thanks for the answer
Actually I am waiting for my Licence issue. It's going to be an EASA CPL/ME.
Only IR I have is FAA IR. that's why I have to have a conversion course. By the way, it's not necessary to be an UK citizen to hold an UK issued Licence. I did all my training in US in one of the UK CAA approved FTO. So I don't have any address in UK
Actually I am waiting for my Licence issue. It's going to be an EASA CPL/ME.
Only IR I have is FAA IR. that's why I have to have a conversion course. By the way, it's not necessary to be an UK citizen to hold an UK issued Licence. I did all my training in US in one of the UK CAA approved FTO. So I don't have any address in UK
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Ok it's clear that you can't get one day service for initial licence issue. I know that.
But my case is different. I will go to Gatwick with my EASA ME/CPL in my hand already, plus IR conversion course completion papers. Is that possible to get IR rating done to existing EASA CPL in same day?
But my case is different. I will go to Gatwick with my EASA ME/CPL in my hand already, plus IR conversion course completion papers. Is that possible to get IR rating done to existing EASA CPL in same day?
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CAA Website and Annex A to CAP 804 suggest that "Counter Service" is available for addition of IR to an Existing EASA Licence. Form SRG 1161 AND ALL the supporting documents must be in order or its a no-go. If your medical records are in the UK and you have a non-expiring ELP endorsement on your existing licence JAR CPL and the examiner has self briefed and the IR test was "approved" and all the other bits are in order it should be OK. You state you are living in Turkey? If you hold a JAR CPL with a JAR medical issued in Turkey, even if the medical is still current, you will need an EASA Part Med before your Part FCL Licence is issued. Check out CAA Website and SRG 1161, And Annex A CAP 804 to avoid delays.
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Thanks for info. Now I know that I can go for it. I have UK CAA issued Class-1 medical and icao level-4 certificate from mayflower collage which is approved from UK CAA.
By the way I'm going to Malaga AErodynamics to convert my IR to EASA one. Due to new EASA mess, I should check all the documents I need before fly to Gatwick.
In other hand many guys going to aerodynamics for IR conversion I hope and I expect that school has all necessary information and paperwork for students not to have any problem in Gatwick
By the way I'm going to Malaga AErodynamics to convert my IR to EASA one. Due to new EASA mess, I should check all the documents I need before fly to Gatwick.
In other hand many guys going to aerodynamics for IR conversion I hope and I expect that school has all necessary information and paperwork for students not to have any problem in Gatwick