EASA Licensing / FCL Gatwick

[de facto]

Mad-jock

The latter

[cloud_hunter]

I found this information in both CAA web site and CAP 804. It's clearly
states following:


The CAA offers a ‘Same Day’ counter service for the following:

Addition of a type or class rating to a flight crew licence
Renewal of a type or class rating to a flight crew licence
Removal of a restriction from a flight crew licence
Revalidation or Renewal of a flight crew licence
Change of address
Inclusion of an Instructor Rating
Removal of restrictions from the Instructor Rating


There is no mention to IR. Avenger, where did you see that Same day counter service is provided for addition of IR? I mean instrument rating, not instructor rating.

[Avenger]

Cloud, The list of "counter services" is not entirely accurate, for instance, change of address would now facilitate the issue of a new Part FCl licence if you had a JAR Licence as no more JAR licences are issued and thus would not be "same day" .The addition of a type rating is the same work as addition of an IR, i.e example B777 IR, and should be no problem provided all the paperwork is in order. It sounds like you are still waiting on the EASA licence and your IR course so you have time to email the FCL Web service and get an answer to avoid a wasted trip.

[cloud_hunter]

You are right I'm waiting for my EASA CPL. It' been 1 month since they received my application.

Sending e-mail is not even an option. Last time I sent and e-mail to CAA was 3 months ago and I'm still waiting for an answer. Actually even I forgot what was my mail about

[turbine100]

I had a ME/IR (Single Pilot), issued using the same day service. At the time, it was done within an hour.

[wiggy]

Last time I sent and e-mail to CAA was 3 months ago and I'm still waiting for an answer. Actually even I forgot what was my mail about

Hey get in line

I last e-mailed them 4 years ago and I'm still waiting for an answer...(I was chasing my previous e-mail..I never got an answer to that either..)

[Piloto2011]

I can confirm Gatwick seems to be crazy busy these days, as I'm also still waiting for a reply to two emails. I'm due sometime later this year.

Can people therefore please confirm conversion UK JAR with Class 1 to EASA is or is not possible "same day" in Gatwick?

Also, my present JAR license shows a non-UK address. On the day, would I have to produce a UK address for the app for EASA ticket?

Help much appreciated. Cheers.

[Kirks gusset]

Same day service is not available for conversion of JAR License to EASA or Issue of new EASA license. There is no need to have a UK address for the new EASA licence but as the UK will be your ' State of Licence Issue" your medical records must be held in the UK, if you had your last medical outside of the UK make sure that the records have been transferred to UK. Also check your ELP as shown on your licence is in accord with the requirements. Yes, Gatwick is very busy and priority according to need. It seems about 6 or 7 weeks guys are waiting at the moment.. I am not sure about the courier service outside of the UK! our guys from Turkey choose a " correspondence address" in UK.

[Artie Fufkin]

Same day service is not available for conversion of JAR License to EASA or Issue of new EASA license.

Really? I am recently back from Gatwick, having converted my JAR to EASA on the same day service.

Pretty quick service and great entertainment provided by the CTC cadets shouting loudly at anyone who would listen that they were getting an airbus rating put on their CPL. Quite cute really!

[Piloto2011]

Indeed some pilots out there make an interesting species...

Kirks, and others,

All my med revalidations since CPL issue have been done in the UK so should be no problem there. Now, my license does not show an EPL but I was told by the CAA lady on the phone sometime ago that I'd had level six. RT was done in the UK as part of my CPL course.

Another question is, if I show up in Gatwick with lapsed MEIR and Class 1 (by less than a year each), what is going to happen? Issue of EASA but ticket not valid unless medical renewed? Same rules apply as with JAR, i.e. Class 1 when lapses becomes Class 2, renewal by AME within five years or else full medical in Gatwick again? MEIR renewal to be done within five years after expiry or else full IR again?

Been flying on another license for a while now, so to save some cash let all lapse; only intend to renew all if a job offer in EASA land comes up but it seems will have to renew all before going to Gatwick, won't I?

Any thoughts / experiences?

[mad_jock]

You will have to have a valid class one and a class which may only be a sep class. To get an easa license issued.

The ir the old rules apply for theory.

But if the IR is lapsed you have to go to an ATO now after three months and there is recommended training before sitting the flight test even if you are flying the same aircraft for 900 hours a year. If you can find an ATO who has some common sense and is willing to ignore the moaning of the caa that they haven`t made you do the recommended training you will be lucky.

My MEP went to the wind 5 years ago and the last time i looked at getting it back. They wanted me to do the full rating again. Even though my dayjob is on a twin tp with steam instruments and no autopilot. So i reckon i would be paying to learn how condition levers work.

[falaloo]

easa cpl

dear all .

i sent my EASA ME CPL application 3 weeks ago to uk caa and after waiting for 3 weeks i decided to give them a call , the lady over the phone said to me that they sent me a letter through the mail and i don't know what she meant by and i asked her if my CPL is issued , she said i have to wait for the letter and for more enquire i have to send an email ....so any body know what that means ....?

im just worried about my application ...specially after spending all that money

[B737900er]

Is there still a backlog or has it been cleared now? Just sent in my books for a ATPL issue.

[Flying Wild]

B737 - I'd be interested in finding that our as I'm sure to send my docs and logbook in later in the summer.

[cloud_hunter]

Lost Application

I have a similar situation guys.
I sent my EASA ME CPL Licence Application forms 45 days ago. After 35 days since they received my application, i decided to give them a call to check the status of my application. Because i have to go to a IR conversion course. I need to arrange my trip&ticket&accomodation etc. anyway. They kindly informed me on the phone that my application is not on their system (it means they didnt receive it) The man on the phone told me they will check it out and let me know.

3-4 days passed. No one called. I called them again. They said: wait a little more, we know the issue, we are looking for it, will give you a call soon. He also said: probably your application has been received from another department and it must be somewhere in their offices.

Couple of days passed. Then some one called me from CAA and said: sir which application you have sent us? i answered. (EASA CPL and ME Add On) He also asked, where are you at the moment? in Turkey. Since i'm very well organised guy, i have made copy of all application forms and documents to keep it in hand just in case I also told him that if you want i can send them to you. He just said: i will call you back.

Couple of days passed without any call from CAA. I called them again. The man on the phone said: they know my situation, and they will call me back, i should wait until they call me. To be honest, they were all very polite and kind on the phone. I have no problem with this but this didnt solve the problem.

Now i'm sitting at home and waitinig with hundreds of questions in my mind.
What i have in my hand: Proof of delivery of application, date of receiving and copy of all application forms and documents.

I just wonder why they dont tell me that they lost my papers and request the copies of them from me and proceed with my licence issue?

I would be appreciated if somebody shares ideas with me who had similar problem with UK CAA.

is this situation rare or common over there?

[B737900er]

Welcome to the UK! We have the pleasure of paying for this and the prices go up each year as well.

I think it's an absolute joke that we now have to do an hours break down into every category you could think of for the ATPL issue. When before they did it.

I had no problem paying XXX as they had to sit there and do it, now I have to do it and for them to say ok thanks, but we can't issue it to you unless you cross the T's and dot the I's.

[Jetkopite]

The UK CAA is an absolute joke thats for sure...

I applied 3 months ago to get my EASA license and arranged here in Dubai to do my Sim check with a UK CAA approved examiner in order to get the B777 on that EASA license... After 2 months of NOT hearing anything I get an email stating that one outstanding document is missing in order to complete my application and that once they receive it they promise to process application on the same day. I get that document, fax it over and after numerous emails and calls to confirm they have received document and that its acceptable I get nowhere and no answers...
After a month of sending them that ONLY required document I get an email saying application is REJECTED to due a number of things not being acceptable... They were damn quick to get the fees from my credit card BUT took 3 months to tell me about a few outstanding details which did not make sense at all and now my paperwork is passed the 90 day validity and not sure what to do... I dont get how they can say they need ONLY one document to process application and then come up with a bunch of other crap out of the blue!!! Surely they can assess the application in one go and then tell you what is required rather than wasting 3 months drip feeding you????

I await to hear from the FCL manager after complaining about the service of one of his staff members who was dealing with my application... Watch this space!!!!!!

NOT a happy bunny!!!!

[EMB-145LR]

They are clueless. I spent 50 minutes on hold yesterday trying to get an answer to a very simple question. I'm currently flying the ERJ-145 on my FAA licence. I have two lapsed types on my UK licence. It's coming up to three years since the expiration date on both types. I wanted to know if I need to do an LPC, or whether I can just leave it, and if I left it and got hired by a European company in the next few years, would I be eligible to begin a new EASA type rating course without being current. A very dim woman answered who told me that she didn't know and I should check CAP804. I told her I'd already spent 4 hours trawling through it and there was no definitive answer. She just answered 'you'll be fine' and hung up. The place is a joke.

Don't suppose anyone has an answer to my original question do they?

[Boeingmann]

EMB-145LR

As I understand it if the type is within validity, i.e. 3 years from last LPC, all you need to do is another LPC to revalidate the type. Best ask the question from TRE on type you are interested in.

[littco]

But the rating lives for 5 years after expiry of lpc, so you're saying if your plc expired between 3-5 years ago you'll loose the rating? That surely can't be right? Under the new rules the rating remains on the license indefinitely I was led to believe only needing an lpc to make current again