SunExpress Recruitment

[cucuotto]

You are right. I don't work in Turkey thanks God but I heard stories of terrible English levels questionable training practices and knowledge as a consequence of this . I had friends there and I have also seen stuff. I remember more specifically a roster with a string of 4 days off starting after a 11.45 pm arrival and ending with a duty just after midnight on the last day. We have to compete with people accepting this **** cause they are coming from even ****tier places bringing down the all European aviation to third world standards. People that has no idea of what a decent lifestyle is..just looking into money �� at all costs . De Facto regardless comparing the AF accident at night in weather due to a confusing malfunction with the slamming on different runways of two perfectly functioning Airbuses is not really fair .Since you seem to call for political correctness you should be ashamed of your self.True this is Sunexpress forum but I have the feeling that the Turk operation is some how as crooked as the local parent company.

[APUinop]

"my friends say" and "I have a feeling that" are maybe not the best sources for information when going ballistic on bashing thousands of peoples' way of putting food on the table, on a public forum.

[Kirks gusset]

cucuotto, we can see your patent frustration with anything related to Turkish, nevertheless, as pointed out, this thread is about Sun Express, an airline you apparently now endorse as they are partly owned by lufthansa and enjoy the same safety rating:

Airline Ratings.

I assume, as they are "Germany based" you have removed SXD from your vitriol although founded by the Turkish operation, initially supported by the Turkish Operation and piloted by many from the Turkish operation? And of course Eurowings LH which will have some ex SXS Crew?

Are you suggesting that if a pilot operates from a German base they suddenly become more statistically safe than when the same pilot was flying in Turkey?

One assumes your point is the safety net of the EASA FTLS? As for seeing "stuff" yes we all see " stuff" especially through the bottom of a beer glass..

[cucuotto]

I don't drink my friend sorry to disappoint you. I must assume THY is now a lost cause as you are now into pumping option B Sun Express.The non type rated DEC DEFO deal must be a very good one for Parc/CAE...

[Clandestino]

Sun Express has never hired an agency to recruit the pilots on its behalf and has no plans to do so. Pilots sent by the agencies were accepted for testing as were those applying direct so one can cut the waiting time and spare some cash by going straight to HR.

Contracts that stipulate the penalties should be paid if pilot decides to leave early are both legal and enforceable - within Turkey's borders. There are folks who decided they will never, ever set their feet again on Turkey's soil so just left without goodbye. Then there was one who wanted to make clean exit so agreement was reached that working one year less than was contracted should cost him 21 000 € (quite less than originally agreed), payable by forfeiting deposit and working one month without pay.

Moving over to RYR makes financial sense if one already possesses some real estate near the expected base.

[Kirks gusset]

The life at SXS varies by base, AYT and ADB bases do mainly international legs with occasional domestic thrown in all in the SXS livery, whereas SAW and ESB bases are really just domestic Anadolu jet bases for THY operations and the going is tough. Many guys are leaving, even those in the upgrade process as the Anadolu jet operation out of SAW is crippling, the main reason guys want SAW is the connections to Europe. As mentioned, at the moment SXS is really only recruiting for ESB base where commute options are available, but Pegasus has muddied the waters by offering commute from SAW, albeit, 5 days unpaid plus use of 2 annual leave days.. At the moment SXS is one of the few that pay Captains in Euros and that can give a slight buffer. Some SAW based guys moved to AYT and ADB bases where more days off are given, on the other hand a fair few night flights are rostered. In terms of living costs, SAW is the most expensive option with rents twice Antalya and Izmir. Horses for courses..

[Clandestino]

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just wondering if you can speak fluent German and be happy living on 4K€ net as NTR DEC?

[furbpilot]

This job is really going nowhere. I don't find anybody else to blame than the pilot category that never did anything to safeguard its professional pride. The job hasn't changed we too often are. No pride no self respect only interested in our short term interest and falling down to the lowest common denominator.Way too many enthusiasts wasting parents money, too many shortsighted individuals that do not understand they are digging their and others professional grave. I personally saw it coming and I'm ready to bail out should it become unsustainable..and its getting there. 4000 euro is a good salary for an employee working 8 to 16 and sleeping in his bed but not for having on your hands the life of hundreds of people. Passengers should start asking them selves questions as well. Who would accept that responsibility and all the downsides on the personal side for such low wage if not the mentally disturbed, the megalomaniac, the loosers that could not get into a real profession ( including legacy carrier ) or art , those frustrated and full of complexes finding in an uniform their revenge to life and the all assortment and shades of imbeciles . This business, out of a few exception, and especially in Europe is becoming apparently more and more their realm. Managers are barely shooting on the red cross and receive no counter fire..can we blame them?

[Kirks gusset]

Pilot resources for the Eurowings operation has been reorganised and some DEC type rated interviewed . The " internal job offer " stated fluent German required. Some SXD captains may have done conversion from 737 but no firm plans yet. The Eurowings deal is not the same as the 75 percent SXD deal

[Faisal Tasleem]

SunExpress does not hire non Turkish pilots?
What if someone is ready to pay for their type rating?
And if not first officer then what about Second officer?

[Kirks gusset]

Only Turkish FO apart from the Stella guys from last season re employed. No 2nd officer positions at SXS. Latest guys totally sponsored by company zero to 737 type but contract is 10 years and they were selected over a year ago on a one-off scheme when DGCA put 10 percent limit on foreign pilots. Can't buy your way into SXS or THY but maybe Atlas Jet if you speak Turkish

[dirtyrat]

Would any Ankara based SXS captain be able to share some (unidentifiable) details about the commuting roster. I know you get 7 days off at the end of your month, but what about the 3 weeks before this? How bad is it? Some extra ideas about the days off / working pattern would be ace before I say 'yes' to them.

Thank you!

[TypeIV]

Expect minimum rest according to turkish CAA. 8hrs rest, several night duties on a row, 6/1 pattern, 12hrs of standby not accredited as duty, average of three roster changes per day, late checkout before your off-day and early check-in the day after. The rostering is a complete horror story.

[TypeIV]

At least the rating is refunded and apart from the disastrous rostering it's not a very bad place. If you need the rating and time, it might be a good option but be warned about the crew planning.

[valKilmer3481]

A 330

Dear fellow colegues,

I am A 320 driver and got an answer to my application for the A 330 Sunexpress Germany, they want to look in my past DLR Tests and then maybe i can join the 2nd stage in their assesement.
I didnīt find anything about the Reruitment and conditions for the A 330, could you shed some light....

I heard Base will be Cologne EDDK in Germany.....
-where will they fly to?
-What will be the initial salary and Flight Pay?
-How long does it take to command?
-is this a long term contract between sunexpress and EuroWings/LH?

Please send me a link where i can the info or let me please know the details, with my best regards

[november.sierra]

There is very limited information regarding SXD T&C's. They have recently published an ad requiring experienced senior F/O's for a quick command upgrade, the way I read it is as being recruited as an F/O and then being put straight on a command course.

There's no mention of any part time contract so it seems to be a full time position and permanent employment from day 1. The only question is, what are the T&C's and what would a typical roster look like? The only official info is that the remuneration will be as per the standard contract in place at SXD. One thing that seems a little bit odd is that they required ICAO level 5 German on the license, I wonder how that can be added for us Auslanders...

Regarding the assessment, is it the standard Hohnerbach test + sim check that everyone seems to be doing? Thanks for any info.

[Kirks gusset]

Instead of soliciting gossip and unqualified rumours from this forum would it not be more practical to get the actual T+Cs from the advertiser?

[november.sierra]

If it was that easy I would obviously not go looking for info on here!

[TypeIV]

are they still giving you 8 months of salary for 12 months of work?

[november.sierra]

That's what I'm trying to find out, there's no mention of any part time work on the ad at least. My guess is that they're losing a lot of pilots to the A330 fleet and don't have enough experienced FO's for upgrade.