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SunExpress recruiting foreign low hours First Officers
Good Day,
As seen recently on their website: http://hr-link.net/Home/Index
It seems they are taking Turkish citizens to train them at Stella, in addition to that, they have an open vacany for low hours FOs.
Can someone please elaborate on that, if foreign ready entry FOs can apply, or is it ment for Turkish citizens as well?
Cheers,
As seen recently on their website: http://hr-link.net/Home/Index
It seems they are taking Turkish citizens to train them at Stella, in addition to that, they have an open vacany for low hours FOs.
Can someone please elaborate on that, if foreign ready entry FOs can apply, or is it ment for Turkish citizens as well?
Cheers,
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The last bunch of Stella Guys joined about 2 months ago in Antalya, they had been waiting for a while, their initial interviews where back in Jan/ Feb.
At the moment there is no plans to take any more foreigner FOs, SAW base will contract and some guys will have to move to other bases. Recruitment of Turkish Nationals is always on-going.
At the moment there is no plans to take any more foreigner FOs, SAW base will contract and some guys will have to move to other bases. Recruitment of Turkish Nationals is always on-going.
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So if I get this right, you are telling people who are working or have been working there to think twice about what they say. And you haven't even worked there yourself... 
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I am not telling people who work there to think twice. They already know what they have. I am giving my own advice to the people who come here to have some information and read the comments which were made by people who like to produce a lot of rumour.
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Advice please
Hi guys, just got called in for the 3 step process for sunexpress, do I have to do the mollymawk test before or on the date that they have planed, also I'm a uk citizen with the right to have a T.C. citizenship, I done a European English aviation language test but never herd of TOEIC would I be required to still acquire this certificate ? And would any body have any ideas about the technical questions ? I APPLYED for the FO position I have 228 hours total
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No I havent got a university degree, Im not a TC Citizen at the moment but I have the right to become a Turkish citizen from my mother and my wife, also spoke with irmak yetkin she told me tht I do require a TOEIC test
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FIRST OFFICER
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We are looking for Turkish First Officers and a good team member, who will be based in Antalya or Izmir
Min age of 21 years
Min CPL (A) / IR (A) Licence and IR on multi-engine aircraft
Have MCC course
ATPL (A) theoretical knowledge exams passed
Have a valid JAR FCL 3 class 1 medical certificate
English language proficiency for F/O candidates must be;
TOEIC (Reading 385, Listening 400, Speaking 160, Writing 150)
TOEFL IBT (Reading 22, Listening 21, Speaking 23, Writing 21)
Have university degree
No obligation of military service for male candidates
Normally they will require the Mollymawk results and TOEIC results as part of the screening...but.. if you have HR email its an easy enough question to ask and they will give you the heads up. Don't forget you have to pay 30000 Euro for the type rating as the bonding system is gone apart for ex military guys, they have the cost deducted over 5 years and have reduced salary.. You used to be able to supply a letter of guarantee from the bank but since so many " jumped ship" without meeting their obligations the system has changed.. reverbs on the thread : pilots pay to fly" and people ask why!
Genel Nitelikler
We are looking for Turkish First Officers and a good team member, who will be based in Antalya or Izmir
Min age of 21 years
Min CPL (A) / IR (A) Licence and IR on multi-engine aircraft
Have MCC course
ATPL (A) theoretical knowledge exams passed
Have a valid JAR FCL 3 class 1 medical certificate
English language proficiency for F/O candidates must be;
TOEIC (Reading 385, Listening 400, Speaking 160, Writing 150)
TOEFL IBT (Reading 22, Listening 21, Speaking 23, Writing 21)
Have university degree
No obligation of military service for male candidates
Normally they will require the Mollymawk results and TOEIC results as part of the screening...but.. if you have HR email its an easy enough question to ask and they will give you the heads up. Don't forget you have to pay 30000 Euro for the type rating as the bonding system is gone apart for ex military guys, they have the cost deducted over 5 years and have reduced salary.. You used to be able to supply a letter of guarantee from the bank but since so many " jumped ship" without meeting their obligations the system has changed.. reverbs on the thread : pilots pay to fly" and people ask why!
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Will Sun Express still be flying the A330s for LH's Eurowings longhaul operation? If so, are experienced 737NG pilots transitioning to the Airbus or will they bring in Airbus-rated pilots?
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If I may speculate, they would probably take people from LH to start the ops. Even though they have many people with experience on the 320 in SXS/SXD, I think setting up a long haul ops on a new aircraft type will be difficult without some help from outside.
Since the Eurowings probably is a way meant for LH to move the longhaul production to another lowcost subsidary, there will be plenty of laid off Lufthansa guys to do the operation
Since the Eurowings probably is a way meant for LH to move the longhaul production to another lowcost subsidary, there will be plenty of laid off Lufthansa guys to do the operation
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is there anyone on the site that will be attending the mollymawk test on 27/02/2015 for sunexpress at antalya ?
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I received an invite for assessment for SXD in Berlin. It's a 2 day assessment including a sim check on a B737 Classic.
Does anyone have any info regarding the selection process, i.e. the sorts of questions asked, the content of the psychometric tests and the sim profile? I'd be very happy for any information anyone might have.
I applied for an FO position and have several thousand hours B737NG time and speak fluent German.
Does anyone have any info regarding the selection process, i.e. the sorts of questions asked, the content of the psychometric tests and the sim profile? I'd be very happy for any information anyone might have.
I applied for an FO position and have several thousand hours B737NG time and speak fluent German.
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The assessment is conducted in Berlin by Aerologic. After a brief introduction and a quick presentation about the company, the first phase of the psychometric tests starts. The tests are multiple choice and are completed on a laptop. There are 4 tests to be done, starting with a general knowledge test with questions mainly covering German politics. Following this test, there is a relatively straightforward B737 technical test, followed by a test covering ATPL questions covering a wide range of subjects but yet again, these are fairly straightforward. Once these are completed, there is a visual perception test with a cube containing a twisted cable pictured from various sides and angles and you have to identify from where the pictures are taken.
The maths test works as follows: there are 2 sequences arranged on top of each other, and if the result of the top row is bigger than the result of the bottom row, subtract the bottom result from the top result, if the result of the bottom row is bigger than the result of the top row, add both results together. The catch in this exercise is that occasionally, even if you enter the result correctly, there will be a message saying it was wrong, and sometimes a new question will only appear for a few seconds before disappearing. This is probably done to add pressure.
After a quick break, the tests continue. There is a test covering concentration and reaction, where you have to watch an old fashioned radar screen where the radar blips are shown as triangles and circles, and you have to press a button every time a circle shows. There is a long English test which is straightforward and covers things like identifying missing words in a sentence, identifying spelling mistakes and word association. Some of these sentences are badly worded and will appear to have no correct answer. The next test is based on technical understanding and shows pictures of cogs where you have to identify which way they are turning. Once this test has been completed, the next test covers logical understanding, and shows several symbols, where a matching symbol has to be identified from a list.
Spatial awareness and understanding is then tested once again, with an exercise where cardboard cutouts are laid out flat and pictures of the completed structure are shown, where you have to identify the correct one. Following this exercise, a similar one follows where symbols are shown and you have to identify which symbol fits it correctly as a mirror image.
Memory testing: Information regarding a business meeting at a hotel is presented for 2 minutes and you have to remember as much information about the details as possible. Pay particular attention to the symbols shown. The trick with this exercise is that after the 2 minutes are up, a quite complex maths test follows. The test itself is straightforward, but quite longwinded. Once completed, questions regarding the business meeting follow, especially covering symbol recognition and numbers.
Then there is a test covering information processing. As the secretary while the boss is away, you have to sort through, save and reply to e-mails. You have to decide whether to save the e-mails externally or internally, whether to answer them or whether to save them internally or externally. On the whole, this test is quite straightforward, however, there is considerable time pressure.
The last test is psychological profiling, where you have to answer 210 personal questions quickly and whether you agree or disagree with the statement.
In general, the atmosphere during the assessment is friendly and relaxed. There are ample opportunities for breaks and food and drink is provided throughout the day. The sheer amount of tests is quite overwhelming and keeping up concentration is challenging. The day starts at 9 am and there is non-stop testing until roughly 4:30. A good level of German is required, conversational German will not be sufficient to understand the quite complex questions using technical terms. One thing that was said in the introduction however, was that language difficulties are taken into consideration.
To prepare for the tests, there is an online test facility (German language only) available on www.der-eignungstest.de that quite a lot of the tests are based on. Some other tests are taken from Hogrefe Hogrefe, Verlag für Psychologie and I'm not sure if these are commercially available for practice.
Once the tests are completed, there is a break before transport is provided to Lufthansa Flight Training for the sim check, which is done on a B737 Classic simulator, but there have been reports of depending on availability, a B737NG simulator being used.
The sim check is flown with no flight directors and raw data only. The detail is flown at Stuttgart EDDS, RW25 SID DKB8B. When established on the outbound radial, ATC will provide a radar heading and issue a climb clearance to FL100. Once level, ATC will ask for specific speeds, speeding up to 310 kts and then immediately reduce to 220 kts, followed by increasing to 250 kts again. Then 2 steep turns are requested, to the left and right, before proceeding to LBU VOR and then entering the hold over LBU. ATC will ask which hold entry will be performed and after less than 1 lap in the hold, a radar heading is given for radar vectors for an ILS approach to RW25. Hand over control, set up and brief the approach, and then report ready to ATC and the final vector will be given. Cloud base is reasonably high, so you become visual fairly quickly.
Following landing, the aircraft is repositioned on the runway for a LOFT exercise. It is a V1 cut with severe engine damage, profile to be flown is exactly as per current SOP's. Once the problem is dealt with, radar vectoring for an ILS RW25 are given to a landing, upon which the simulator session will finish.
If you have never flown a B737 Classic you are in for a surprise. The instrument layout is quite different and the engine displays are not as easily readable, and handling is a lot more sensitive than on a B737-800. It is also worth mentioning that LIDO charts are used for the assessment, they are quite difficult to read if you're not used to them. You will fly with a SXD captain and can occupy either seat, and you are told to use your current procedures. The PM will not do anything not asked for, and clear briefings are expected.
The next day, an interview follows. This lasts about 45 minutes and the 2 sim check pilots plus the psychologist are present. Initially, the test results and the sim check are discussed, and then personal questions follow. There are no surprises, they are the usual, what are you strengths and weaknesses, what do you know about the company and why do you want to work here, where do you see yourself in 5 years time, etc etc.
Then some technical questions are asked, eg PTU, landing gear transfer unit etc. Some further general knowledge ATPL questions could also be asked.
It is fairly extensive testing and the tests, although none particularly difficult, are challenging due to the sheer volume and the time pressure involved. The sim check is fair and relatively straightforward, and the interview is set up as a cross examination, with the 3 interviewers on one side and you on the other and that can be quite intimidating. However, the entire team is friendly and quite relaxed.
The maths test works as follows: there are 2 sequences arranged on top of each other, and if the result of the top row is bigger than the result of the bottom row, subtract the bottom result from the top result, if the result of the bottom row is bigger than the result of the top row, add both results together. The catch in this exercise is that occasionally, even if you enter the result correctly, there will be a message saying it was wrong, and sometimes a new question will only appear for a few seconds before disappearing. This is probably done to add pressure.
After a quick break, the tests continue. There is a test covering concentration and reaction, where you have to watch an old fashioned radar screen where the radar blips are shown as triangles and circles, and you have to press a button every time a circle shows. There is a long English test which is straightforward and covers things like identifying missing words in a sentence, identifying spelling mistakes and word association. Some of these sentences are badly worded and will appear to have no correct answer. The next test is based on technical understanding and shows pictures of cogs where you have to identify which way they are turning. Once this test has been completed, the next test covers logical understanding, and shows several symbols, where a matching symbol has to be identified from a list.
Spatial awareness and understanding is then tested once again, with an exercise where cardboard cutouts are laid out flat and pictures of the completed structure are shown, where you have to identify the correct one. Following this exercise, a similar one follows where symbols are shown and you have to identify which symbol fits it correctly as a mirror image.
Memory testing: Information regarding a business meeting at a hotel is presented for 2 minutes and you have to remember as much information about the details as possible. Pay particular attention to the symbols shown. The trick with this exercise is that after the 2 minutes are up, a quite complex maths test follows. The test itself is straightforward, but quite longwinded. Once completed, questions regarding the business meeting follow, especially covering symbol recognition and numbers.
Then there is a test covering information processing. As the secretary while the boss is away, you have to sort through, save and reply to e-mails. You have to decide whether to save the e-mails externally or internally, whether to answer them or whether to save them internally or externally. On the whole, this test is quite straightforward, however, there is considerable time pressure.
The last test is psychological profiling, where you have to answer 210 personal questions quickly and whether you agree or disagree with the statement.
In general, the atmosphere during the assessment is friendly and relaxed. There are ample opportunities for breaks and food and drink is provided throughout the day. The sheer amount of tests is quite overwhelming and keeping up concentration is challenging. The day starts at 9 am and there is non-stop testing until roughly 4:30. A good level of German is required, conversational German will not be sufficient to understand the quite complex questions using technical terms. One thing that was said in the introduction however, was that language difficulties are taken into consideration.
To prepare for the tests, there is an online test facility (German language only) available on www.der-eignungstest.de that quite a lot of the tests are based on. Some other tests are taken from Hogrefe Hogrefe, Verlag für Psychologie and I'm not sure if these are commercially available for practice.
Once the tests are completed, there is a break before transport is provided to Lufthansa Flight Training for the sim check, which is done on a B737 Classic simulator, but there have been reports of depending on availability, a B737NG simulator being used.
The sim check is flown with no flight directors and raw data only. The detail is flown at Stuttgart EDDS, RW25 SID DKB8B. When established on the outbound radial, ATC will provide a radar heading and issue a climb clearance to FL100. Once level, ATC will ask for specific speeds, speeding up to 310 kts and then immediately reduce to 220 kts, followed by increasing to 250 kts again. Then 2 steep turns are requested, to the left and right, before proceeding to LBU VOR and then entering the hold over LBU. ATC will ask which hold entry will be performed and after less than 1 lap in the hold, a radar heading is given for radar vectors for an ILS approach to RW25. Hand over control, set up and brief the approach, and then report ready to ATC and the final vector will be given. Cloud base is reasonably high, so you become visual fairly quickly.
Following landing, the aircraft is repositioned on the runway for a LOFT exercise. It is a V1 cut with severe engine damage, profile to be flown is exactly as per current SOP's. Once the problem is dealt with, radar vectoring for an ILS RW25 are given to a landing, upon which the simulator session will finish.
If you have never flown a B737 Classic you are in for a surprise. The instrument layout is quite different and the engine displays are not as easily readable, and handling is a lot more sensitive than on a B737-800. It is also worth mentioning that LIDO charts are used for the assessment, they are quite difficult to read if you're not used to them. You will fly with a SXD captain and can occupy either seat, and you are told to use your current procedures. The PM will not do anything not asked for, and clear briefings are expected.
The next day, an interview follows. This lasts about 45 minutes and the 2 sim check pilots plus the psychologist are present. Initially, the test results and the sim check are discussed, and then personal questions follow. There are no surprises, they are the usual, what are you strengths and weaknesses, what do you know about the company and why do you want to work here, where do you see yourself in 5 years time, etc etc.
Then some technical questions are asked, eg PTU, landing gear transfer unit etc. Some further general knowledge ATPL questions could also be asked.
It is fairly extensive testing and the tests, although none particularly difficult, are challenging due to the sheer volume and the time pressure involved. The sim check is fair and relatively straightforward, and the interview is set up as a cross examination, with the 3 interviewers on one side and you on the other and that can be quite intimidating. However, the entire team is friendly and quite relaxed.
