Industrial Action at Flybe?
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It would seem there is an 'exodus' epedemic at most of the less glamorous airlines. Is everyone jumping ship towards the same flames, or will there be a shuffling of personnel from one heap of poo to a slightly less smelly heap of poo to replace the exodus from somewhere higher up the food chain? Poo is still poo when you are in it, but a few extra sweeties help. The only good thing about being up to your neck in poo is to make sure it's feet first.
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It occurs to me as an outsider that Flybe management might actually want their staff to go to pastures new. It would then mean that the plethora of newly qualified, desperate-to-get-a-job low-hours pilots would jump at the chance of the new "recruitment surge" that would happen and not bother to see how much they are getting paid or how many hours they will be working until far too late.
I guess if people really want change to happen at Flybe, they have to stay there and force the change to happen rather than vote with their feet.
Just my tuppence worth.
Good luck to you all, and really hope something good comes out of it for you.
I guess if people really want change to happen at Flybe, they have to stay there and force the change to happen rather than vote with their feet.
Just my tuppence worth.
Good luck to you all, and really hope something good comes out of it for you.
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Dont particularly want to add to this thread drift, however I have to ask...
Where are all these pilots going?!
As a Dash driver myself the options are extremely limited at best for the turboprop guys, in fact I know of only AL in the UK and QR in the desert, and consider myself lucky ive got past the first stage of the recruitment process for AL. I know of a lot of guys who have applied to both, id say 60 - 70% of Dash FO's have applied, but thats a LONG way off an actual resignation, especially when we are competing with 320/737 type rated guys.
As for the Emb guys, yea the outlook is a little better. Gulf Air is an option but why not wait a little longer and then go straight for emirates flying bigger metal and living somewhere a hell of a lot better?
I cant speak for everyone as I know some flybe pilots have previous heavy time etc. but the majority are stuck at flybe for the time being, I cannot see a mass exodus happening this year.
The rumour of BA taking on non-type guys hasnt happened yet, and with their current pool of pilots being told it could be the end of the year before a start date, its still going to be a long wait when and if it does happen.
EasyJet have got a HUGE queue of pilots that will work for peanuts (even less peanuts than we get a flybe!), same at Ryanair. Jet2 and Thomas Cook only wanted type rated guys and their recruitment has already finished for the year, Thompson and Monarch are overcrewed, Bmi are bust....
'Exodus' and 'Sign of things to come' really? Have I missed something......
Where are all these pilots going?!
As a Dash driver myself the options are extremely limited at best for the turboprop guys, in fact I know of only AL in the UK and QR in the desert, and consider myself lucky ive got past the first stage of the recruitment process for AL. I know of a lot of guys who have applied to both, id say 60 - 70% of Dash FO's have applied, but thats a LONG way off an actual resignation, especially when we are competing with 320/737 type rated guys.
As for the Emb guys, yea the outlook is a little better. Gulf Air is an option but why not wait a little longer and then go straight for emirates flying bigger metal and living somewhere a hell of a lot better?
I cant speak for everyone as I know some flybe pilots have previous heavy time etc. but the majority are stuck at flybe for the time being, I cannot see a mass exodus happening this year.
The rumour of BA taking on non-type guys hasnt happened yet, and with their current pool of pilots being told it could be the end of the year before a start date, its still going to be a long wait when and if it does happen.
EasyJet have got a HUGE queue of pilots that will work for peanuts (even less peanuts than we get a flybe!), same at Ryanair. Jet2 and Thomas Cook only wanted type rated guys and their recruitment has already finished for the year, Thompson and Monarch are overcrewed, Bmi are bust....
'Exodus' and 'Sign of things to come' really? Have I missed something......
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I dont know what we should do guys.
I'm talking for now - to refresh this plodding thred.
This is our problem - the middle east is just about in melt down. Oil lives in the middle east (in general).If the unrest in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain,LIBYA(1/2 Opec reserve), Oman spreads to Saudi, trouble looms.
At the moment - $115 for a Barrel of oil. If Libya has civil war - which is probable and if troubles then spread to Saudi (again probable) analysts predict $200/barrel
10 years ago a barrel cost $25 and was the same price since the mid 80's ( inflation adjusted).
We aint going to win on the cash front. I think we take the financial side but barter on the terms side. Give us early starts/late finish to leave and im happy for now, all things considered. (PS just for now til the world economy is more stable then FSU!)
I'm talking for now - to refresh this plodding thred.
This is our problem - the middle east is just about in melt down. Oil lives in the middle east (in general).If the unrest in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain,LIBYA(1/2 Opec reserve), Oman spreads to Saudi, trouble looms.
At the moment - $115 for a Barrel of oil. If Libya has civil war - which is probable and if troubles then spread to Saudi (again probable) analysts predict $200/barrel
10 years ago a barrel cost $25 and was the same price since the mid 80's ( inflation adjusted).
We aint going to win on the cash front. I think we take the financial side but barter on the terms side. Give us early starts/late finish to leave and im happy for now, all things considered. (PS just for now til the world economy is more stable then FSU!)
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Yes good to have a reality check every now and then.....
And who is AL? Aer Lingus?
DHL AIR have just taken on about 20+ F/O's and still looking. Based LEJ however
Yes good to have a reality check every now and then.....
And who is AL? Aer Lingus?
DHL AIR have just taken on about 20+ F/O's and still looking. Based LEJ however
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The rumour of BA taking on non-type guys hasnt happened yet, and with their current pool of pilots being told it could be the end of the year before a start date, its still going to be a long wait when and if it does happen.
And don't be too critical of them, after all Flybe are still taking on 200hr newbies.
In short it certainly would be a good idea to keep holding out for what you want, unless China or India hold any appeal the other offers may be limited for a while yet.
