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Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?

Old 10th Feb 2012, 13:12
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Plenty of experienced Captains an SFO's are applying and a very high proportion of those are being successful. They are proving to be of a very good standard and EK like them....a lot!
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 13:33
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Last week in Dubai, one day 16 pilots finished their pilot selection, only 4 passed, but as far as I know, in that selection there weren't any RYR guys. Following day, approx. 20 pilots finished the selection, 12-14 passed, (5 ryr guys) all passed!
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 14:15
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They are proving to be of a very good standard and EK like them....a lot!
Of course! They are obedient slaves, willing to work long hours, incapable to form or join a union, who pay for their own sim checks, medical and even for an online Pikey Airlines application! From an employer point of view, who wouldn't want them?!

Well lads , did anyone make a plan yet???
"Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?" Well, so far "the plan" (58 pages further) is to trade in a Pikey second hand caravan dealer for a Bedouin second hand camel dealer and score a bigger shiny jet rating in the process. That's "the plan!"
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 16:40
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Nothing is being discussed on PPRuNe because it's a waste of energy. Tuppenny ha'penny opinions posted by cretins/flight sim geeks/trolls are of little help in this situation.
REPA is where it's at.
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 17:19
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Bokkenrijder - you know where you can stick your holier than thou horse shit don't you? Come do a few days in Ryanair and then lead us down your sacred path. Ohh....ok then...I see! Its easier to sit outside the tent and piss in. Fantastic and informative input. Heard it once, heard it a million times.

Good luck to those on REPA and IALPA - trying to make a difference.
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 18:58
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Sounds vaguely. . . . . Dutch ? bit of a generalisation I know, but I remember most were well liked in their time in Ryanair
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 19:48
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Oh yes the DC's. I love flying with those
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Bokkenrijder View Post
Of course! They are obedient slaves, willing to work long hours, incapable to form or join a union, who pay for their own sim checks, medical and even for an online Pikey Airlines application! From an employer point of view, who wouldn't want them?!

"Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?" Well, so far "the plan" (58 pages further) is to trade in a Pikey second hand caravan dealer for a Bedouin second hand camel dealer and score a bigger shiny jet rating in the process. That's "the plan!"
PPruNe is not the place where things are happening. REPA is more alive than ever and things are moving along on the base level. We're taking it one step at a time.

Aside from that. For an employee of a company responsible for the single largest loss of human life during an airline operation, you really ought to get down from that high horse buddy.
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Old 11th Feb 2012, 21:42
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Came across this, MOL is maybe getting 'a bit' short of pilots, but is this the way? And in the article they dont even mention the Spanair guys would have to pay a new typerating themselves as well.

Spanair workers reject offer of employment from Ryanair

If you ask me MOL will overplay his hand in not too long.
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Old 11th Feb 2012, 22:35
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I believe the option of being ready-rated and Hungarian is hot to trot. I feel the of the demise of Malev has possibly saved Michael from a very painful summer? Lucky barsteward!!!

Anyone else think this is plausible?
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Old 12th Feb 2012, 00:01
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Why should MOL be worried about loosing pilots. FR will hire new ones, and these pilots will pay for their trainning, hotels, uniforms, etc. So, the more pilots they loose the more pilots they hire, and the more pilots they hire the more type ratings they sell. Good business.
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Old 12th Feb 2012, 09:26
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The point is obviously a bit lost beachbumflyer. Whilst I accept certain elements of your argument, there is one major flaw. You can't run an airline on 250hr wonder kids. Ryanair will always be able to sell ratings to the wannabe brigade. They can't keep experienced crew and they rely on airlines hitting the wall in order to fill their left hand seat requirements. Many of these guys are simply there as a last resort and therefore leave at the closest opportunity. Back to square one.......too many 250hr wonder kids, a gulf of experience missing, little to no command ready FOs and Captains departing for pastures new.
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Old 12th Feb 2012, 20:08
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Callsign Kilo,

And yet, year after year goes by and the Airline always finds a way to cope with the pilot exodus.

It is nevertheless very sad that they don't value our skills or experience.
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Old 12th Feb 2012, 20:59
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Their loss is another's gain. They never value anything unless it costs them nothing. Fact of life in Ryanair.
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 17:57
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Me got cups.

Me got coffee.

Me got water.

But me got no idea how to make coffee.

(With apologies to Walliams and Lucas)

The average cadet:-)

Any airline.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 15:01
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What now with the possibility of DEC at EK for experienced FR skippers. Will the floodgates open leaving a gaping hole in the experience levels on the flighdeck at Ryanair? FR are desperate to attract Experienced Malev captains, but how many of them will choose FR over EK? (some certainly will to stay closer to home)

I have a feeling that the pressure will soon begin to mount on the short sighted and greedy management at Ryanair who don't seem to realise that the most important asset they have are their employees. If they need to continue to park aircraft through the summer due to lack of crews there could be some interesting times ahead.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 17:05
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I believe its the insurance underwriters that dictate the 'minimum' for command. The training department have a standard to maintain and you either meet it or you don't. I would imagine that it would be quite a drag on training resources if the experience/quality of candidate were to be lowered. I'm am not implying a lower standard anywhere else but you really need to be in FR a few years to understand the MO. (with reference to direct entry F/O's)
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 21:04
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Why are people considering only the M.East? There's no mention on here about the rising demand in China and the big bucks on offer. 6on 2 off with commuting home doesn't sound too bad, and with married accommodation provided in some exciting cities I would have thought there'd be some takers.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 22:02
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Exactly why would a European pilot find any city in China "exciting"?

I'm surprised there's any takers!
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Artie Fufkin View Post
Exactly why would a European pilot find any city in China "exciting"?

I'm surprised there's any takers!
They might find the money in asia exciting

Some of these new commuting contracts offer you more time at home then Ryanair and Emirates!!

If you are prepared to leave Europe it has to be worth considering going beyond the sand pit and get a commuting contract which offers a lot more money.

Some of the asian carriers treat you very very well. Sandpit or paddy field?
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