Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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From: by the seaside
Thanks for the replies guys, didn't realize that I had opened a can of worms.
Once had landing config 30 odd miles out to get dinner allowance, but then I was working for a bunch of a@@@@@@@s for peanuts.
As to visual and raw data - depends on the competence on the crew.
Did loads of visuals from both seats - absolutely no problem - even did one from 12 grand downwind on my only visit to CCS - now that was fun.
In foehn conditions at ZRH there was a cloud break 16 with a visual circling onto 28 in CAT - aim was to be established by 300ft - sorted out the men from the boys.
Raw data again no problem but if cloud base less than app 800ft used everything that worked as were paid to get the pax where they wanted to go.
I was taught the s@@t about always use the autopilot until I declared a mayday and found that it was the autopilot that was trying to kill us.
If you can't fly manually down to the limits then you shouldn't be in the seat.
Once had landing config 30 odd miles out to get dinner allowance, but then I was working for a bunch of a@@@@@@@s for peanuts.
As to visual and raw data - depends on the competence on the crew.
Did loads of visuals from both seats - absolutely no problem - even did one from 12 grand downwind on my only visit to CCS - now that was fun.
In foehn conditions at ZRH there was a cloud break 16 with a visual circling onto 28 in CAT - aim was to be established by 300ft - sorted out the men from the boys.
Raw data again no problem but if cloud base less than app 800ft used everything that worked as were paid to get the pax where they wanted to go.
I was taught the s@@t about always use the autopilot until I declared a mayday and found that it was the autopilot that was trying to kill us.
If you can't fly manually down to the limits then you shouldn't be in the seat.
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From: USA
If you disconnected the autopilot and removed the FD's in IMC on an ILS you would find yourself immediately as the PNF and a call into the base TRE to discuss your inappropriate behaviour
I wouldn't think they are comparing OFDM vs METAR ...,
It's all bull!!!!. Not true at all. Nothing happens. No one cares.
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From: U.K.
So, tell me how the OFDM can tell if you are in IMC or not..?
I wouldn't think they are comparing OFDM vs METAR ...,
It's all bull!!!!. Not true at all. Nothing happens. No one cares.
I wouldn't think they are comparing OFDM vs METAR ...,
It's all bull!!!!. Not true at all. Nothing happens. No one cares.
FDM should be there to aid safety monitoring and guide training, not to smack crews around the head with.
I know it does get used like that in some places, but that's not acceptable in my eyes.
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From: Monrovia / Liberia
Yes, one can fly raw data down to minima, but is that always the safest course of action?!
The reality is that flying with reference solely to 'raw data' (nearly always) removes some element of 'spare capacity' from the PF, and invariably ups the workload / monitoring task of the PNF... these two facts alone would evidently reduce the overall level of safety.
And do trust me when I say that if / when you
it up, your company / bosses (especially so if you're working in the Middle East) will not be sympathetic that you were 'practicing your raw data skills' and / or trying to save 2s6d of fuel (by Spitfiring it on from 300 feet) and such activities are likely to result in 'tea & biscuits' and / or maybe even 'Johnny Out The Door' (with a bad Reference, or maybe none at all) ?!
And knowing this is called 'Experience'!
The reality is that flying with reference solely to 'raw data' (nearly always) removes some element of 'spare capacity' from the PF, and invariably ups the workload / monitoring task of the PNF... these two facts alone would evidently reduce the overall level of safety.
And do trust me when I say that if / when you
it up, your company / bosses (especially so if you're working in the Middle East) will not be sympathetic that you were 'practicing your raw data skills' and / or trying to save 2s6d of fuel (by Spitfiring it on from 300 feet) and such activities are likely to result in 'tea & biscuits' and / or maybe even 'Johnny Out The Door' (with a bad Reference, or maybe none at all) ?!And knowing this is called 'Experience'!
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From: on earth
What was the position of JD in Ryanair ? and do you know what will be his position at Flydubai as they are looking for a new chief pilot...
All in all the poor guys who have left Ryanair for Flydubai will again face the same situation if all these "non desired" people go there....
All in all the poor guys who have left Ryanair for Flydubai will again face the same situation if all these "non desired" people go there....
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From: NL
In 11 years and many many flying hours, I have never been in a situation where the autopilot is unable to maintain an acceptable flight path. If you have then I put it to you that you were somewhere you should not have been thus opening further questions.
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From: World
Perhaps we too need a Fellowship of The Yoke to defeat evil once and for all! (
okay I'll stop being silly now.)
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
In one of the most successful small companies I knew, run by my Dad, there hung in his office, and all his manager's, a framed message:
"Things always go wrong from the top, not the bottom."
Ah, would that those above us realise that. I've worked with 5 airlines that have gone bust, and all over top screw ups while the bottom feeders wallowed in their sludge. Share price is not everything. It is the corruption of life's values that the love of money brings. There will be a bite in the tail, but sadly not always on those who deserve it the most. Often they escape just before the jaws snap shut. The world is littered with self congratulating, early retired, money rich, self delusional gormandies. Sad for those who come after. Big shovels required.
Having worked under the 'odd couple' where they showed how it could & should be done, I've seen both sides of the coin. Their method was very very successful, both financially and productively. A happy ship was a prosperous ship, in spades. It has been done and can be done again. Sadly it is only the few who see the real way. The second coming is nigh, but I'll be past that date. Good luck to those who see the light.
Eye shades on and back to dreaming of earlies.
"Things always go wrong from the top, not the bottom."
Ah, would that those above us realise that. I've worked with 5 airlines that have gone bust, and all over top screw ups while the bottom feeders wallowed in their sludge. Share price is not everything. It is the corruption of life's values that the love of money brings. There will be a bite in the tail, but sadly not always on those who deserve it the most. Often they escape just before the jaws snap shut. The world is littered with self congratulating, early retired, money rich, self delusional gormandies. Sad for those who come after. Big shovels required.
Having worked under the 'odd couple' where they showed how it could & should be done, I've seen both sides of the coin. Their method was very very successful, both financially and productively. A happy ship was a prosperous ship, in spades. It has been done and can be done again. Sadly it is only the few who see the real way. The second coming is nigh, but I'll be past that date. Good luck to those who see the light.
Eye shades on and back to dreaming of earlies.
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From: In my seat
Eagerbeaver,
Absolute bollocks. And I HATE these type of guys who go cry at TRE's and/or base captains for every little thing...
And no, I do not have to brief a visual... it is bloody PF's discretion, and we should both be proficient enough to know the aircrafts and company's limitations...if not, stay home.
My God, do you at FR brief anything then?! it is called brief for a reason!!!
Absolute bollocks. And I HATE these type of guys who go cry at TRE's and/or base captains for every little thing...
And no, I do not have to brief a visual... it is bloody PF's discretion, and we should both be proficient enough to know the aircrafts and company's limitations...if not, stay home.
My God, do you at FR brief anything then?! it is called brief for a reason!!!