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What is the AVG take home for an F/O and Capt with flybe?
Before you say it, I tried a search and must be doing something wrong as just a **** load of moaning came up
Before you say it, I tried a search and must be doing something wrong as just a **** load of moaning came up
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Couldn't have said it better myself
G-SXTY and all the others - I couldn't have said it better myself. To be honest if they kept the lates to earlies but made the roster 5/3 fixed and added £10 000 to everyone's pay after 3 years and brought in loads of E-Jets with decent hot crew food I would stay forever as I suspect many others would.
We'd then be just below the industry average terms and conditions.
At my base I currently only know of one F/O who plans to stay, I know several Captains who already have apps in progress.
Re: salary expect to take home £1600/month F/O year 1, by year 3 that will be approx £1950. For Captains I gather year 1 equates to around £3200 take-home.
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We'd then be just below the industry average terms and conditions.
At my base I currently only know of one F/O who plans to stay, I know several Captains who already have apps in progress.
Re: salary expect to take home £1600/month F/O year 1, by year 3 that will be approx £1950. For Captains I gather year 1 equates to around £3200 take-home.
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G SXTY, Desk-Pilot and others...
Do not be fooled it's any better anywhere else...bigger machines and bigger airlines means bigger politics and just bigger issues...management attitudes remain the same!
The best job is whatever suits your personal circumstances, you can keep chasing and making life's sacrifices for this career, but very little changes, same problems - different coloured aircraft!
And on that cheery note...
Cheers
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Do not be fooled it's any better anywhere else...bigger machines and bigger airlines means bigger politics and just bigger issues...management attitudes remain the same!
The best job is whatever suits your personal circumstances, you can keep chasing and making life's sacrifices for this career, but very little changes, same problems - different coloured aircraft!
And on that cheery note...
Cheers
JB
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Indeed it is Time Traveller! I remember earning as little as that when I was operating a turbo-prop - it was the best fun i've had yet!
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That pay might just about be an acceptable trade off if the lifestyle was great - but in flybe it isn't. The specific issues such as finishing on lates and starting on earlies, and the 108 day off fixation have already been mentioned by previous posters, and I agree with then completely.
Royston Vasey sums it up well: "So, in years to come when the family have grown up so fast you're wondering where the time went; and you're kids are overheard saying that Dad / Mum were 'always at work' you need to ask yourself....
Were all those six-on two-off, start on earlies and finish on lates really worth it."
I have been trying to get out for two years or so, but in the meantime flybe have severly limited my ability to support my children through crucial years - and I will never forgive them for that.
Royston Vasey sums it up well: "So, in years to come when the family have grown up so fast you're wondering where the time went; and you're kids are overheard saying that Dad / Mum were 'always at work' you need to ask yourself....
Were all those six-on two-off, start on earlies and finish on lates really worth it."
I have been trying to get out for two years or so, but in the meantime flybe have severly limited my ability to support my children through crucial years - and I will never forgive them for that.
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the "doggy bag" crewfood that we get on the aircraft is pretty poor. The sandwich choice is mediocre, at best, and the salads are more likely to spark off mass botulism than provide adequate nourishment... If the crew food was to be a little bit more balanced, it would be acceptable, but can you honestly name one person who wants to go for a "salmon and cucumber" sandwich that is slightly mouldy, with soggy bread?
And the Crudites... don't even get me started on them! The only thing they're good for is for throwing at the other guy when he passes wind.
However, as much as we may moan about crewfood, there are some redeeming things to it - and at least we still get it. But it could be a lot better, granted.
Paywise - in my first base, for the first year and a half, I couldn't make ends meet. I lived on my credit card, and was getting scuppered by the interest on it. However, as my payscale went up, I've been able to pay back a large percentage of that debt now, and am finally starting to see the end of the tunnel. But as for saving up any money at all, it remains a long way off - any that is saved come the end of the month goes on petrol, or fuel bills or car maintainance or just having 1 day out with the Mrs.
If FlyBE were to up the pay - eg - after 3 years service to the company, it was to be raised £10k, then I would be a lot happier than I am right now. As it is though, they don't, and I will continue to struggle with the pay, and the lates to earlies issue.
And the Crudites... don't even get me started on them! The only thing they're good for is for throwing at the other guy when he passes wind.
However, as much as we may moan about crewfood, there are some redeeming things to it - and at least we still get it. But it could be a lot better, granted.
Paywise - in my first base, for the first year and a half, I couldn't make ends meet. I lived on my credit card, and was getting scuppered by the interest on it. However, as my payscale went up, I've been able to pay back a large percentage of that debt now, and am finally starting to see the end of the tunnel. But as for saving up any money at all, it remains a long way off - any that is saved come the end of the month goes on petrol, or fuel bills or car maintainance or just having 1 day out with the Mrs.
If FlyBE were to up the pay - eg - after 3 years service to the company, it was to be raised £10k, then I would be a lot happier than I am right now. As it is though, they don't, and I will continue to struggle with the pay, and the lates to earlies issue.
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I think that some of you need to check your ops manual. If you are finishing past 23:00 you have not had a legal day off.
You need 2 local nights and 34hrs (please check, these are off the top of my head) for a day off. You cannot go from that late at night to 04:30 in 2 days time.
Say NO!!!!
You need 2 local nights and 34hrs (please check, these are off the top of my head) for a day off. You cannot go from that late at night to 04:30 in 2 days time.
Say NO!!!!
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It could all be so different!
At the end of 2008, when I was made redundant from my last job, I had the (enviable) choice between Flybe and my current employer. Both fly Q400 / Emd 195 and both pay about the same. The difference is that my company has one of the best pilots' agreements I have experienced. The highlights include:
- 120 days off a year;
- guaranteed 30 off in 90;
- maximum 5 days on;
- overtime above 140 duty hrs per month (35 hrs pw) at ca. 35 € per duty hr;
- roster changes inside 3 days voluntary and paid at 100 € per change.
Now, for that we are away an awful lot (15 nights this month) but the hotels are first class and breakfast is included (rapidly becoming a luxury) and free WLAN is generally included (a requirement for the EFB).
All that doesn't happen by itself and we are continually being told that we are too expensive and inflexible - my god, the company even pays the type rating! Until last year, the pay was really derisory (basically Eastern Airways level), but after a lot of sabre rattling, two half day strikes sealed the deal at 16.8%, which in the middle of the financial crisis was a pretty good result.
The moral of the story, until you get yourselves together and down tools nothing is likely to improve. I suggest all of you writing here take a look at yourselves and ask what you are doing about it. Are you at least in BALPA? It always amazes me how many people complain and then admit to not even being in a union.
At some point in the future I would like to come back to the UK and Flybe would be one of my preferred employers, but until some of the issues mentioned here are addressed I would find it very hard to sign on the dotted line.
KT
- 120 days off a year;
- guaranteed 30 off in 90;
- maximum 5 days on;
- overtime above 140 duty hrs per month (35 hrs pw) at ca. 35 € per duty hr;
- roster changes inside 3 days voluntary and paid at 100 € per change.
Now, for that we are away an awful lot (15 nights this month) but the hotels are first class and breakfast is included (rapidly becoming a luxury) and free WLAN is generally included (a requirement for the EFB).
All that doesn't happen by itself and we are continually being told that we are too expensive and inflexible - my god, the company even pays the type rating! Until last year, the pay was really derisory (basically Eastern Airways level), but after a lot of sabre rattling, two half day strikes sealed the deal at 16.8%, which in the middle of the financial crisis was a pretty good result.
The moral of the story, until you get yourselves together and down tools nothing is likely to improve. I suggest all of you writing here take a look at yourselves and ask what you are doing about it. Are you at least in BALPA? It always amazes me how many people complain and then admit to not even being in a union.
At some point in the future I would like to come back to the UK and Flybe would be one of my preferred employers, but until some of the issues mentioned here are addressed I would find it very hard to sign on the dotted line.
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I think that some of you need to check your ops manual. If you are finishing past 23:00 you have not had a legal day off.
You need 2 local nights and 34hrs (please check, these are off the top of my head) for a day off. You cannot go from that late at night to 04:30 in 2 days time.
Say NO!!!!
You need 2 local nights and 34hrs (please check, these are off the top of my head) for a day off. You cannot go from that late at night to 04:30 in 2 days time.
Say NO!!!!
You quote figures which are correct, but you have misinterpreted the situation.
The lates to earlies issue surrounds TWO days off. So, you could be rostered to finish at 2200 on Monday and then start again at 0600 on Thursday i.e. the scheduling agreement minimum of 56 hours at the planning stage (34 is only for a single day). This is worsened though as the SA allows crewing to reduce this to the CAP371 minimum of 54 hours...meaning one could finish at 2359 on the Monday - and still be legal to come in at 0600 on the Thursday!!!!!
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Why are your 'managers' so intransigent when it comes to this early/late issue? On rostering software it can be resolved with the click of a mouse. Or are they using the issue to gain leverage from you on some other matter? Having read the preceding posts it doesn't look as if you have too much to give away, in any case.
I would agree with Knee Trembler; you need to get yourselves organised and not succumb to the 'glad I've got a job' mentality that the management encourages and thrives upon. There have been several very successful 'walk-outs' by pilots during this recession; just look at your german colleagues. If a flotation is in the offing, then French has far more to lose than you.
I would agree with Knee Trembler; you need to get yourselves organised and not succumb to the 'glad I've got a job' mentality that the management encourages and thrives upon. There have been several very successful 'walk-outs' by pilots during this recession; just look at your german colleagues. If a flotation is in the offing, then French has far more to lose than you.
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I am from the group near the top of the seniority list.
I have seen the airline grow from a Shed/Fokker operation into an airline now flying some of the most advanced equipment going.
We have become a major player in Europe and have now got world-wide recognition, our success and growth has been phenomenal.
I think our growth and sucess has taken everyone by surprise, not least management who now manage a pilot workforce of over 700 pilots... and many more to come.
BALPA recognition is still in its infancy compared to most other airlines, it will take a while for a mutual respect to grow. These are tough times for any airline at the moment but our model and business is succeeding, I hope that after guaranteeing survival of the business Exeter looks at its people and works to improve our conditions and working patterns.
I have progressed very quickly with the airline, it offers quick commands and opportunities to train far quicker than elsewhere.
At the end of the day getting home every night (ok 99% of the time) and living 10 minutes away from work (and London prices) is worth an extra 10 grand to me.
The future looks bright too, name another UK airline that has just put in a potential £5 billion order for new aircraft to 2017......
But that is just me, if it doesn't do it for you then go look elsewhere
I have seen the airline grow from a Shed/Fokker operation into an airline now flying some of the most advanced equipment going.
We have become a major player in Europe and have now got world-wide recognition, our success and growth has been phenomenal.
I think our growth and sucess has taken everyone by surprise, not least management who now manage a pilot workforce of over 700 pilots... and many more to come.
BALPA recognition is still in its infancy compared to most other airlines, it will take a while for a mutual respect to grow. These are tough times for any airline at the moment but our model and business is succeeding, I hope that after guaranteeing survival of the business Exeter looks at its people and works to improve our conditions and working patterns.
I have progressed very quickly with the airline, it offers quick commands and opportunities to train far quicker than elsewhere.
At the end of the day getting home every night (ok 99% of the time) and living 10 minutes away from work (and London prices) is worth an extra 10 grand to me.
The future looks bright too, name another UK airline that has just put in a potential £5 billion order for new aircraft to 2017......
But that is just me, if it doesn't do it for you then go look elsewhere
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Guys in at the beginning are on the jets and Seat-Blocking everyone elses ambition.
Life is good for them as they're protected by high salary and raging seniority.
Maybe they've had no ambition or are unhireable in the wider environment - you decide.
Life is good for them as they're protected by high salary and raging seniority.
Maybe they've had no ambition or are unhireable in the wider environment - you decide.
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@Royston Vasey.
A rather arrogant and ignorant post, if I may say so.
Nevertheless, I'm intrigued to understand your logic. What are the 'seat blockers' supposed to do exactly, make themselves unemployed so that someone else can have a go?
As to your comment regarding ambition. Not everyone sees their future in long haul or the middle east. And for those who want to stay in the UK, there's no real alternative at the moment. Where exactly should their ambition take them?
KT
A rather arrogant and ignorant post, if I may say so.
Nevertheless, I'm intrigued to understand your logic. What are the 'seat blockers' supposed to do exactly, make themselves unemployed so that someone else can have a go?
As to your comment regarding ambition. Not everyone sees their future in long haul or the middle east. And for those who want to stay in the UK, there's no real alternative at the moment. Where exactly should their ambition take them?
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RV...
An unbelievably arrogant post....
'Maybe they've had no ambition or are unhireable in the wider environment - you decide'.
Working with the likes of you would put me off in the first place.
Don't speak for the masses when you clearly are not one of them.
An unbelievably arrogant post....
'Maybe they've had no ambition or are unhireable in the wider environment - you decide'.
Working with the likes of you would put me off in the first place.
Don't speak for the masses when you clearly are not one of them.