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And six-sixty you're on another planet mate!
It's totally relevant today - my son was made redundant from a large UK, Charter and career airline earlier this year - he's earning about £25k a year more on a year one salary at his new UK employer than our friend Aeromaniac...
FlyBe is an example of this era's management culture, it's everywhere - get on with it or move on if you think it's better elsewhere...
And save your money...don't be stupid enough to think BALPA will be able to change it, BALPA has had it's day...this is a new era...
your old TP vs Jet cliches don't work in the current reality
FlyBe is an example of this era's management culture, it's everywhere - get on with it or move on if you think it's better elsewhere...
And save your money...don't be stupid enough to think BALPA will be able to change it, BALPA has had it's day...this is a new era...
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Not a mint but
JB007,
Nobody expects the same pay on a Q400 as on a 737 however you have to ask why SFO's on the 195 earn £37k plus £2k flight pay and Captains earn £59k plus £2k flight pay when these figures are at least £20k higher even at Easyjet, never mind BA on an Airbus 319 which has similar capacity.
Then we also have to factor in that a Flybe Q400 pilot flies 5 days (20 sectors) a month more than Easyjet, so currently that makes up for some of the fact that our seat capacity on the Q400 is only 65-70% of that of a 319.
Then factor in the fact that a Q400 burns probably 2/3 the fuel of a 319 on a similar leg, yet the fare charged will be the same per rpk or probably even more. I think you could say that Flybe are raking it in!!
The Flybe CEO earns £400 000 a year, compared with £674 000 for Willie Walsh at BA, which is roughly 60% of the BA CEO salary. His Flybe share options will however exceed £50 million when the company lists on the stock market, so taken over the past 5 years his total remuneration will exceed that of the BA CEO by many multiples - indeed a factor of ten probably!!!
I think the staff at Flybe (which grew revenue over 8% last year) deserve rather more than a 2% pay rise for their efforts.
Incidentally while SFO upgrade at Easy is a £10k uplift in salary it's £500 at Flybe and you have to stump up £250 to unfreeze your licence yourself for the privilege.
This airline has shown remarkable success in recent years, it could be a fantastic place to be IF management started to reward staff in line with the company's success. We are all tremendously enthusiastic about what has been achieved and what Flybe can do in the next ten years, however the Lancashire mill owner attitude towards workers of late is losing goodwil - and they have always been more important than anything in successful business.
DP
Nobody expects the same pay on a Q400 as on a 737 however you have to ask why SFO's on the 195 earn £37k plus £2k flight pay and Captains earn £59k plus £2k flight pay when these figures are at least £20k higher even at Easyjet, never mind BA on an Airbus 319 which has similar capacity.
Then we also have to factor in that a Flybe Q400 pilot flies 5 days (20 sectors) a month more than Easyjet, so currently that makes up for some of the fact that our seat capacity on the Q400 is only 65-70% of that of a 319.
Then factor in the fact that a Q400 burns probably 2/3 the fuel of a 319 on a similar leg, yet the fare charged will be the same per rpk or probably even more. I think you could say that Flybe are raking it in!!
The Flybe CEO earns £400 000 a year, compared with £674 000 for Willie Walsh at BA, which is roughly 60% of the BA CEO salary. His Flybe share options will however exceed £50 million when the company lists on the stock market, so taken over the past 5 years his total remuneration will exceed that of the BA CEO by many multiples - indeed a factor of ten probably!!!
I think the staff at Flybe (which grew revenue over 8% last year) deserve rather more than a 2% pay rise for their efforts.
Incidentally while SFO upgrade at Easy is a £10k uplift in salary it's £500 at Flybe and you have to stump up £250 to unfreeze your licence yourself for the privilege.
This airline has shown remarkable success in recent years, it could be a fantastic place to be IF management started to reward staff in line with the company's success. We are all tremendously enthusiastic about what has been achieved and what Flybe can do in the next ten years, however the Lancashire mill owner attitude towards workers of late is losing goodwil - and they have always been more important than anything in successful business.
DP
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SS - I am not sure if that justifies a reply really - a tad childish and obviously you attitude shrouds a lack of industry knowledge! Generally the ones who respond with volume or abuse do.
If a jet operator's business model is failing or the economy is on a down-turn, the potential is still there with the range and capacity of a given platform. 30 -70 seats and a 1.5hr flight remains the constant with a TP, so is the demand for a flight from LGW to JSY.
If eg Jet2 have a 767 (about 250 pax) all on a 4-9hr flight wanting drinks, duty free etc.. and buying one of the Jet2 package holidays, car hire and insurance, the flight might work out yielding zero profit, but the bar and the holiday earn the company big money. More than a few quid per seat on a hop to Jersey (we are talking TP's not the Jets). The trick is adaptation to fashion, season and demand; operating a route for the slots knowing that it isn't doing well, is a known tactic to stop others having the slot. It also adds to customer loyalty.
Knowing your customer is extremely important too. If you are based at LCY, your passenger’s expectations are different to that of LBA. The service you provide is adapted to make the most money in the time you have. In a regional hop, the cruise is 30mins at best. They won’t buy anything, especially a FlyBe cup of £3.50 tea.
FlyBe rely on high frequency and nicking other airlines popular routes - they are the cuckoo of the regionals. The fact that their crews are flying 6 sector 11hr days is proof that they don't care.
Agreed, the jet operators in weaker positions have been culled, but the market was being saturated anyway.
As SD mentioned, BALPA is toothless. Forget them!
Hit me with it!
If a jet operator's business model is failing or the economy is on a down-turn, the potential is still there with the range and capacity of a given platform. 30 -70 seats and a 1.5hr flight remains the constant with a TP, so is the demand for a flight from LGW to JSY.
If eg Jet2 have a 767 (about 250 pax) all on a 4-9hr flight wanting drinks, duty free etc.. and buying one of the Jet2 package holidays, car hire and insurance, the flight might work out yielding zero profit, but the bar and the holiday earn the company big money. More than a few quid per seat on a hop to Jersey (we are talking TP's not the Jets). The trick is adaptation to fashion, season and demand; operating a route for the slots knowing that it isn't doing well, is a known tactic to stop others having the slot. It also adds to customer loyalty.
Knowing your customer is extremely important too. If you are based at LCY, your passenger’s expectations are different to that of LBA. The service you provide is adapted to make the most money in the time you have. In a regional hop, the cruise is 30mins at best. They won’t buy anything, especially a FlyBe cup of £3.50 tea.
FlyBe rely on high frequency and nicking other airlines popular routes - they are the cuckoo of the regionals. The fact that their crews are flying 6 sector 11hr days is proof that they don't care.
Agreed, the jet operators in weaker positions have been culled, but the market was being saturated anyway.
As SD mentioned, BALPA is toothless. Forget them!
Hit me with it!
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Would seem you lack knowledge of the industry! Do you have any idea how much money is taken from onboard sales on a SOU-JER 30 min blocktime? Not to mention the plethora of ancillary sales!
You are right about about them been tight fisted and mean though! I hope they learn before they bring a pretty decent airline down!
Would seem you lack knowledge of the industry! Do you have any idea how much money is taken from onboard sales on a SOU-JER 30 min blocktime? Not to mention the plethora of ancillary sales!
You are right about about them been tight fisted and mean though! I hope they learn before they bring a pretty decent airline down!
