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Yeah back on to topic, the 20 Oxford people joining Easyjet on this scheme are the biggest s in aviation.
Those that 'pay' for a position with a certain airline (no names, generally speaking), deserve exactly what they receive...and from some of the comments here, it ain't much.
The airline flying profession is what it is, no more, no less.
No 'experience'?
Up sh!te creek without a paddle.
Pay up...or do without.
EOM.
Those with extensive Command experience (especially on certain types) demand (and get) what they want.
TRE/IRE's included.
I'm one of the few remaining on the L1011, so...I name my price...and I get it.
No questions asked, nor expected.
As it should be, in my considered opinion.
IF...you are on the bottom of the airline ladder...prepare to pay through the nose...or, go elsewhere.
Airlines don't care.
I don't care, either.
Hard facts?
Yup, in spades.
So many young'uns in line for the RHS, I'm surprised some airlines don't charge MORE.
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Or no one pay for it and no one will have to. But there will always be 20 impatient, snot nosed, useless narcissits willing to sh1t on everyone else. So to that end 411A you are probably right - take it or leave it. I'll pass on paying for a TR thanks.
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I am opposed to RYR for a couple of reasons, one from the POV of pax and the other for the erosion in T&Cs I now read about within your industry both of which I will explain. Let the BALPA detractors do likewise because I think that is the only body available to you guys to dig you all out of the hole you seem to be heading down. That is what this thread is about isn't it?
As pax I have seen their charges ramp up on things that cost them no more now than previously such as Electron cards, they have been more than zealous on baggage weight when we have flown and flying with them has been a joyless experience. J2 is Emirates in comparison. Add to that their customer service and you have a dismal airline. It may be cheap(ish) but I don't need to wear the hair shirt too.
Re T&Cs, they kicked things off in UK with BRK contracts thereby creating a two tier workforce, those on BRK essentially had no recourse to BALPA as their contract was not with RYR and when the BALPA guys tarted down the road to recognition RYR, via their stooges and misinformation, managed to throw a spanner in the wheel so entrenching what I see as Wal-Mart practices in the industry.
As I have posted previously on another thread, I do not see BALPA as wonderful, I think it should be a section within Unite, but they seem to me to be the only show in town that can utioise its PR machine in getting the press behind the true story of huge debt being accumulated by wannabes, already profitable airlines skinning them and the possible end result being decreased safety as those in the LHS must have confidence in their FO.
Now let the BALPA detractors state their case.
As pax I have seen their charges ramp up on things that cost them no more now than previously such as Electron cards, they have been more than zealous on baggage weight when we have flown and flying with them has been a joyless experience. J2 is Emirates in comparison. Add to that their customer service and you have a dismal airline. It may be cheap(ish) but I don't need to wear the hair shirt too.
Re T&Cs, they kicked things off in UK with BRK contracts thereby creating a two tier workforce, those on BRK essentially had no recourse to BALPA as their contract was not with RYR and when the BALPA guys tarted down the road to recognition RYR, via their stooges and misinformation, managed to throw a spanner in the wheel so entrenching what I see as Wal-Mart practices in the industry.
As I have posted previously on another thread, I do not see BALPA as wonderful, I think it should be a section within Unite, but they seem to me to be the only show in town that can utioise its PR machine in getting the press behind the true story of huge debt being accumulated by wannabes, already profitable airlines skinning them and the possible end result being decreased safety as those in the LHS must have confidence in their FO.
Now let the BALPA detractors state their case.
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I'm one of the few remaining on the L1011, so...I name my price...and I get it.
No questions asked, nor expected.
As it should be, in my considered opinion.
IF...you are on the bottom of the airline ladder...prepare to pay through the nose...or, go elsewhere.
Airlines don't care.
I don't care, either.
No questions asked, nor expected.
As it should be, in my considered opinion.
IF...you are on the bottom of the airline ladder...prepare to pay through the nose...or, go elsewhere.
Airlines don't care.
I don't care, either.
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Originally Posted by TheBeak
Yeah back on to topic, the 20 Oxford people joining Easyjet on this scheme are the biggest 
s in aviation.
s in aviation.If you do a bit of background research you'll discover this person is not a professional pilot, and in fact failed the Oxford assessment a few years ago. Not surprisingly, he has an axe to grind and has invited a few of his teenage friends along to help.
I don't suggest blocking his posts, but this otherwise interesting thread is being drowned in his written diarrhoea.
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I absolutely did not fail the assessment. Can you even? That's about as much as I'll rise to you evil. Given you have just signed up I take it you are one of the 20 then you . Know how much contempt I have for you.
Also given you have just signed up I think it's unlikely people will heed your advice. They can do what they like to be quite honest. Now let's not divert the attention away from this dreadful scheme and it's dreadful partakers anymore.
. Know how much contempt I have for you.Also given you have just signed up I think it's unlikely people will heed your advice. They can do what they like to be quite honest. Now let's not divert the attention away from this dreadful scheme and it's dreadful partakers anymore.
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65 million passengers have voted with their feet. So that would indicate that you are in a minority. Another minority that you are in, is that you are not a pilot posting an awful lot on FR pilots terms and conditions. Do you really know what working for FR is like. No. Do you know what FR contract pilots take home each year? No.
What do you appear to know about? BALPA. As I said before. Ashtrays and motorbikes.
What do you appear to know about? BALPA. As I said before. Ashtrays and motorbikes.
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I'll leave aside that the 65m figure is individual journeys not pax.
I do not post "an awful lot on FR pilots terms and conditions", I never have done, I have posted on degradation of T&Cs in the industry which is somewhat related to this thread, others have posted on RYR T&Cs. I would not think about commenting on them other than to make the observations I have. I also have no idea (or interest) of what a BRK pilot takes home, I am only informed by the thread running some time ago re the BALPA ballot at RYR. Read it.
"BALPA. As I said before. Ashtrays and motorbikes." I'll leave aside that you did not say it before but what I wrote was "Now let the BALPA detractors state their case" You haven't. At least not coherently.
I do not post "an awful lot on FR pilots terms and conditions", I never have done, I have posted on degradation of T&Cs in the industry which is somewhat related to this thread, others have posted on RYR T&Cs. I would not think about commenting on them other than to make the observations I have. I also have no idea (or interest) of what a BRK pilot takes home, I am only informed by the thread running some time ago re the BALPA ballot at RYR. Read it.
"BALPA. As I said before. Ashtrays and motorbikes." I'll leave aside that you did not say it before but what I wrote was "Now let the BALPA detractors state their case" You haven't. At least not coherently.
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The only ass around here is the Beak. I know one of the 20 people he flames repeatedly and he treaded water in the BA hold pool for almost two years while funding his own currency. I'd hardly call that impatient. These 20 people are over a barrel due to poor timing, nothing more, nothing less.
If airlines could cut pilot pay, they'd do it across the board in a recession like this. The pilots and unions would never stand for it, so the next best thing they can do is change who pays for type and line training. Would that the existing pilots and unions kicked up as much fuss about this as they would a threat to their own pay. Instead they come on here and bad mouth 20 people they know almost nothing about, save a few who are prescient enough to recognize it is a threat to their pay and focus their anger where it really belongs, on shortsighted managers.
If airlines could cut pilot pay, they'd do it across the board in a recession like this. The pilots and unions would never stand for it, so the next best thing they can do is change who pays for type and line training. Would that the existing pilots and unions kicked up as much fuss about this as they would a threat to their own pay. Instead they come on here and bad mouth 20 people they know almost nothing about, save a few who are prescient enough to recognize it is a threat to their pay and focus their anger where it really belongs, on shortsighted managers.
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apparently applications for new Class 1 medical certificates are significantly down according to someone in the CAA. It looks as though the flow may be dwindling to a dribble.
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The belittleing one called them that or something similar in his post 260. I offer my humble apology if the censor bar was blocking out 'heroe'. If one cares to get full credit for his or her insults, perhaps one could throw in a few more characters.
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I wasn't refering to them as asses, I was refereing to them as berkshire hunts. Is that better? So why didn't your boyfriend apply to Ryanair if he's willing to pay for a TR and is so 'great' as to have passed the all singing, all dancing BA selection which selects you on the basis of your writing skills? He'd be paid better and the TR costs less. And the prospects are better. Sounds like bull to me. Tell him to read my posts and absorb them.
to me. Tell him to read my posts and absorb them.
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On the other hand, I would ask, does it really make a difference?
Those that 'pay' for a position with a certain airline (no names, generally speaking), deserve exactly what they receive...and from some of the comments here, it ain't much.
The airline flying profession is what it is, no more, no less.
No 'experience'?
Up sh!te creek without a paddle.
Pay up...or do without.
EOM.
Those with extensive Command experience (especially on certain types) demand (and get) what they want.
TRE/IRE's included.
I'm one of the few remaining on the L1011, so...I name my price...and I get it.
No questions asked, nor expected.
As it should be, in my considered opinion.
IF...you are on the bottom of the airline ladder...prepare to pay through the nose...or, go elsewhere.
Airlines don't care.
I don't care, either.
Hard facts?
Yup, in spades.
Those that 'pay' for a position with a certain airline (no names, generally speaking), deserve exactly what they receive...and from some of the comments here, it ain't much.
The airline flying profession is what it is, no more, no less.
No 'experience'?
Up sh!te creek without a paddle.
Pay up...or do without.
EOM.
Those with extensive Command experience (especially on certain types) demand (and get) what they want.
TRE/IRE's included.
I'm one of the few remaining on the L1011, so...I name my price...and I get it.
No questions asked, nor expected.
As it should be, in my considered opinion.
IF...you are on the bottom of the airline ladder...prepare to pay through the nose...or, go elsewhere.
Airlines don't care.
I don't care, either.
Hard facts?
Yup, in spades.
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nice individual you are, TheBeak
TheBeak, whoever you are, while I do understand and somewhat agree with a lot of your points, I think your attitude is one of the worst I have seen on these fora.
Almost your entire post history is a concoction of insults and offensive comments directed at YOUR peers (yes the very people who may be in the exact same boat you were in, in March 2007... 23 yo PPL, should I join the Army, should I not?..). Calling them wh0res and other nice educated words you've been spewing out on here will certainly carry YOU far in your chosen career, I am sure. Funny you should direct your anger/frustration at them rather than at the airlines who exploit them in the first place. Do you also shave your head, wear big combat boots and camo bomber jacket and drive to unpopular areas of town and shout at prostitutes "wh0res, get out of here!". Wouldn't be surprised if you did. Bet you'd also find it fun and go home and sleep with a big imbecilic grin on your face.
Funny also, that you should comment so vehemently on being anti-SSTR when your airline (ASSUMING, and this is a huge assumption, that you flew an 737NG around, based on the fact apparently you only had a PPL in 2007 so God knows how you ended up in 2009 with a couple hundred hours in a 737NG, and apparently with XL...) used to bond heavily or charge their cadets for TR (I don't remember the details, but it's irrelevant today anyway) and pay them peanuts (yeah, that's right, the XL cadets had a shyte deal too!), but hey, what do I know, I never worked for them. Don't see you fighting for your cause on the BALPA forums either. Or on the Fragrant Harbour Wannabes forum calling the new cadets wh0res for bypassing all the DESO poolies onto the SO positions. Not meeting your agenda hey.
Whilst on the topic of you being so disgusted with your fellow CPL/IR holders, some of your XL cronies shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a light a/c, let alone on a heavy jet with fare-paying holiday-making families in the back. Are you one of those God's gifts to aviation?
In any case, the majority of those ex-OAA XL folks seem to be doing pretty well for themselves right now, in other airlines, including (yes, the dreaded one) RYANAIR. Don't see any ex-XL FD crew here calling your fellow pilots wh0res and mother*** numpties.
What happened? (Again on the massive assumption you were at XL after OAA) Ryanair didn't want you? They didn't like your stinking attitude in Africa? Charter airlines at LGW told you to go stuff it where the sun don't shine? Or did you think Cathay was picking you out of the DESO/DEFO pool (oh, how odd, haven't seen any of those poolies calling the new cadets wh0res..), or BA out of the DEP pool (ops, sorry, you don't do singing&dancing for BA and flying a 744 sim to SOP) or perhaps Emirates inviting you for a couple days of sun-n-fun in Dubai?
Oh yeah that's right, it all doesn't meet your agenda.
NSF said it right once, if you were making so much money at 22, you picked the wrong game to try your hand at. Whatever was giving you the big bucks before, perhaps you should stick to it till you retire because you sure ain't going to make big bucks flying big jets around, cut n' dry (using some of 411A's lingo).
As far as the OAA/EZY deal. Sure it's terrible, deplorable. You can stomp your feet and spit in your fellow pilots' faces all you like, it's not going to change anything, they have been selected, they have been given TRs, they will go ahead and do it. Done deal now. "Alea iacta est" (little Latin for you to Google, you like them buzzword things don't ya, you illiterate pathetic little excuse for a blue book holder). Your b!tching is targeted at the wrong audience.
Thank goodness, there are thousands of pilots out there who have a completely different attitude to yours and most importantly who take people like you for what they are: a troll. I read and absorbed your posts alright, they stink of troll sh*t.
I am done with the feeding, have a nice time, I am sure I will never see you flying a plane (certainly not one I am a pax on).
Almost your entire post history is a concoction of insults and offensive comments directed at YOUR peers (yes the very people who may be in the exact same boat you were in, in March 2007... 23 yo PPL, should I join the Army, should I not?..). Calling them wh0res and other nice educated words you've been spewing out on here will certainly carry YOU far in your chosen career, I am sure. Funny you should direct your anger/frustration at them rather than at the airlines who exploit them in the first place. Do you also shave your head, wear big combat boots and camo bomber jacket and drive to unpopular areas of town and shout at prostitutes "wh0res, get out of here!". Wouldn't be surprised if you did. Bet you'd also find it fun and go home and sleep with a big imbecilic grin on your face.
Funny also, that you should comment so vehemently on being anti-SSTR when your airline (ASSUMING, and this is a huge assumption, that you flew an 737NG around, based on the fact apparently you only had a PPL in 2007 so God knows how you ended up in 2009 with a couple hundred hours in a 737NG, and apparently with XL...) used to bond heavily or charge their cadets for TR (I don't remember the details, but it's irrelevant today anyway) and pay them peanuts (yeah, that's right, the XL cadets had a shyte deal too!), but hey, what do I know, I never worked for them. Don't see you fighting for your cause on the BALPA forums either. Or on the Fragrant Harbour Wannabes forum calling the new cadets wh0res for bypassing all the DESO poolies onto the SO positions. Not meeting your agenda hey.
Whilst on the topic of you being so disgusted with your fellow CPL/IR holders, some of your XL cronies shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a light a/c, let alone on a heavy jet with fare-paying holiday-making families in the back. Are you one of those God's gifts to aviation?
In any case, the majority of those ex-OAA XL folks seem to be doing pretty well for themselves right now, in other airlines, including (yes, the dreaded one) RYANAIR. Don't see any ex-XL FD crew here calling your fellow pilots wh0res and mother*** numpties.
What happened? (Again on the massive assumption you were at XL after OAA) Ryanair didn't want you? They didn't like your stinking attitude in Africa? Charter airlines at LGW told you to go stuff it where the sun don't shine? Or did you think Cathay was picking you out of the DESO/DEFO pool (oh, how odd, haven't seen any of those poolies calling the new cadets wh0res..), or BA out of the DEP pool (ops, sorry, you don't do singing&dancing for BA and flying a 744 sim to SOP) or perhaps Emirates inviting you for a couple days of sun-n-fun in Dubai?
Oh yeah that's right, it all doesn't meet your agenda.
NSF said it right once, if you were making so much money at 22, you picked the wrong game to try your hand at. Whatever was giving you the big bucks before, perhaps you should stick to it till you retire because you sure ain't going to make big bucks flying big jets around, cut n' dry (using some of 411A's lingo).
As far as the OAA/EZY deal. Sure it's terrible, deplorable. You can stomp your feet and spit in your fellow pilots' faces all you like, it's not going to change anything, they have been selected, they have been given TRs, they will go ahead and do it. Done deal now. "Alea iacta est" (little Latin for you to Google, you like them buzzword things don't ya, you illiterate pathetic little excuse for a blue book holder). Your b!tching is targeted at the wrong audience.
Thank goodness, there are thousands of pilots out there who have a completely different attitude to yours and most importantly who take people like you for what they are: a troll. I read and absorbed your posts alright, they stink of troll sh*t.
I am done with the feeding, have a nice time, I am sure I will never see you flying a plane (certainly not one I am a pax on).