On strike with Ryanair!
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Biz keep your questions for you. You're a shame for airfrance and french pilots in general. Not everybody got the chance to join a flag career airline and you need pilots to run other business anyway. We all know that you work for AF "Biz airfrance" 
and that your are the best, working for the best airline if that's what you want to hear 
. How do you think AF has acquired such good T&C over the years? Probably because of strong unions and going on strike when necessary. It takes times but things change, even in FR. I do support my FR collegues and I hope they will make this airline one of the best to work for 
and that your are the best, working for the best airline if that's what you want to hear . How do you think AF has acquired such good T&C over the years? Probably because of strong unions and going on strike when necessary. It takes times but things change, even in FR. I do support my FR collegues and I hope they will make this airline one of the best to work for
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Leo, regarding your video, (posted a while back) in which you said :-
Surely you meant the present ? It looks just like the ERC's .....
Keep up the good work
What a wonderful vision of the future.
Keep up the good work
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Well done Ryanair management. 
You have just handed the commercial advantage to Easyjet, Jet2 and the rest of our competitors in Europe’s biggest market! 
All because you can't be bothered or give one to sit down with your employees represented by a professional association. How very sad could you be? Your way or no way it seems. You act like children who can't get their own way and start to spit the dummy out and make threats to your employees.
Easyjet and the others must be rubbing their hands in glee at the way you as management see the need to press the self destruct button and wreck what good work yourselves and us as employees have done over the years.
Well done! That’s called sensible management.
You have just handed the commercial advantage to Easyjet, Jet2 and the rest of our competitors in Europe’s biggest market! All because you can't be bothered or give one to sit down with your employees represented by a professional association. How very sad could you be? Your way or no way it seems. You act like children who can't get their own way and start to spit the dummy out and make threats to your employees.
Easyjet and the others must be rubbing their hands in glee at the way you as management see the need to press the self destruct button and wreck what good work yourselves and us as employees have done over the years.
Well done! That’s called sensible management.
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Hey Babemagnet,
Just to remind you what Ryanair annouced in its website:
So, don't stick the troll!
Just to remind you what Ryanair annouced in its website:
So, don't stick the troll!
RYANAIR ANNOUNCES FULL YEAR NET PROFIT OF€105M
FARES FALL 8% AS TRAFFIC GROWS 15% TO 59M PASSENGERS
PROFITS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE TO OVER €200M IN CURRENT YEAR.
Hey MOL,
How much did you cut off your incomes?
Do you pay for your car park?
Do you have a pension paid by Ryanair? I really wish to know that!
How much did you cut off your incomes?
Do you pay for your car park?
Do you have a pension paid by Ryanair? I really wish to know that!
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Originally Posted by BIZ_airfrance
I have question to you. Why did you go to ryanair in knowing it is the worse companie, and now you want to strike ??
Originally Posted by BIZ_airfrance
To my humble opignon you should have boycotted ryanair and apply to companie betters.
As told your "philippe de villiers" (or maybe Sarkosy, isn't it), I will say "Help us or leave us!"
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BIZ,
Do you understand English language?
Does someone criticize AF Cadets?
That's not the point of this thread...
A I could see, BALPA call for petition to UK and Non UK pilots, IALPA call to join REPA, I did... Am really upset
Do you understand English language?
Does someone criticize AF Cadets?
That's not the point of this thread...
A I could see, BALPA call for petition to UK and Non UK pilots, IALPA call to join REPA, I did... Am really upset
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biz airfrance,
there are many frenchmen working in Ryanair, many of them tell me there are no jobs available in France; what should they do then?What does AirFrance mama do for them if they have to migrate abroad for jobs?
Try to keep your views constructive because the solution is not found in avoiding Ryanair or leaving it because there are no alternatives unless AirFrance wants to hire 3000 737 qualified pilots.
What Ryanair pilots need from other european pilots now is SUPPORT because they are fighting a battle that crosses many european borders and affects not only Ireland or the UK but the whole airline business in Europe with around 200 aircraft and 30 bases all across the european continent.
Salut.
there are many frenchmen working in Ryanair, many of them tell me there are no jobs available in France; what should they do then?What does AirFrance mama do for them if they have to migrate abroad for jobs?
Try to keep your views constructive because the solution is not found in avoiding Ryanair or leaving it because there are no alternatives unless AirFrance wants to hire 3000 737 qualified pilots.
What Ryanair pilots need from other european pilots now is SUPPORT because they are fighting a battle that crosses many european borders and affects not only Ireland or the UK but the whole airline business in Europe with around 200 aircraft and 30 bases all across the european continent.
Salut.
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Guys,
Again sorry for the noise, this BiZ_airfrance is just a French pilot so bored that he has nothing else to do but try and make me and my english look bad here... That's sad, but please ignore his messages, he has NOTHING to do with Air France whatsoever.
Again sorry for the noise, this BiZ_airfrance is just a French pilot so bored that he has nothing else to do but try and make me and my english look bad here... That's sad, but please ignore his messages, he has NOTHING to do with Air France whatsoever.
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That will be Level 4 English then I guess ?
Apples and Oranges, of course Air France pay for everything, they are a traditional formerly
state subsidised flag carrier, Ryanair are a bunch of cheap skates (now which part of low cost didn't you understand ? )
But, how many pilots do AF recruit in a year versus how many aspiring young men & women make themselves available. By all means be happy AF paid for everything including giving you a salary at a time you were not even productive, but don't be surprised or criticise a low cost base company when they save (or even make money ) on pilot training. If the individuals involved were happy to wait for that AF/BA job to come along and spent some time instead doing something else like Turboprop F/O or instructor, the system wouldn't milk them as it does now. However, even these jobs are in very short supply, and for newbees RYR is fast becoming the only show in town. Because of this you shouldn't be so quick to criticise those who have taken on vast debt to pay their way, they din't have much choice, and do you really think a businessman of the acumen and mentality of MOL would pass up on the opportunity to profit from the situation. I don't think you really understand the big bad world outside of your sheltered existence. I am very happy for you. . . really I am, but try and have more understanding of the real world out there that others are forced to live & work in, maybe in 20 years it might be the same for you ? 
it is what Mr Sarkozy would dream , non ? 
Apples and Oranges, of course Air France pay for everything, they are a traditional formerly
state subsidised flag carrier, Ryanair are a bunch of cheap skates (now which part of low cost didn't you understand ? )But, how many pilots do AF recruit in a year versus how many aspiring young men & women make themselves available. By all means be happy AF paid for everything including giving you a salary at a time you were not even productive, but don't be surprised or criticise a low cost base company when they save (or even make money
) on pilot training. If the individuals involved were happy to wait for that AF/BA job to come along and spent some time instead doing something else like Turboprop F/O or instructor, the system wouldn't milk them as it does now. However, even these jobs are in very short supply, and for newbees RYR is fast becoming the only show in town. Because of this you shouldn't be so quick to criticise those who have taken on vast debt to pay their way, they din't have much choice, and do you really think a businessman of the acumen and mentality of MOL would pass up on the opportunity to profit from the situation. I don't think you really understand the big bad world outside of your sheltered existence. I am very happy for you. . . really I am, but try and have more understanding of the real world out there that others are forced to live & work in, maybe in 20 years it might be the same for you ? it is what Mr Sarkozy would dream , non ?
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Leo
As opposed to the "Roulette" Memo! You disgust me with your inquity, but I'll hand it to you, you're one funny guy(s)!
Hope you don't mind the colour, all your talk of insertions makes me think it is appropriate.
Newsletters, all of which are a study in the devious black art of deceit, falsehood and distortion.
Hope you don't mind the colour, all your talk of insertions makes me think it is appropriate.
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re memo posted today
As a first time poster on this forum,but a long time reader,i feel its time to express my feelings regarding the latest base freeze/possible reduncies memo issued today.Im still not sure if BALPA recognition is a good thing,over the last few months i have changed my mind on a daily basis,flying with different captains,who have a different outlook and idea about what it would mean,be it for or against recognition.
However after todays memo,im starting to think this whole thing could be a complete waste of time,will BALPA get in,i dont think so.so this whole thing has just made the conditions even worse,not better!!
Now im getting realy pi**ed off,fair enough,talk of BALPA is great,everyone gets angy,great...but when it starts to effect my personal life well then its going too far,at the end of the day we only get one shot at life,i enjoy 5-4,the money is good,and i dont live for work,i work to live,i have better things to do on my days off than worry about flying etc.i have a wife that doesnt live here,i commute on my days off,im also close to my required command upgrade hours.Now i cannot get the base in the uk i have requested,which is nearer home,i wont get a shot at my command,so my potntial earnings are lost and my wife now hates me and my job!!
I feel that the guys that are spearheading this campaign havent really the same 'issues' as myself,and others,a lowly FO.These are captains,whos familys are close by,they already get double my salary,so a base freeze and an upgrade ban doesnt bother them!!ridiculous!!
At this stage of the game i dont give a damn what happens,things cant get that much worse........oh yeah,loss of allowance and 5-2......i think i will be heading for a divorce....
You talk about dignity and respect,what about the loss of quality of life!!thats more important to me guys!
As other people have commented of other airlines,what happens if/when BALPA gets in?are you telling me that its going to change for the better overnight?i dont think so,to the managment this is a game,they are willing to close bases,remove aircraft,in effect,they are willing to lose money in order to prove a point and to win the 'game',they will never work with a union!
I know im probably going to get a lot of flack from some people on here,especially being a 'first timer' but hey,its my view,and this is what pprune is for isnt it?
As a first time poster on this forum,but a long time reader,i feel its time to express my feelings regarding the latest base freeze/possible reduncies memo issued today.Im still not sure if BALPA recognition is a good thing,over the last few months i have changed my mind on a daily basis,flying with different captains,who have a different outlook and idea about what it would mean,be it for or against recognition.
However after todays memo,im starting to think this whole thing could be a complete waste of time,will BALPA get in,i dont think so.so this whole thing has just made the conditions even worse,not better!!
Now im getting realy pi**ed off,fair enough,talk of BALPA is great,everyone gets angy,great...but when it starts to effect my personal life well then its going too far,at the end of the day we only get one shot at life,i enjoy 5-4,the money is good,and i dont live for work,i work to live,i have better things to do on my days off than worry about flying etc.i have a wife that doesnt live here,i commute on my days off,im also close to my required command upgrade hours.Now i cannot get the base in the uk i have requested,which is nearer home,i wont get a shot at my command,so my potntial earnings are lost and my wife now hates me and my job!!
I feel that the guys that are spearheading this campaign havent really the same 'issues' as myself,and others,a lowly FO.These are captains,whos familys are close by,they already get double my salary,so a base freeze and an upgrade ban doesnt bother them!!ridiculous!!
At this stage of the game i dont give a damn what happens,things cant get that much worse........oh yeah,loss of allowance and 5-2......i think i will be heading for a divorce....
You talk about dignity and respect,what about the loss of quality of life!!thats more important to me guys!
As other people have commented of other airlines,what happens if/when BALPA gets in?are you telling me that its going to change for the better overnight?i dont think so,to the managment this is a game,they are willing to close bases,remove aircraft,in effect,they are willing to lose money in order to prove a point and to win the 'game',they will never work with a union!
I know im probably going to get a lot of flack from some people on here,especially being a 'first timer' but hey,its my view,and this is what pprune is for isnt it?
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Backwardsman, good post. What we do know is that if BALPA comes in we will (in the UK)
1. Loose our 5000 (Cpt) allowances 2500 (FOs)
2. Go to a 5-2/5-3 roster
3. No transfers, no CU upgrades no nothing for good
4. Loss of jobs at closed down bases. Most likely having to quit Ryanair or move to a new base in the continent on the new T&Cs. Not good either.
So what is BALPA going to do if they get in?? Are they going to pay us our 5000 allowances?? Are they going to fight to keep our 5-4?
We all know the answer. No. Once they are in, nothing is going to happen! They can call as many meeting they want, which in return FR will tell them to shove it everytime. FACT. Look how well RPA did in Ireland.
Guys, voting for BALPA is only going to cost you your job (maybe), make you have a pay cut and be put on a 5-2 roster with FO progression grinding down to a halt. The gun is in our hand, its up to us not to shoot ourselves. Think about it.
1. Loose our 5000 (Cpt) allowances 2500 (FOs)
2. Go to a 5-2/5-3 roster
3. No transfers, no CU upgrades no nothing for good
4. Loss of jobs at closed down bases. Most likely having to quit Ryanair or move to a new base in the continent on the new T&Cs. Not good either.
So what is BALPA going to do if they get in?? Are they going to pay us our 5000 allowances?? Are they going to fight to keep our 5-4?
We all know the answer. No. Once they are in, nothing is going to happen! They can call as many meeting they want, which in return FR will tell them to shove it everytime. FACT. Look how well RPA did in Ireland.
Guys, voting for BALPA is only going to cost you your job (maybe), make you have a pay cut and be put on a 5-2 roster with FO progression grinding down to a halt. The gun is in our hand, its up to us not to shoot ourselves. Think about it.
BALPA isn't a solution - it's just a tool you can use. If you use it right, it'll do the job. But BALPA, like any union, is only as strong as the will of its members. So it looks like MOL has nothing to worry about, with you bunch of spineless loosers
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Come on guys. Wake up. Biz Airfrance is a poor Peter Sellers imitator. He might even be Borat on a new wind up. Not even a French peasant would write english like that. Ignore him.
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Backwardsman- Fair enough but perhaps you are failing to see the problem of employment from a Captains' point of view?
Whilst I sympathise with your current situation do you think that I have not been there myself? Along with hundreds of others? Do you honestly think that whomever is involved in the campaign at a high level has not considered and discussed chaps exactly like yourself?
We are closing in on an application/ballot or wherever the process is at but Ryanair are already bullying, threatening and implementing new policy deliberately designed to make your/my life as miserable as possible.
What about the chap one step behind you? What about the one behind him and so on... Do you not want to help them? Do you want to help me?
Next time you fly ask you colleague how he/she made it to the left seat, what he or she had to sacrifice, what he or she would like from their career?
Balpa/Ryanair pilots have not stitched you in any way whatsoever - Ryanair have with their infantile perspective on management.
Whilst I sympathise with your current situation do you think that I have not been there myself? Along with hundreds of others? Do you honestly think that whomever is involved in the campaign at a high level has not considered and discussed chaps exactly like yourself?
We are closing in on an application/ballot or wherever the process is at but Ryanair are already bullying, threatening and implementing new policy deliberately designed to make your/my life as miserable as possible.
What about the chap one step behind you? What about the one behind him and so on... Do you not want to help them? Do you want to help me?
Next time you fly ask you colleague how he/she made it to the left seat, what he or she had to sacrifice, what he or she would like from their career?
Balpa/Ryanair pilots have not stitched you in any way whatsoever - Ryanair have with their infantile perspective on management.