On strike with Ryanair!
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This is why i love pprune, everyone thinks they know whats best for everyone - it makes for such amusing reading!
Personally i love my job at RYR for lots of reasons, been here a while now but thats my personal choice and who are you to tell me im wrong or that i need to "join a proper airline" ?
In saying that - i fully support this BALPA campaign as yes - we do need some "dignity and respect" from management and i feel we would entice more RYR guys IF BALPA told us how they can help us. I receive the newsletters every week and there are always stories of what theyve done for other airlines and telling us how bad RYR is but theres never anything telling us what they will achieve - just that we need to sign a ballot. After talking to some of my colleagues - this is the main point in holding the whole process back.
So when you lot come on here to sl@g us all off for flying with RYR just remember that just because we are FR pilots (all for differing reasons) doesnt mean we dont want respect. And by calling us names, trying to make out that we are somehow scum and saying we drop our trousers....etc makes you look like a
and isnt overlly productive to us trying to achieve our goal. Also points out to us that you have absolutely no idea about what is actually going on amoungst the FR pilot community.
RANT OVER - awaiting comeback....!
Personally i love my job at RYR for lots of reasons, been here a while now but thats my personal choice and who are you to tell me im wrong or that i need to "join a proper airline" ?
In saying that - i fully support this BALPA campaign as yes - we do need some "dignity and respect" from management and i feel we would entice more RYR guys IF BALPA told us how they can help us. I receive the newsletters every week and there are always stories of what theyve done for other airlines and telling us how bad RYR is but theres never anything telling us what they will achieve - just that we need to sign a ballot. After talking to some of my colleagues - this is the main point in holding the whole process back.
So when you lot come on here to sl@g us all off for flying with RYR just remember that just because we are FR pilots (all for differing reasons) doesnt mean we dont want respect. And by calling us names, trying to make out that we are somehow scum and saying we drop our trousers....etc makes you look like a
and isnt overlly productive to us trying to achieve our goal. Also points out to us that you have absolutely no idea about what is actually going on amoungst the FR pilot community.RANT OVER - awaiting comeback....!
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That's what I just said, some people enjoy Ryanair.
CommandB, I guess you like paying your hotels? paying your sims and your training? paying your carpark? paying your uniform? and so on...?
Do you like being treating like chite when you call Crewcontrol because you need something?
Do you like arriving in a crew room (whatever the base) and nothing works (like every base)... And if you are delayed due to that fact, our lovely chief pilot call us telling us this not a good reason!
And you are still nothing!
I guess you like that!
So some people are pissed off, and want something normal, even with Ryanair, but we have to fight for that!
And some people enjoy it!
CommandB, I guess you like paying your hotels? paying your sims and your training? paying your carpark? paying your uniform? and so on...?
Do you like being treating like chite when you call Crewcontrol because you need something?
Do you like arriving in a crew room (whatever the base) and nothing works (like every base)... And if you are delayed due to that fact, our lovely chief pilot call us telling us this not a good reason!
And you are still nothing!
I guess you like that!
So some people are pissed off, and want something normal, even with Ryanair, but we have to fight for that!
And some people enjoy it!
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CommandB,
I totally agree with you, just couldn't be bothered replying to the idiots that verbally abuse FR pilots. It's hard to believe any of them are actually professional pilots.
FRpilot - I think CommandB wants the same thing as you, you may need to reread His/Her post.
I totally agree with you, just couldn't be bothered replying to the idiots that verbally abuse FR pilots. It's hard to believe any of them are actually professional pilots.
FRpilot - I think CommandB wants the same thing as you, you may need to reread His/Her post.
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Wind Check
As a Union member I'm waiting for the rest to catch up. I've been waiting along time for the utopia of union recon. We all know what the terms are like at FR. We all know they need changing and leaving won't change that only to find what you leave behind catching up with you. I am here to be counted if we ever get a chance to vote for change.
I've looked at all the options and most would only be a reduction in pay. The so called "good airlines" are letting people go, the ones that are hiring are doing so on lower conditions than the established employees "looking after themselves" one might think.
My main agreement with CommandB was with regards to the gimps that come on here and refer to FR pilots as "scum".
So Wind Check - please don't group me as a reason for the decrease in the condition of FR.
If you work here, what have you done to promote change.
As a Union member I'm waiting for the rest to catch up. I've been waiting along time for the utopia of union recon. We all know what the terms are like at FR. We all know they need changing and leaving won't change that only to find what you leave behind catching up with you. I am here to be counted if we ever get a chance to vote for change.
I've looked at all the options and most would only be a reduction in pay. The so called "good airlines" are letting people go, the ones that are hiring are doing so on lower conditions than the established employees "looking after themselves" one might think.
My main agreement with CommandB was with regards to the gimps that come on here and refer to FR pilots as "scum".
So Wind Check - please don't group me as a reason for the decrease in the condition of FR.
If you work here, what have you done to promote change.
Unstable approach in Rome
I have just read from www.flightglobal.com about an unstable approach in Rome.
The Captain had lost one of his sons three days before the incident and the FO was a "pay for training" with only 475 hrs total time, 300 hrs in the B738 and according to the magazine no experience in bad weather.
This is the link,
Ryanair captain flew unstable approach days after son's death
Keep trying Ryanair, sooner or later, two plus two is four...
The Captain had lost one of his sons three days before the incident and the FO was a "pay for training" with only 475 hrs total time, 300 hrs in the B738 and according to the magazine no experience in bad weather.
This is the link,
Ryanair captain flew unstable approach days after son's death
Keep trying Ryanair, sooner or later, two plus two is four...
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What a load of crap!!!
Ryanair= best roster in the industry, always home at night, if you need to travel from base to base its free, if you have to fly out of your base you get money to cover hotels and best of all you get fantastic money!
Thank you.
Ryanair= best roster in the industry, always home at night, if you need to travel from base to base its free, if you have to fly out of your base you get money to cover hotels and best of all you get fantastic money!
Thank you.
Travel/hotel? Hey, they want you there, you wanna be home remember?
Fantastic money, we wouldn't be talking about that depreciating coin called sterling something right?
RYR, freaking virus. Make 2 cts on the dollar and copycats pop up like damn mushrooms. Continue to rape the industry man and call you company Gold but we all no its cheap plastic - made in China - , only instead of the sweatshops its suckers like FRPilot that bite the bullet.
You get what you pay for
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Originally Posted by easymoney
FRpilot - I think CommandB wants the same thing as you, you may need to reread His/Her post.
To all FR pilots: talk about this around you, during you're flight, it's maybe the time to say STOP before MOL decides to substract something else...
Ryanair pilots use to have a pension, a social security, hotels paid, and so on... as a common airline!
And now? what do have pilots? nought! think about this!
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@ Commandb
You are right to say that you should not be called names just because you fly for a crap outfit but wanting "dignity and respect", come on mate, get real.
Only way you are gonna get some respect is by walking away from that malicious joint.
The biggest challenge for a union in a company is to create a common interest amongst its members. By the looks of it, that ain't happening. 2nd item on the to-do list becomes exciting management that employee's quality of life improves productivity. Clearly a lesson that your CEO missed in his days at school (he did go to school didn't he?)
Keep on trucking
You are right to say that you should not be called names just because you fly for a crap outfit but wanting "dignity and respect", come on mate, get real.
Only way you are gonna get some respect is by walking away from that malicious joint.
The biggest challenge for a union in a company is to create a common interest amongst its members. By the looks of it, that ain't happening. 2nd item on the to-do list becomes exciting management that employee's quality of life improves productivity. Clearly a lesson that your CEO missed in his days at school (he did go to school didn't he?)
Keep on trucking
Not bad wishes
My dear friend, not bad wishes only facts.
I had passed the recruitment process with Brooksfield for Ryanair in June 2007.
After passing the sim and the interviews, Declan Doney called me for giving to me the "good news" of being positive for the job.
But there was a little problem...23,000 euros, no salary, no hotel or accomodation during training.
At that moment, I was DC10 Captain with 3200 hrs in the Dead Cruicer, more than 5000 hrs total time. So I had decided to refuse the job.
Ryanair doesn't want pilots, they want only "cash".
Tell me if in any normal company a Captain after losing his son is gonna fly???
Even in the Asian companies in the same scenario you are gonna have one week off.
But in Ryanair if you don't fly you don't eat.
I had passed the recruitment process with Brooksfield for Ryanair in June 2007.
After passing the sim and the interviews, Declan Doney called me for giving to me the "good news" of being positive for the job.
But there was a little problem...23,000 euros, no salary, no hotel or accomodation during training.
At that moment, I was DC10 Captain with 3200 hrs in the Dead Cruicer, more than 5000 hrs total time. So I had decided to refuse the job.
Ryanair doesn't want pilots, they want only "cash".
Tell me if in any normal company a Captain after losing his son is gonna fly???
Even in the Asian companies in the same scenario you are gonna have one week off.
But in Ryanair if you don't fly you don't eat.
"At that moment, I was DC-10 captain with 3200 hours in the Dead Cruicer, more than 5000 hrs total time".
Now 5000 - 3200 = 1800.
Do you mean that you got your command on the DC-10 with only 1800 hours in your logbook or did that come later?
I only ask because I had a lot more than 5000 hrs before I became a DC-10 captain.
Now 5000 - 3200 = 1800.
Do you mean that you got your command on the DC-10 with only 1800 hours in your logbook or did that come later?
I only ask because I had a lot more than 5000 hrs before I became a DC-10 captain.
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Just enjoyed reading the latest anti balpa publication from the company!
i really am bored of hearing about it now, does make me laugh though, if ryanair are not at all bothered about balpa why go out of there way to make some big pro's and con's list about it!
there must be something to it, but i do recon that initialy balpa recognition will mean lower terms and conditions as management would over react and go to town on balpa and the pilots just cos they can,, then if it starts to cost them money they will start to deal a little at a time to maybe get back to a level where we are now with a couple of crap frilly bits on the side to make us think we won,, maybe a free clip on tie a year or something
personally i think balpa is a waste of time still, everyone keeps saying its not what balpa can do for you but what you can do for you as the pilots are balpa,,,, so why bother with the fee to talk, we can talk for free and get ignored.
my advice, fly here while you like it then go somewhere you think is better, if your happy to stay and can afford to with constant reductions then do so.
its funny to see that people will blame ryanair pilots for lowering terms all over the industry because we let management get away with it,,, well if in your other magic airlines with balpa in your sleeve are following ryanair tactics which i read around that they slowly are doing (Easy, BMI paying for line training ect) then balpa should be kicking there ass,,, but I dont see that,,, i just see ryanair leading the pack with there look out for number 1 attitude and the others slowly following,,, balpa is maybe just slowing the process a little but by no means stopping it
again, just my thoughts.
i really am bored of hearing about it now, does make me laugh though, if ryanair are not at all bothered about balpa why go out of there way to make some big pro's and con's list about it!
there must be something to it, but i do recon that initialy balpa recognition will mean lower terms and conditions as management would over react and go to town on balpa and the pilots just cos they can,, then if it starts to cost them money they will start to deal a little at a time to maybe get back to a level where we are now with a couple of crap frilly bits on the side to make us think we won,, maybe a free clip on tie a year or something
personally i think balpa is a waste of time still, everyone keeps saying its not what balpa can do for you but what you can do for you as the pilots are balpa,,,, so why bother with the fee to talk, we can talk for free and get ignored.
my advice, fly here while you like it then go somewhere you think is better, if your happy to stay and can afford to with constant reductions then do so.
its funny to see that people will blame ryanair pilots for lowering terms all over the industry because we let management get away with it,,, well if in your other magic airlines with balpa in your sleeve are following ryanair tactics which i read around that they slowly are doing (Easy, BMI paying for line training ect) then balpa should be kicking there ass,,, but I dont see that,,, i just see ryanair leading the pack with there look out for number 1 attitude and the others slowly following,,, balpa is maybe just slowing the process a little but by no means stopping it
again, just my thoughts.
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I was DC10 Captain with 3200 hrs in the Dead Cruicer, more than 5000 hrs total time.
Now 5000 - 3200 = 1800.
Do you mean that you got your command on the DC-10 with only 1800 hours in your logboo
Do you mean that you got your command on the DC-10 with only 1800 hours in your logboo
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What more can BALPA achieve for us ?
My allowance with Ryanair,even after 40 % tax, easily covers all my extra expenses ie. SIM, Parking, Uniform, ID, Hotels (max twice a year doing SIM). I was ones politely ASKED to take 5 days in Italy, hotel paid and extra allowences during the stay, a very good and fair deal.
I also get like 10 % extra for pension if i pay the same amount, which is almost as good as the one I had in a Scandinavian Airline some yers ago.
I have a 5/4 roster which is very good if I live near my base BUT also very good if I need to commute on a absolutely free basis within Ryanair network.
My netpay is, for the time being, at least what my ex-colleges gets around the world.
I don't have my favorite base yet, but do you think you get the base you want in other large airlines ? We are a very large airline with about 2000 pilots, not easy to manage concerning everyones wishes.
Ryanair just send out a note concerning the BALPA recognition, I can't see BALPA being able to change anything to the better, myself just joined a independent union instead, as I am quite happy with my job and don't see any better T & C anywhere.
Keep the blue up
I also get like 10 % extra for pension if i pay the same amount, which is almost as good as the one I had in a Scandinavian Airline some yers ago.
I have a 5/4 roster which is very good if I live near my base BUT also very good if I need to commute on a absolutely free basis within Ryanair network.
My netpay is, for the time being, at least what my ex-colleges gets around the world.
I don't have my favorite base yet, but do you think you get the base you want in other large airlines ? We are a very large airline with about 2000 pilots, not easy to manage concerning everyones wishes.
Ryanair just send out a note concerning the BALPA recognition, I can't see BALPA being able to change anything to the better, myself just joined a independent union instead, as I am quite happy with my job and don't see any better T & C anywhere.
Keep the blue up
Yes, my friends, those 3200 in the 10s were most of them in the right hand seat.
Anyway, 3200 hrs SIC in a three engines and heavy wide body must be enough to qualify for a B738 SIC position without having to pay for the ride.
For your information, in my previous company we had two FO upgraded to captains with only 1,500 hrs total time. Both were flying the 10s for 2 years before upgrade and they were very good captains.
They are flying A320 as Captains for LAN Peru at this moment.
Anyway, 3200 hrs SIC in a three engines and heavy wide body must be enough to qualify for a B738 SIC position without having to pay for the ride.
For your information, in my previous company we had two FO upgraded to captains with only 1,500 hrs total time. Both were flying the 10s for 2 years before upgrade and they were very good captains.
They are flying A320 as Captains for LAN Peru at this moment.
Doug the Head:
Yes, I am fully aware of where you are coming from. My question really is as to when he actually got his command on the DC-10. The earliest point is 1800hours and the latest point is 4999 hours.
My point is that folks are throwing their hands in the air when young Ryanair whippersnappers with only 3500 hours are getting their command on B737s.
This chap got his command on the Dead Cruicer with less than 5000 hours so why is he complaining about Ryanair?
I presume that he felt totally confident on his first outing in the DC-10?
Yes, I am fully aware of where you are coming from. My question really is as to when he actually got his command on the DC-10. The earliest point is 1800hours and the latest point is 4999 hours.
My point is that folks are throwing their hands in the air when young Ryanair whippersnappers with only 3500 hours are getting their command on B737s.
This chap got his command on the Dead Cruicer with less than 5000 hours so why is he complaining about Ryanair?
I presume that he felt totally confident on his first outing in the DC-10?
I am seeing a little frustration in the words of some people in this post.
You don't have to be "the right stuff" to be Captain in any airplane.
And believe me, those two guys with only 1,500 hrs total time were much better many of the old guys with 10,000 hrs.
Morever, one of them after flying two more years as a Captain was designeted as instructor pilot in our company and just before switching to LAN Peru, the Peruvian DGAC was authorizing him as Designee Examiner.
You are sounding like a "the mistery of flying".
You don't have to be "the right stuff" to be Captain in any airplane.
And believe me, those two guys with only 1,500 hrs total time were much better many of the old guys with 10,000 hrs.
Morever, one of them after flying two more years as a Captain was designeted as instructor pilot in our company and just before switching to LAN Peru, the Peruvian DGAC was authorizing him as Designee Examiner.
You are sounding like a "the mistery of flying".