What Did You Take Home This Month?
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Jet Aviation, KDAL based King Air 200 PIC. 13 months with company. $3000 USD per month gross...minus taxes and child support. Good insurance though, 401K, opportunity to fly Gulfstreams/Canadairs/Falcons, etc.
Recently turned down FO position on Westwind. Would rather log PIC turbine in the King Air...have 500+ hours SIC in Falcon 20 already.
NBAA median salary for USA King Air 200 PIC, pulling charter duty is $45000.00 USD per year plus benefits. Reported high, in excess of $60000.00 per year.
They say we're getting raised to NBAA standard in the near future. Better do it soon though because everybody is leaving...we're down to five pilots at KDAL, can't launch all the ships we have.
All in all, not really a bad job. Average ten days per month flying, about 40 hours per month (that will pick up now that we're so short-handed). Most trips out and back the same day. Company picks up 100% expenses.
Need another 600 hours PIC Turbine to apply at Southwest!
Recently turned down FO position on Westwind. Would rather log PIC turbine in the King Air...have 500+ hours SIC in Falcon 20 already.
NBAA median salary for USA King Air 200 PIC, pulling charter duty is $45000.00 USD per year plus benefits. Reported high, in excess of $60000.00 per year.
They say we're getting raised to NBAA standard in the near future. Better do it soon though because everybody is leaving...we're down to five pilots at KDAL, can't launch all the ships we have.
All in all, not really a bad job. Average ten days per month flying, about 40 hours per month (that will pick up now that we're so short-handed). Most trips out and back the same day. Company picks up 100% expenses.
Need another 600 hours PIC Turbine to apply at Southwest!
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727 pilot for small, scheduled US carrier.
Capt pay 12 yrs at the end of this yr is $118.10/hr with 65 hr month. Tops in 2004 at 132.85/hr
FO pay at 12 yrs is 80.45/hr tops at 87.91
FE pay at 12 yrs is 68.17. Tops at 73.41
New hire FE is 40.41 and FO is 45.69
ALPA on the property with contract.
The Company is small (7 planes, only 5 fly) and of the 25 crews, around 15 do most of the flying. Reserve will fly you around 30 hours per month if you are lucky.
No retirement, 401k, limited pass benefits or other perks.
Capt pay 12 yrs at the end of this yr is $118.10/hr with 65 hr month. Tops in 2004 at 132.85/hr
FO pay at 12 yrs is 80.45/hr tops at 87.91
FE pay at 12 yrs is 68.17. Tops at 73.41
New hire FE is 40.41 and FO is 45.69
ALPA on the property with contract.
The Company is small (7 planes, only 5 fly) and of the 25 crews, around 15 do most of the flying. Reserve will fly you around 30 hours per month if you are lucky.
No retirement, 401k, limited pass benefits or other perks.
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Capt B727, night cargo operations, EU
8 days on/6 days off.
Per month, after tax : £4000 + £432 house allowance + £110 airline tickets allowance.
average perdiem : £400
no pension, no benefit, no sickness coverage (if you are sick, you don't get paid), can be fired without notice for almost any reason (i.e. you get sick at outstation thus the aircraft is delay = fired. If you are sick and "in the opinion of AA" this is going to last, you get fired etc. Written in your contract), no rebate ticket (except 50% with Sabena).
Pay is OK, contract is SLAVERY.
Cheers
Airline appointments for 3 years.
Capt B727, night cargo operations, EU
8 days on/6 days off.
Per month, after tax : £4000 + £432 house allowance + £110 airline tickets allowance.
average perdiem : £400
no pension, no benefit, no sickness coverage (if you are sick, you don't get paid), can be fired without notice for almost any reason (i.e. you get sick at outstation thus the aircraft is delay = fired. If you are sick and "in the opinion of AA" this is going to last, you get fired etc. Written in your contract), no rebate ticket (except 50% with Sabena).
Pay is OK, contract is SLAVERY.
Cheers
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The major differences I see across this board are the direct results of what unionized pilots earn vs their counterparts. American unions such as ALPA and the FPA have worked hard over the years to negotiate enviable salaries, benefits, and work rules for their members.
Would it be safe to say that if ALPA was in Europe and Asia and the Middle East, the salaries of all pilots would be more equitable even though the cost of living may vary depending on what part of the world we live?
Anyway, I'm a 3rd year F/O at an American major and will be over 100K this year. 14-16 days a month. Great retirement, vacation, and benefits. No complaints.
Thank goodness I'm off of B-scale wages though. They set the industry back 20 years. The new B scale exists at the Regionals which is what the Majors want, seeing most of them are owned by a Major!
Doctor Bob
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Would it be safe to say that if ALPA was in Europe and Asia and the Middle East, the salaries of all pilots would be more equitable even though the cost of living may vary depending on what part of the world we live?
Anyway, I'm a 3rd year F/O at an American major and will be over 100K this year. 14-16 days a month. Great retirement, vacation, and benefits. No complaints.
Thank goodness I'm off of B-scale wages though. They set the industry back 20 years. The new B scale exists at the Regionals which is what the Majors want, seeing most of them are owned by a Major!
Doctor Bob
AirlineRumor.com...1200+ registered members
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KLM, Captain 737-300/400/800
10 years in service, gross income at current exchange rate 110'000 US $/year. After all deductions (the Dutch taxman is robbing you blind) you end up with about 50’000 US $.
I work a minimum of 17 days per month with a very inefficient schedule (60h per month)
We have a so-called preferential bid system that is completely useless.
Hotels are average, allowances next to nothing.
No jumpseat, no passes, ID-95 on highest fare (which makes non-revenue travel very expensive).
If you get sick, you receive 100% of your salary for the first year.
European unions (at least VNV) are in no way comparable to USALPA. For the last ten years they were busy with defending what they have instead of asking for more. On top of that they are very afraid of public opinion.
10 years in service, gross income at current exchange rate 110'000 US $/year. After all deductions (the Dutch taxman is robbing you blind) you end up with about 50’000 US $.
I work a minimum of 17 days per month with a very inefficient schedule (60h per month)
We have a so-called preferential bid system that is completely useless.
Hotels are average, allowances next to nothing.
No jumpseat, no passes, ID-95 on highest fare (which makes non-revenue travel very expensive).
If you get sick, you receive 100% of your salary for the first year.
European unions (at least VNV) are in no way comparable to USALPA. For the last ten years they were busy with defending what they have instead of asking for more. On top of that they are very afraid of public opinion.
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Dropsort/trimmerman at a small cedar mill in southern British Columbia, 11 hours a day, $13cdn/hour, four days a week, not including blood, sweat and tears.
After 3 months you get medical, and after six months, profit sharing...(600 bucks every quarter).....oh yeah, they supply the hard hat and gloves.
I know this came from nowhere, I registered to reply to this forum after reading some of the other posts. All I can say is wow.
I gave up a promising career as a T.V videographer to persue my dream. No not working at a lumber mill.... but to fly.
Now before you flame this post, I know...you can't eat dreams, dreams don't keep you warm at night and no, I don't want to work for free.
I am putting myself (with the help of a few banks, relatives, and friendly loan sharks) through flight school.
Currently I am just finishing my Commercial license and will be starting my Multi/IFR rating within a month. Total Time...148 hours.
I don't expect to get rich flying. All I am looking for is a lifestyle job. I love to fly. If someone wants to pay me $50 000 Cdn (about $35 000us) to fly eight months out of the year...sign me up.
But then I'm just starting out, don't know anything about unions, duty hours, seniority.
But I do know how it feels to get a 18 foot Cedar 1x6 slapped across the face, or how it feels to have a 24 foot 6x6 drop on your shoulder.
All for about $60 US a day.
Please this not an attack on you or your wages. I don't really know why I posted this....therapy maybe. It's hard to keep getting up at 3am and go to war with wood.
Take it easy fellas/ladies, and I hope to see you in the skies one day.
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After 3 months you get medical, and after six months, profit sharing...(600 bucks every quarter).....oh yeah, they supply the hard hat and gloves.
I know this came from nowhere, I registered to reply to this forum after reading some of the other posts. All I can say is wow.
I gave up a promising career as a T.V videographer to persue my dream. No not working at a lumber mill.... but to fly.
Now before you flame this post, I know...you can't eat dreams, dreams don't keep you warm at night and no, I don't want to work for free.
I am putting myself (with the help of a few banks, relatives, and friendly loan sharks) through flight school.
Currently I am just finishing my Commercial license and will be starting my Multi/IFR rating within a month. Total Time...148 hours.
I don't expect to get rich flying. All I am looking for is a lifestyle job. I love to fly. If someone wants to pay me $50 000 Cdn (about $35 000us) to fly eight months out of the year...sign me up.
But then I'm just starting out, don't know anything about unions, duty hours, seniority.
But I do know how it feels to get a 18 foot Cedar 1x6 slapped across the face, or how it feels to have a 24 foot 6x6 drop on your shoulder.
All for about $60 US a day.
Please this not an attack on you or your wages. I don't really know why I posted this....therapy maybe. It's hard to keep getting up at 3am and go to war with wood.
Take it easy fellas/ladies, and I hope to see you in the skies one day.
[email protected]
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FlyingCanuck, gulp, yeah, been there done that too (albeit not in a sawmill - but, you name it, and I've done it ! ) - and have also taken a pay-cut to fulfil my dream.
So, never give up (we know you won't) because flying is a truly great job - even if we sometimes lose sight of that fact (when we eventually get to do it for a living); yep, it'll challenge you, drive you, force you, endear you, envelope you, and a whole host of other things too.....
Of course in all things (especially all things fiscal) life isn't fair, i.e. there will always be folks on the ladder both above and below you, and if flying is all about money, then quit - because you'll never get rich working for an airline (well, very few do).
Some months ago I read an obituary in The Times w.r.t a certain Geoffrey Page (1920-2000) which, if paraphrased, read something like: "Flying a beautiful aeroplane for a living, combating one's wits and skill against the elements, was to live (or die) with every fibre of one's being... I met some wonderful people, saw some wonderful sights, generally had a superb time, and I would not want to change one moment of those wonderful years, " …………. So hands up who would trade-in a flying job, for something more lucrative in an office ? Uhm, not many !
Thus to have a dream, and to strive towards it, is possibly the most rewarding thing that one can do with our lives aboard this mortal coil. FlyingCanuck, I wish you much luck with your dream.
Ps. Never give up !
So, never give up (we know you won't) because flying is a truly great job - even if we sometimes lose sight of that fact (when we eventually get to do it for a living); yep, it'll challenge you, drive you, force you, endear you, envelope you, and a whole host of other things too.....
Of course in all things (especially all things fiscal) life isn't fair, i.e. there will always be folks on the ladder both above and below you, and if flying is all about money, then quit - because you'll never get rich working for an airline (well, very few do).
Some months ago I read an obituary in The Times w.r.t a certain Geoffrey Page (1920-2000) which, if paraphrased, read something like: "Flying a beautiful aeroplane for a living, combating one's wits and skill against the elements, was to live (or die) with every fibre of one's being... I met some wonderful people, saw some wonderful sights, generally had a superb time, and I would not want to change one moment of those wonderful years, " …………. So hands up who would trade-in a flying job, for something more lucrative in an office ? Uhm, not many !
Thus to have a dream, and to strive towards it, is possibly the most rewarding thing that one can do with our lives aboard this mortal coil. FlyingCanuck, I wish you much luck with your dream.
Ps. Never give up !
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KLM Cityhopper, Captain Fokker50,
5 company years, 3000hrs total,
46 hrs/month flying time avg, 5 on
2 off. 500-600 hrs anually.
After tax: 2700 euro
Before tax: 4250 euro
Multiply by 13.5 and you get more or less
my annual income.
[This message has been edited by L2000 (edited 29 January 2001).]
5 company years, 3000hrs total,
46 hrs/month flying time avg, 5 on
2 off. 500-600 hrs anually.
After tax: 2700 euro
Before tax: 4250 euro
Multiply by 13.5 and you get more or less
my annual income.
[This message has been edited by L2000 (edited 29 January 2001).]