BA pilots get staff travel downgrade
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BA pilots get staff travel downgrade
BA are bringing in a new staff travel regime and part of this is a maximum 2 id100 tickets, clearly this affects many pilots and will affect more in the future.
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Where's the news? I only get two ID100 tickets anyway. The people who lose out under the new deal are those who have worked for BA over 30 years, that includes many staff from all different branches of the company, not just pilots.
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I think you'll find out it was known about c.9 months ago, not just 3 weeks ago.
That is not to say I agree - as a result of these changes, if you retire from BA after 15/25 years, you will only get 15/25 years of concessions on your own and other airlines. Yet, employees from other airlines with maybe 5 years service will get lifetime entitlements with BA under their agreements.
I think you'll find out it was known about c.9 months ago, not just 3 weeks ago.
That is not to say I agree - as a result of these changes, if you retire from BA after 15/25 years, you will only get 15/25 years of concessions on your own and other airlines. Yet, employees from other airlines with maybe 5 years service will get lifetime entitlements with BA under their agreements.
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The winners under BA's new staff travel policy are:
The least skilled employees
Those who have only done 5 years in the company
Nominated friends of the above who have only known the employee for 6 months, 2 of these transient playthings per employee
Those groups of staff who have taken industrial action
Those groups of staff who think nothing of going sick to watch Wimbledon, be at home for Christmas etc.
The losers are the highly skilled and dedicated employees and senior managers, especially those who have retired after dedicating their entire working lives, over 30 years, to this trashy company.
The least skilled employees
Those who have only done 5 years in the company
Nominated friends of the above who have only known the employee for 6 months, 2 of these transient playthings per employee
Those groups of staff who have taken industrial action
Those groups of staff who think nothing of going sick to watch Wimbledon, be at home for Christmas etc.
The losers are the highly skilled and dedicated employees and senior managers, especially those who have retired after dedicating their entire working lives, over 30 years, to this trashy company.
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I must confess that I had not previously considered Topbunk's argument re staff of other airlines travelling with BA. It seems to me that the same restrictions should be applied to them or alternatively that ex- BA employees should be permitted to continue to fly with other airlines. A job for BALPA! We must face the fact that it is becoming cheaper to staff travel with AF/KLM for example because of the increasing UK taxes. In my case, I will be 89 when I lose my concession so I will consider myself lucky to be here.
However my understanding is that I now have 2 x 100% bookable concessions, whereas previously one was space available. Not mind you that bookable means much unless you want to go to Tehran on Christmas day.
PS I definitely preferred the top bunk.
However my understanding is that I now have 2 x 100% bookable concessions, whereas previously one was space available. Not mind you that bookable means much unless you want to go to Tehran on Christmas day.
PS I definitely preferred the top bunk.
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The details of Staff Travel 2009 were first published in November 2007, so its hardly 'news'.
I'm a junior-ish F/O. Under the old regieme, I had to wait until my seventh year for my second ID100, now I get it after five years. Also I see being able to change my nominees every 6 months as a big advantage.
Its not all bad for all pilots
I'm a junior-ish F/O. Under the old regieme, I had to wait until my seventh year for my second ID100, now I get it after five years. Also I see being able to change my nominees every 6 months as a big advantage.
Its not all bad for all pilots
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Oh Dear, Oh Dear. You are the same people that used to say what a wonderful company that you work for. Well I know that you cannot sing the same tune now!!!
CarnageMatey, what do you do as you seem to have a lot of time to surf the internet???
CarnageMatey, what do you do as you seem to have a lot of time to surf the internet???
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Why BA are only letting retired staff have the same amount of time elegible for staff travel affects a lot of people that took early retirement and helped the company and other staff below them gain seniority quicker.
When people joined as far as Im aware we were all told it was staff travel concessions for life and along comes Willie Walsh and changes the rules!!!!
Pensioners ( who have a lower priority than serving staff anyway) are the very people that use their staff travel as much as they can and often. Also buy the hotline tickets etc etc and of course its usually a standby situation on subload tickets.
Looking at the BA results in the paper in the last few weeks I would think that there should be some long and hard thinking about imposing this set of rules on pensioners. I would think that any money is better than none and as we all have to use the internet anyway we're hardly taking anyones time up - like when we had paper tickets.!!!!!!
Also as I joined another company after I left BA that give me staff travel I am in the position of being able to use BA through ZED fares, which is ridiculous. I cant have staff travel through the company that I worked for for virtually all my flying life but I can with one that I worked for a short time.
When people joined as far as Im aware we were all told it was staff travel concessions for life and along comes Willie Walsh and changes the rules!!!!
Pensioners ( who have a lower priority than serving staff anyway) are the very people that use their staff travel as much as they can and often. Also buy the hotline tickets etc etc and of course its usually a standby situation on subload tickets.
Looking at the BA results in the paper in the last few weeks I would think that there should be some long and hard thinking about imposing this set of rules on pensioners. I would think that any money is better than none and as we all have to use the internet anyway we're hardly taking anyones time up - like when we had paper tickets.!!!!!!
Also as I joined another company after I left BA that give me staff travel I am in the position of being able to use BA through ZED fares, which is ridiculous. I cant have staff travel through the company that I worked for for virtually all my flying life but I can with one that I worked for a short time.
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Sevenforeseven:
I don't make personal remarks as a rule, but what business of yours how individuals choose to spend their time?
Are you part of some new self-appointed PPRuNe police?
CarnageMatey, what do you do as you seem to have a lot of time to surf the internet???
Are you part of some new self-appointed PPRuNe police?
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I think heavy crews' post is motivated by the need for some concrete information on what pilots are getting out of the new staff travel regs. Specifically those that have done more than 30 years.
If it the same person with the same pseudonym ,He has been bleating on another forum that he heard from a friend who knows a pilot that pilots are keeping their 30 year ticket, but that CSDs are not.
Despite being told the truth by some better informed contributers he/she still believes that CSDs are being shafted under the new policy with regard to the 30 year ticket.
If it the same person with the same pseudonym ,He has been bleating on another forum that he heard from a friend who knows a pilot that pilots are keeping their 30 year ticket, but that CSDs are not.
Despite being told the truth by some better informed contributers he/she still believes that CSDs are being shafted under the new policy with regard to the 30 year ticket.
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I think csds should be shafted.
Thread creep but is it just me or do the basa types take all edicts and negotiations in a huffy , mincey, oo what a bitch, no way girlfriend ooo i told you so,kindaway.The recent drivel on crew rest comes to mind.
That being so there is no way the posters like 747 above will listen to facts if they are cc and have been reading bassa drivel.
Thread creep but is it just me or do the basa types take all edicts and negotiations in a huffy , mincey, oo what a bitch, no way girlfriend ooo i told you so,kindaway.The recent drivel on crew rest comes to mind.
That being so there is no way the posters like 747 above will listen to facts if they are cc and have been reading bassa drivel.
