With experience, is Ryanair really that bad?

[leeds 65]

lets get back on topic here,enough bull****ting

Benefits=good roster,new planes,pay is ok nothing amazing,good TRE lads and training,nice capts+cabin crew

Bad= brookfield - sorting out your own affairs is a pain,
no pay on standbys,
pay fluctuates hugely every month,
annual leave for brookfielders is awful - pretty much sept-march,summer no chance
1 month leave in a block is tough on money+boring in winter
10 days additional leave is given even if not wanted
in 1 calender year(jan-dec) it is possible to only work 10 months or less as months off can be given in 2 different roster years (april-march),for example feb 08(still 07 roster year) off and oct 08(08 roster year) off=tough on cash

its ok overall,the flying is nice

[the grim repa]

look relaxant737 - you are a bull****ter,you are the one who misled this thread from original topic with your fanciful mary poppins boool****e.you have been rumbled,suck it in and pass off.i have been fighting this fight against repressive management,their attack on my way of life and the respectful profession they would see in the gutter to save money,so that shareholders and the fat cats can profit while my future is divvied up.I DO SUPPORT BALPA AND I SUPPORT MY COLLEAGUES (even if the are self centred like you)to have a VOICE and a FUTURE free of oppression,threats,insinuated threat and intimidation.I Will be here well after you and the likes of hairy camel are gone.I may be a ****** and a **** stirrer,but i can look myself in the mirror every time and say i did the right thing.
"i Was dissappointed" you say.well whoopy do.it will all become apparent to you in time.you about to be a whole lot more dissappointed when mol done with your ass.
the word you were looking for was "substance",not "sustinence",clown!!!


leeds65 - do not forget the rest of the industry standard items we have had taken away from us,too many to list.the pension they robbed off us.the drive out of any and all pilots who would seek to have fair and equitable treatment.the lack of any greivance and disciplinary procedure.the total lack of respect and dignity for pilots.the court cases against captains who would refuse to go into discretion.
if "ok" is good enough for you,then it is fbloody far from good enough for me.about bloody time pilots stopped being such doormats and so bloody nice!!

[Bahee 96]

BALPA

The Balpa card at the moment is open. We are currently fighting with Brookfield about their proposed 650 hours a year mark. This will obviously effect the pilots, under this contract, wages.

The future is not Ryanair, stick together and fight!!!!!???

[leeds 65]

that is awful.Bahee 96 where did you get this information?

That effects wages and time to command too

[RED WINGS]

I find it amusing how many PM's I have received from people about reluctant 737, I shall take the advice given and ignore from now on other than to say I bet its an amussing day on the flight deck

All I can say is having never worked for Ryanair, this thread has confirmed to me its a last choice airline to work for, which is what everyone Ive ever met who used to work for them says.

Wonder if that "Oasis" will dry up as employee treatment gets worse?

I wish you all luck, and hope FR dont drag the industry further down the pan, Im sure they will charge you for that soon to

[south coast]

Is it actually true, or just a s story doing the rounds, that Ryanair are charging people to use the toilet?

[cptdivz]

south coast

it is not true.. Ryanair are thinking about doing it however if they were less people would buy expensive drinks on their flights thus it makes no sense in charging people to use the toilet!

[Whitstle_Blower]

Union Recognition IS coming!

LEEDS 65 and Reluctant 737-


I have a few things to comment on. I am guessing you are BRK. I can tell you right now that this year all BRK terms and conditions will be changing. Pay rates will be cut. Don't think that the "5 year contract" bit means anything. They will offer notice, say that the "Relucant 737 Pilot Ltd" is no longer required to work under contract with FR. You will be given notice, and then at the last hour, you will be offered a NEW contract that will start the day after you current one's notice ends, and that will have a reduction in pay in it. Mark my words. They have had FR pilots this year, and BRK are next.


Reluctant 737 - (Just for you)

"I guess the real question is, what can we do from the inside in a company that doesn't recognise trade unions?"

If you understand how a union is recognised within an organisation, you would know that if a union body, (BALPA), is found to have a large proportion of employees associated with it, (ie, BALPA subscribed members), it is AUTOMATICALLY given union status within that organisation. Therefore Join BALPA, and when it applies for Union recognition, it WILL get it.


[quote]"I do not support BALPA.
I was dissapointed."[/quote]

What exactly can you have to be disapointed with if you do not support them?

I seriously hope you reconsider for many reasons. If you are an FR employee, then you will help Ryanair Pilots get recognised as Union Members.

People seem to forget that BALPA can only help, if the pilots want to be helped!! Join them and you WILL get what you want! A Union that leagal MUST BE RECOGNISED BY RYANAIR. They have no choice.

If you are not FR, but BRK, then you will get leagal help and advice for when BRK finally shaft you. Plus don'f forget that BRK pilots will be used to beat the conditions down of the FR guys. This is exactly what happened in Dublin not so long ago.

"And for the record, I follow SOPs biblically when I'm at work - out of work, it's up to me to determine what's safe and what's not. "

I hope to god you never have an inncident, especially one that someone is killed. The AAIB will tear you to pieces. They will look at every single thing you have done. All sorts of posts on forums like this will be looked at as to what could have contributed. Putting posts on here saying you would go flying and not log the hours is really stupid. Leagal proceedings would follow. If you are found to have lied about hours, you will go to prison. Most likely on Manslaughter charges.

Aerobat -

Please don't get dispondent. If you are a member of BALPA, then hang in there, if not, I suggest you do as a lot of people have been particularly p*ssed off by the way the contract thing has been handled. BALPA are taking action, but it will need every possible FR pilot to support them.

[JW411]

Dear FONT='verdana'/'sans-serif',

You are quite wrong, the AAIB do not tear anyone apart.

[Whitstle_Blower]

What I mean by the AAIB "tearing you to pieces", is looking at exactly what you have been doing as flight crew. They will look at every aspect of your life to see if there were physical or mental issues that could have effective your flight. They will look at your rest and flying schedules. That is what i mean, not in the literal term that they will hold you accountable. They will simply look for every piece of information to find out what happened. If somewhere you have fallen fowl of the rules, then that is a leagal body that will take it further.

[leeds 65]

Ialpa Or Balpa

So which is better to join or does it matter?

[eagerbeaver1]

Join the trade union where you work, Ireland - Ialpa, UK - Balpa. However Balpa is larger, so I would suggest them.

[cameldung]

I see that little has changed since I last visited PPRuNe, quite some time ago. The Ryanair "flag carrier's" posting in this discussion are just as narrow of vision and as self-serving as before (and either completely lacking in wit and maturity - or just taking the piss and laughing all the way to their handlers).

Really there's not a lot to be said, other than to say that Ryanair pay and conditions continue to decline at a rate which may one day help to wake up the slowest of slow learners.

eagerbeaver1 what used to be said on REPAweb was that Ryanair pilots should join the Association (BALPA or IALPA) relevant to their contract of employment - so all on UK contracts to BALPA and those at all Bases outside of the U.K. to IALPA. BTW, what you say about size is all very well, but anyone I know who was helped by IALPA came away feeling that their success in fighting various cases with Ryanair came from knowing what they were about. I certainly think IALPA has been a lot more determined and a lot less innocent than BALPA.

[captplaystation]

Much evidence has been aired on Repa of IALPA supporting numerous court cases involving Ryanair employees.
I don't recall reading about one case where BALPA was in the dock on behalf of a member.
With this in mind, who do you prefer on your side ?
If you have a UK contract however, you are probably stuck with the BALPA option. At least you can console yourself that you are helping to contribute to the snail like march towards recognition.

[CamelhAir]

captplaystation
BALPA supported the PIK based pilot who sued FR and won £70k. What they did to said individual was no worse than normal HR SOP in ryanair. Hence there's money to be made were people interested.

[captplaystation]

Sorry, yep I had forgottem that one. Bottom line, as said by a previous poster, join the one in the country of your contract.

[leeds 65]

Thanks lads for the info

ill be joining one of the 2 within the week !!