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How come ?
Did you buy another type rating ??
This debate's been done to death, but I felt sorry for the poor little 2 stripers in their shiny new uniforms in the B** crewroom when i was there....
So desperate to achieve their 'dream'......so much cash to pay with.
Did you buy another type rating ??
This debate's been done to death, but I felt sorry for the poor little 2 stripers in their shiny new uniforms in the B** crewroom when i was there....
So desperate to achieve their 'dream'......so much cash to pay with.
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I felt sorry for the poor little 2 stripers in their shiny new uniforms in the B** crewroom when i was there....
So desperate to achieve their 'dream'......so much cash to pay with.
So desperate to achieve their 'dream'......so much cash to pay with.
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Well they've effectively managed to buy themselves a job with BA on the babybus following the merger - skipped the bmi selection process by paying for the job, and then totally bypassed The Rivers too!
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Really?!!!!! I would be surprised if you could find even one example of those two strip F/O's at the airline you half mention that fit exactly what you are trying to portray. Well done to them I say
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I think you could. Was there not a hasty recruitment drive at bmi towards the end of 2011 due to a number of crew resigning, ironically leaving to join BA (among others?) I'm not talking vast numbers however I seem to recall rumour of P2F guys being recalled. Caused a **** storm amongst the baby and regional guys who felt that the positions should have been offered internally within the group. This was of course prior to the EUs acceptance of IAG's proposal to purchase bmi. It was suggested that these P2Fers would side step themselves into BA under TUPE regulations once the deal was approved. I think there is some substance in it.
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This so called career will be all over once oil prices get above $300 per barrel. The only option left will be to work for nothing in the Middle east. Enjoy.
Give it ten to fifteen years. You will still have to pay your giant p2f loans back though. Hope all that expensive hobby was worth it.
Who would like to be starting out now?
Give it ten to fifteen years. You will still have to pay your giant p2f loans back though. Hope all that expensive hobby was worth it.
Who would like to be starting out now?
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It was my understanding that the 2011 joiners all came from other airlines with a 320 type rating and experience. There maybe the exception but I think the whole thing being pressed is stretching the truth. Once the take over was suspected they did look to recruit but this was cancelled due to objections from within the group of companies. It's all water under the bridge I guess. If oil does that I don't think any industry or any person would be immune. Sounds a little bit bitter though
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You sometimes speak sense on these boards, but on this occasion you really are way wide of the mark and have no idea what you are going on about.
The 2011 joiners where all previously type rated (most where ex Midland anyway after the redundancies and where just coming back from the dessert.....) apart from 3. Midland recruited and paid for their A320 rating, some of them had already got quite a few hours jet experience but where Boeing rated rather than Airbus.
The more recent recruitment drive was to bring up the F/O numbers because Midland was extremely short of them. Ironically enough, some had left to join BA in BA's recruitment drive. The very few who actually joined had all been through a full selection process and where already A320 rated. They came from a number of different airlines. The Regional and Baby guys did object to this so the recruitment was stopped. The only effect this had was to increase the number of hours that current F/O's where flying, so really, it just meant that they worked harder and got paid more money.
This whole business of Pay 2 Fly people walking into a job at T5 (and "bypassing" The Rivers
) simply isn't true.
Them's the facts, whether you like them or not.
(Don't let it ruin a good story though..... eh? )
You sometimes speak sense on these boards, but on this occasion you really are way wide of the mark and have no idea what you are going on about.
The 2011 joiners where all previously type rated (most where ex Midland anyway after the redundancies and where just coming back from the dessert.....) apart from 3. Midland recruited and paid for their A320 rating, some of them had already got quite a few hours jet experience but where Boeing rated rather than Airbus.
The more recent recruitment drive was to bring up the F/O numbers because Midland was extremely short of them. Ironically enough, some had left to join BA in BA's recruitment drive. The very few who actually joined had all been through a full selection process and where already A320 rated. They came from a number of different airlines. The Regional and Baby guys did object to this so the recruitment was stopped. The only effect this had was to increase the number of hours that current F/O's where flying, so really, it just meant that they worked harder and got paid more money.
This whole business of Pay 2 Fly people walking into a job at T5 (and "bypassing" The Rivers
) simply isn't true. Them's the facts, whether you like them or not.
(Don't let it ruin a good story though..... eh?
)
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Fair enough. Glad to be put right on this occasion and that the nasty rumour has been put to bed. Probably just revelling in a bit of cloak and dagger now that the holdpool has been all but effectively dumped by BA. C'est la vie.
All the best
Fair enough. Glad to be put right on this occasion and that the nasty rumour has been put to bed. Probably just revelling in a bit of cloak and dagger now that the holdpool has been all but effectively dumped by BA. C'est la vie.
All the best
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Everyone in the situation of the BA/bmi merger is disappointed about the hold pool and what has happened. We are all on the same side as pilots no matter who you work for, and to go through a recruitment process, pass, then be told there is no job at the end of it is a horrible thing, I have been there and had it happen to me. I really do feel for anyone in that situation.
It wont always be like this though, IAG did not buy bmi and merge it in to BA if they didn't have a game plan for long haul expansion.
All the best, and I'm sure we can chat about it all over a beer (or 2,3,4.....) down route in a few years!
Everyone in the situation of the BA/bmi merger is disappointed about the hold pool and what has happened. We are all on the same side as pilots no matter who you work for, and to go through a recruitment process, pass, then be told there is no job at the end of it is a horrible thing, I have been there and had it happen to me. I really do feel for anyone in that situation.
It wont always be like this though, IAG did not buy bmi and merge it in to BA if they didn't have a game plan for long haul expansion.
All the best, and I'm sure we can chat about it all over a beer (or 2,3,4.....) down route in a few years!
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Thank you 1013.25. I agree 100% that everyone within the flight ops side of BA were in support of retaining the pool, including the recruiters. I hold no grudge against the bmi guys and accept and support a law like TUPE. I am glad that people kept their jobs as more unemployed pilots on the market simply allows people like MOL and those behind Flexicrew to cheapen T&Cs further. I'm a big boy and have started to move on from the disappointment. Life's to short.
Take it easy
Take it easy
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1013.25 
At last someone else who knows what actually happened. I was starting to get into the story as well. Especially the two people who are personally known by press2test (1st post?)
As has been said the hold pool thing is frustrating and I in that position would feel deflated to say the least, but it really is not the fault of 4, 3 or 2 stripers from bmi.
Lets all just trust the expansion which is proposed to come from the take over leads to jobs for all the hold poolers and baby guys!
At last someone else who knows what actually happened. I was starting to get into the story as well. Especially the two people who are personally known by press2test (1st post?) As has been said the hold pool thing is frustrating and I in that position would feel deflated to say the least, but it really is not the fault of 4, 3 or 2 stripers from bmi.
Lets all just trust the expansion which is proposed to come from the take over leads to jobs for all the hold poolers and baby guys!
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Bex88 - That may have been my first post but I have been around for some time.
1013.25mb - "This whole business of Pay 2 Fly people walking into a job at T5 (and "bypassing" The Rivers ) simply isn't true."
Are you sure about that!
1013.25mb - "This whole business of Pay 2 Fly people walking into a job at T5 (and "bypassing" The Rivers ) simply isn't true."
Are you sure about that!
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I shall make the assumption that is a question rather than a statement.
Yes, very sure.
Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Are you sure about that!
Yes, very sure.
Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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On heavens no, they did not go to the rivers. Big deal, all the bmi pilots including the mythical unworthy Pay 2 fly guys had to get through a 18 day conversion course to enable them to fly BA metal. I understand there are some frustrated and angry guys out there but pointing the finger is not going to do anything. What is a pay 2 fly pilot? A captain of 13 years who initially self funded a 737 rating and then gained employment through the same company? Again good luck to them if it is true......but I am very sure its not.
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Lets all just trust the expansion which is proposed to come from the take over leads to jobs for all the hold poolers and baby guys!
