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What do you think ?
When I asked about this..I was told...'never mind, it works, I hope'.
This was just before the airline was grounded in the UK, for ten days.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Proxus and reality check
Why Proxus old chap.A bit incensed are we not? I see from your profile that you are a student and perhaps not quite familiar with the intricate system that could be described as segregation by contract and nationality with AAI.
Air Atlanta has for years among with other Icelandic companies resorted to what one can only describe as racist and discriminatory employment practices with the assistance and full acceptance of FIA/FFF. Many of our esteemed colleagues from the rock had the indecency to flaunt and rub their superiority and untouchability in our faces with great satisfaction and regularity. Not all of the Icelanders where at this though but those few malicious ones where louder and more aggressive painting the rest with the same brush of guilt. Ie: Guilt by association.
You might find that due to these practices add the economic disaster Icelanders are unfortunately starting to have a reputation around that is not enviable.
I recommend you read through all the AAI thread on the forum and talk to some of the contractors before you throw on us your righteous indignation about a matter that you clearly know nothing about.
Hope this gives some background and eases your distress.
Air Atlanta has for years among with other Icelandic companies resorted to what one can only describe as racist and discriminatory employment practices with the assistance and full acceptance of FIA/FFF. Many of our esteemed colleagues from the rock had the indecency to flaunt and rub their superiority and untouchability in our faces with great satisfaction and regularity. Not all of the Icelanders where at this though but those few malicious ones where louder and more aggressive painting the rest with the same brush of guilt. Ie: Guilt by association.
You might find that due to these practices add the economic disaster Icelanders are unfortunately starting to have a reputation around that is not enviable.
I recommend you read through all the AAI thread on the forum and talk to some of the contractors before you throw on us your righteous indignation about a matter that you clearly know nothing about.
Hope this gives some background and eases your distress.
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This was just before the airline was grounded in the UK, for ten days.
proxus - Cod head no different to being called a Pom, Yank, Yarpee or Convict (Aussie). Lighten up and look at it as a term of endearment!
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Well said, well put, the nail on the head and all that. Whish I had you way with words. Wonder what EU has to say about all this Iceland/Crawley/Guernsy mess.
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Yes 411A, due to bull**** fed to the CAA by a couple of lying whistleblowers
What goes around, comes around.
Sadly, Whiskery has totally duff gen...no surprise there.
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Why Proxus old chap.A bit incensed are we not? I see from your profile that you are a student and perhaps not quite familiar with the intricate system that could be described as segregation by contract and nationality with AAI.
You're absolutely right, I do not know the claimed intricate threads of national segregation woven into this company and my point was not directed at it.
No matter what, in a civilized discussion "Ice Nigger" would not be used.
But if I'd use my layman eyes, I can try to make a comment about this company. As far as I can see, it an Icelandic founded company were mostly the Icelandic pilots work on a union contract. To meet extra demand the company hires in contracted pilots who are, by my understanding, on a lesser T&C than the pilots with the union contract which is in my eyes pretty normal. Almost all the time, it has been better to have a backing of a union than to be on your own, right?
So the time goes by and after some years the contracted pilots get pissed off because the union pilots are rubbing their contract into the faces of the contracts ?
So what, because of some few stupid union pilots, do I deserve to called derogatory names on a public website?
And as far as discriminatory company goes, how about one Icelandic airline who does not hire Icelandic pilots, Jetx! They have openly stated that they will not hire Icelandic pilots (they're afraid that we want to join a union if there's to many of us in one place).
So my point is, even though you have had some run-ins with a few, don't transfer that to us all.
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Well we should know soon as my court case against AAI/Airborne is scheduled for Sept 28th in the UK.....One of the main points will be the relationship between Iceland/AAI/Airborne and their place in the EU.
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Iceland has an interesting website: asi - www.asi.is regarding its labour market.
Parts of the site are also available in english: asi - Labour market
Document "Rights and employment terms of foreign workers on the Icelandic labor market" (page 2) :
So if an Icelandic company is giving contracts with worse conditions than their own collective agreements, these contracts are null and void?
What happenes to these contracts?
Parts of the site are also available in english: asi - Labour market
Document "Rights and employment terms of foreign workers on the Icelandic labor market" (page 2) :
Wage terms of foreign employees and control of them
According to Icelandic law, wages and other terms of employment as negotiated by
the social partners shall be minimum wages irrespective of gender, nationality or
employment period for all employees in the relevant field of work in the area covered by
the agreement. This also applies to all employees of employers who are outside of the
organizations of employers or have not themselves entered into collective agreements
with trade unions. The agreements of individual employees and employers on worse
terms of employment than stated in the collective agreements are invalid and not
binding for the employee.
According to Icelandic law, wages and other terms of employment as negotiated by
the social partners shall be minimum wages irrespective of gender, nationality or
employment period for all employees in the relevant field of work in the area covered by
the agreement. This also applies to all employees of employers who are outside of the
organizations of employers or have not themselves entered into collective agreements
with trade unions. The agreements of individual employees and employers on worse
terms of employment than stated in the collective agreements are invalid and not
binding for the employee.
What happenes to these contracts?
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I flew for Air Atlanta a few years back, and I was actually not unhappy about the company.
About the discrimination issue mentioned earlier, I believe that the FIA contract pays it's pilots in Icelandic kroners. Since the Icelandic curreny is only worth about 20% of it's value 2 years ago, the FIA contract is not attractive right now.
Can anybody confirm this?
Brgds
SE210
About the discrimination issue mentioned earlier, I believe that the FIA contract pays it's pilots in Icelandic kroners. Since the Icelandic curreny is only worth about 20% of it's value 2 years ago, the FIA contract is not attractive right now.
Can anybody confirm this?
Brgds
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"And as far as discriminatory company goes, how about one Icelandic airline who does not hire Icelandic pilots, Jetx! They have openly stated that they will not hire Icelandic pilots (they're afraid that we want to join a union if there's to many of us in one place)."
Actually proxus I do believe that they have Icelandic pilots, at least on a flight with them last month from Malaga to Iceland there was a Icelandic pilot flying.
Actually proxus I do believe that they have Icelandic pilots, at least on a flight with them last month from Malaga to Iceland there was a Icelandic pilot flying.
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Why is the icelandair pilot union is not doing anything about non JAR pilots with validations flying JAR aircraft when icelandair pilots sit at home with no money?
santa barbara airline use smartlynx Jar aircraft but use canadain and american pilot. they have no jar and on validations??!!
on my last flight the canadian fleet cheif was laughing he didn't have jar license? why is this so. why people not complain?
santa barbara airline use smartlynx Jar aircraft but use canadain and american pilot. they have no jar and on validations??!!
on my last flight the canadian fleet cheif was laughing he didn't have jar license? why is this so. why people not complain?
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Latcharter come Smartlynx is a starnge operation. What I've been told by people who worked there that operation is about as messy as any third world country could provide.
I am quoting some of the people here that have worked for this operation as well as my own experiences with the now unnamed people as the forum rules require.
A few years back there was what I have been described as the unholy triangle.
Fleet chief of the 767 suffers a napoleon complex being of relatively short in the height deparment. He is a good example of one that uses his skin tone as an excuse for incompetence. I can attest to this after meeting him several times in LGW while his tenure with Excel/Air Atlanta on the 767 and will stand by my words in court if required. Apparently every pilot disagreeing with him is either racially moivated of after his job. He will promote people based on their ability to kiss his hindquarters rather than their ablity.
Manager of crew resources of Smart Lynx I unfortunately know personally. It was said that while in Jakarta office during a hajj pilots rather talked to the plant in the office than to him. Other than that in Lagos during the Nigerian airways deal with AAI he would be busy fighting his fellow workers over local prostitutes attention
The unnamed crew contract manager from Ireland. Same gentleman who was in charge of Air Atlanta contracts at one point. Enough is said of him on this forum so no need to elaborate or is there? However he is no longer in charge.
Between the three they made the operation into a bananashow.
I understand AAI policy for contracting people or rather letting them go. If on a downturn they will empty their S.hitlist and then reduce by nationality Icelanders being the last
What I cannot understand is Smartlynx firing all European pilots from 767 with one exception and keeping only Americans and Canadians. I know why they do it, the chief only keeps his buttbuddies in the company and lets anyone with a percieved or real problem with his personality go.
l It does NOT sink into me why are non EU nationals allowed to work for a EU company WITHOUT work permits. Why where what was then Latcharter employees allowed to live and work in UK without a UK work permit like the so called chief pilot 767 and why governments do not do anything anything about the matter while hundreds of European pilots are unemployed.
I am quoting some of the people here that have worked for this operation as well as my own experiences with the now unnamed people as the forum rules require.
A few years back there was what I have been described as the unholy triangle.
Fleet chief of the 767 suffers a napoleon complex being of relatively short in the height deparment. He is a good example of one that uses his skin tone as an excuse for incompetence. I can attest to this after meeting him several times in LGW while his tenure with Excel/Air Atlanta on the 767 and will stand by my words in court if required. Apparently every pilot disagreeing with him is either racially moivated of after his job. He will promote people based on their ability to kiss his hindquarters rather than their ablity.
Manager of crew resources of Smart Lynx I unfortunately know personally. It was said that while in Jakarta office during a hajj pilots rather talked to the plant in the office than to him. Other than that in Lagos during the Nigerian airways deal with AAI he would be busy fighting his fellow workers over local prostitutes attention
The unnamed crew contract manager from Ireland. Same gentleman who was in charge of Air Atlanta contracts at one point. Enough is said of him on this forum so no need to elaborate or is there? However he is no longer in charge.
Between the three they made the operation into a bananashow.
I understand AAI policy for contracting people or rather letting them go. If on a downturn they will empty their S.hitlist and then reduce by nationality Icelanders being the last
What I cannot understand is Smartlynx firing all European pilots from 767 with one exception and keeping only Americans and Canadians. I know why they do it, the chief only keeps his buttbuddies in the company and lets anyone with a percieved or real problem with his personality go.
l It does NOT sink into me why are non EU nationals allowed to work for a EU company WITHOUT work permits. Why where what was then Latcharter employees allowed to live and work in UK without a UK work permit like the so called chief pilot 767 and why governments do not do anything anything about the matter while hundreds of European pilots are unemployed.
