Forced unpaid leave at ryanair
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adolf, all the employees, half wits, morons and even imbeciles, know full well that they are being shafted. There is just very little that they can do about it.
Are you a full wit? I thought so.
Are you a full wit? I thought so.
As a 737 Captain in Germany, non Ryanair, I have to say that the money looks fair. Certainly not the best, but far from the worst. What I don't quite understand is BALLSOUT's statement that most contractors get paid for 1000 hours. Surely under eu-ops we are all limited to 900 hours? Are there some additional things you get paid for?
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Have to disagree with you, Rubik. Not all the employees think they are being shafted - I fly with many who are happy to accept their treatment by the company (and only become exercised when their own circumstances are altered).
Your assertion that all pilots are aware of the problem but are totally powerless to do manything about it - THAT attitude is the real problem. There have been many opportunities for pilots to support various initiatives. However, when about 20 out of a possible 500 turn up to a BALPA meeting one might draw the conclusion that either 480 pilots are all flying, happy with their lot or just can't be bothered.
Sorry if I've offended you by being less than complimentary about our mutual colleagues. Individually, there are some very nice guys in the company - but that's the problem. We all act as individuals and have failed to grasp the opportunity to act cohesively. Acting in your own interests is fine right up until your own interests are jeopardised and you have no collective power to act.
So to all our brethren who are currently happy because they are at the right base/tax-dodging/getting a command/getting a job, enjoy your moment of contentment. Your apathy has failed to provide you with the means to respond to Ryanair's latest cost-cutting wheeze.
Your assertion that all pilots are aware of the problem but are totally powerless to do manything about it - THAT attitude is the real problem. There have been many opportunities for pilots to support various initiatives. However, when about 20 out of a possible 500 turn up to a BALPA meeting one might draw the conclusion that either 480 pilots are all flying, happy with their lot or just can't be bothered.
Sorry if I've offended you by being less than complimentary about our mutual colleagues. Individually, there are some very nice guys in the company - but that's the problem. We all act as individuals and have failed to grasp the opportunity to act cohesively. Acting in your own interests is fine right up until your own interests are jeopardised and you have no collective power to act.
So to all our brethren who are currently happy because they are at the right base/tax-dodging/getting a command/getting a job, enjoy your moment of contentment. Your apathy has failed to provide you with the means to respond to Ryanair's latest cost-cutting wheeze.
Thanks for the clarification aerobat. We get paid in a similar way, only our block times are not as generous. It also only applies to flight pay.
Well I can see why Ryanair are not going to have trouble recruiting contractors if they need them!
By the way I am not knocking the benefits of a union. Obviously if your terms and conditions are being eroded you need to stand up for yourselves. But your current situation is a lot better than some!
Well I can see why Ryanair are not going to have trouble recruiting contractors if they need them!
By the way I am not knocking the benefits of a union. Obviously if your terms and conditions are being eroded you need to stand up for yourselves. But your current situation is a lot better than some!
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As every other airlines, Ryanair is doing their best to save as much work for as many as possible and don´t you think that it is only about 5 days pr. employees at a time, at least that would be fair, I guess everybody can afford 5 days forced leave and it would be fair to share that leave between as many as possible. Ryanair is still concidered as one of the safest job wice in Europe for the time being. 
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I wish to clarify that Ryanair constantly monitors Actual Block times versus Scheduled Block times and it is now very seldom that the combined out and back Actual Block time is more than a few minutes less than the Scheduled. This is often accomplished by lopping 5-10 mins off the Block time so that we find ourselves with 35 minute turnarounds instead of the much vaunted 25 min. turnarounds that Ryanair publicises.
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All newbies are contractors now. We did not get the option / choice at sign up. Personally I dont mind, as I was SE previously and value the benefits of now being a ltd co again.
So its no longer 'them and us' as some have narrow mindedly quoted on this thread
, but just 'me and you' brother 
Dont know why your all slating RYR for a "possible" request for 'unpaid leave' when if you have a look EZY are actually asking their pilots for that NOW! Funny how no-one every slates them.
or the companies who dont take this option and run their airlines into the ground and thus forcing the whole workforce back onto the streets 
So its no longer 'them and us' as some have narrow mindedly quoted on this thread
, but just 'me and you' brother Dont know why your all slating RYR for a "possible" request for 'unpaid leave' when if you have a look EZY are actually asking their pilots for that NOW! Funny how no-one every slates them.
or the companies who dont take this option and run their airlines into the ground and thus forcing the whole workforce back onto the streets
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Jasondr, Pikey's airline is being slated for FORCED unpaid leave. Not for offering unpaid leave. There is no forced unpaid leave in orange land and actually no more unpaid leave available for the winter now.
As a pilot with 50 years experience in professional aviation (now retired) I try to keep a balanced view about life in aviation.
I notice that there are reports on an another forum (not a million miles from here) that BA have stopped recruiting and are likely to start asking for volunteers to take unpaid leave.
Can we expect that there will now be 50 pages on pprune villifying BA and BALPA if these rumours are found to be true?
Another interpretation could be that BA are just starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
I notice that there are reports on an another forum (not a million miles from here) that BA have stopped recruiting and are likely to start asking for volunteers to take unpaid leave.
Can we expect that there will now be 50 pages on pprune villifying BA and BALPA if these rumours are found to be true?
Another interpretation could be that BA are just starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
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I see your point. However, you could be accused of jumping the gun a little.
That sort of detail may or may not have been in the memo asking for unpaid leave applications at EZY (we wont know because no-ones copied it onto PPrune
), but if it wasn't I bet it was discussed and would be an option with management (and also will have been done at BA, if they are offering the same). Management will allways have a backup if no-one volunteers themselves, otherwise it will be another airline up the swany! (sic)
If I looked at it from the other side of the fence, you could say that at least they have been upfront an warned personel of the potential situation if nothing is done about it. Not saying its a great position to be in, and it certainly wont be if people are suddenly lotteried up to take the leave when they really need the cash. But there is the old saying it is 'better to be forwarned and forarmed.............'
That sort of detail may or may not have been in the memo asking for unpaid leave applications at EZY (we wont know because no-ones copied it onto PPrune
), but if it wasn't I bet it was discussed and would be an option with management (and also will have been done at BA, if they are offering the same). Management will allways have a backup if no-one volunteers themselves, otherwise it will be another airline up the swany! (sic)If I looked at it from the other side of the fence, you could say that at least they have been upfront an warned personel of the potential situation if nothing is done about it. Not saying its a great position to be in, and it certainly wont be if people are suddenly lotteried up to take the leave when they really need the cash. But there is the old saying it is 'better to be forwarned and forarmed.............'
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RYR have offered unpaid leave. The original statement came out at least 6 weeks ago. The latest memo stated that they are still looking for volunteers to take unpaid leave, if none are found then it will be forced.
It really is none of my business, but as a retired airline pilot of some 50 years standing I have to say that I was at one time a member of BALPA, the TGWU and the very famous International Brotherhood of the Teamsters.
None of them did me any good when times were hard (they had bigger agendas).
The most useless of the bunch was BALPA.
The trouble with the likes of grimmy is that they have not been around aviation long enough to have an opinion.
None of them did me any good when times were hard (they had bigger agendas).
The most useless of the bunch was BALPA.
The trouble with the likes of grimmy is that they have not been around aviation long enough to have an opinion.
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Grim seems to read only his own posts; his responses never, but never, addrerss any of the points made by anyone else.
The reality of the situation seems to pass him by and all he can do is tell us what Ryanair pilots should do.
Well, excuse me; if you are so wound up about it, put your name up as the base rep for BALPA and get on with the bloody job of getting them all to vote for a union.
Then watch as the base is closed and you are out of a job.
Ah, stupid of me, I see now; why would you ever want to vote yourself out of a job eh?
Shut up and do something useful, please.
The reality of the situation seems to pass him by and all he can do is tell us what Ryanair pilots should do.
Well, excuse me; if you are so wound up about it, put your name up as the base rep for BALPA and get on with the bloody job of getting them all to vote for a union.
Then watch as the base is closed and you are out of a job.
Ah, stupid of me, I see now; why would you ever want to vote yourself out of a job eh?
Shut up and do something useful, please.
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Maybe Grim & Leo are the same ( severely schizophrenic) poster.
Christ, that would make a great comedy sketch in the STN crewroom at 5 in the morning, the two halfs cursing and blinding at each other.
Then again, we all recognise Grim on REPA, but the hairy one has never ( to my knowledge) ventured there, perhaps we will have to rethink that. Not the " royal we" you understand, we are not schizo yet AAARGH. . . .
Christ, that would make a great comedy sketch in the STN crewroom at 5 in the morning, the two halfs cursing and blinding at each other.
Then again, we all recognise Grim on REPA, but the hairy one has never ( to my knowledge) ventured there, perhaps we will have to rethink that. Not the " royal we" you understand, we are not schizo yet AAARGH. . . .
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oh my little angels!focus on anyone and anything but address the real issues and drag yourselves out of the ****.is it possible that you 3 staunch gentlefolk have been duped.the beaten and defeated.sad,very sad!!!!
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Its reality
As Finance Director of a company in a totally different industry... You guys are all bright enough to do equations. But you're lucky, you don't have to do them. It's that Dickens thing - income is 20 shillings and sixpence = happiness, otherwise not. And for the FD, or management, they have to make some ruthless decisions. Which simply put translate into forced unpaid leave or redundancies.
It's not a failed business model, as some have said. Its the combination of high fuel prices, a knackered world economy, banks that suddenly find it difficult to lend, and shareholders who would rather not stump up more money.
It restricts the choices a tad!
It's not a failed business model, as some have said. Its the combination of high fuel prices, a knackered world economy, banks that suddenly find it difficult to lend, and shareholders who would rather not stump up more money.
It restricts the choices a tad!