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And the winner is......CTC CADETS
From pmail ezy:"
Recruitment holding pools
Given that we are not planning any permanent recruitment for our Summer 2009 flying programme we
have taken the opportunity to review our procedures with regards to the recruitment holding pools. We
have with immediate effect enacted the following changes:
• Each pilot application in the recruitment holding pool has been reviewed and their status
confirmed. To remain in the recruitment holding pool pilots have been reminded that all details
must be up to date and that it is their responsibility to do so.
• All pilot details will be held on our database for a period of 24 months after the assessment date,
thereafter, their details will be deleted from the system.
• Whilst the validity period to remain in the holding pool has been restricted to a rolling 24 month
period a pilot may, once removed re apply for consideration again.
Please be aware that we are not currently recruitment for pilots into the hold pool and as such all pilot
recruitment activity has ceased.
AND THE TOP OF THE PMAIL:"
First Officer requirements for Summer 2009
Summary:
Whilst there is currently no permanent external recruitment of pilots planned to meet our 2009
requirements we are still seeking low cost ways of ensuring we have sufficient pilots to meet our summer
peak. Our objective is to minimise cost by aligning future base pilot establishment to winter numbers.
Therefore the additional pilots that are required for this Summer (FO’s) will enter through a modified CTC
cadet scheme or through other approved suppliers on a flexible contract basis.
Timescale:
We have accepted the first 22 cadets for the Summer programme on a Flexi-Crew contract scheme. They
will not be employees of easyJet. We are still finalising the other requirements with our suppliers.
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Recruitment holding pools
Given that we are not planning any permanent recruitment for our Summer 2009 flying programme we
have taken the opportunity to review our procedures with regards to the recruitment holding pools. We
have with immediate effect enacted the following changes:
• Each pilot application in the recruitment holding pool has been reviewed and their status
confirmed. To remain in the recruitment holding pool pilots have been reminded that all details
must be up to date and that it is their responsibility to do so.
• All pilot details will be held on our database for a period of 24 months after the assessment date,
thereafter, their details will be deleted from the system.
• Whilst the validity period to remain in the holding pool has been restricted to a rolling 24 month
period a pilot may, once removed re apply for consideration again.
Please be aware that we are not currently recruitment for pilots into the hold pool and as such all pilot
recruitment activity has ceased.
AND THE TOP OF THE PMAIL:"
First Officer requirements for Summer 2009
Summary:
Whilst there is currently no permanent external recruitment of pilots planned to meet our 2009
requirements we are still seeking low cost ways of ensuring we have sufficient pilots to meet our summer
peak. Our objective is to minimise cost by aligning future base pilot establishment to winter numbers.
Therefore the additional pilots that are required for this Summer (FO’s) will enter through a modified CTC
cadet scheme or through other approved suppliers on a flexible contract basis.
Timescale:
We have accepted the first 22 cadets for the Summer programme on a Flexi-Crew contract scheme. They
will not be employees of easyJet. We are still finalising the other requirements with our suppliers.
LIKE THE OTHERS AIRLINES BUT IN MORE RUDE
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I told you !! I told you, guys !!!!
Low cost are the worst place to be.
2009 will reduce ryanair and easyjet's fleet by half.
As I said before: GET OUT OF THAT **** !
Guillaume (AF)
Low cost are the worst place to be.
2009 will reduce ryanair and easyjet's fleet by half.
As I said before: GET OUT OF THAT **** !
Guillaume (AF)
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Too bad there were not more own ezy FOs with a CPI date earlier than nov 2007- now they all have to wait another year for their upgrade 
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Forgive me if you were being sarcastic but I can assure that CTC cadets don't feel like they have won anything.
A320TR - YES, 400-500hrs on type - YES, unemployment after 6 months with no means of paying back 70-80k of debt - YES
Nobody wins
Forgive me if you were being sarcastic but I can assure that CTC cadets don't feel like they have won anything.
A320TR - YES, 400-500hrs on type - YES, unemployment after 6 months with no means of paying back 70-80k of debt - YES
Nobody wins
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unemployment after 6 months with no means of paying back 70-80k of debt - YES
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Bit of an update for those interested...
I have heard from a very reliable source that easyJet will be taking on a number of their former ATP Scheme pilots over the Summer on temporary contracts. As many of will be aware, EasyJet disposed of 22 'unwanted' CTC cadets at the end of last Summer - a number of those now have employment elsewhere. All those that do not have jobs, and who came up to scratch, will be offered temporary summer contracts. In addition to those, there are around 70 CTC cadets finishing training who will also be given 6 months with us and then dumped unceremoniously in September.
The more interesting bit concerns a number of pilots, who were trained under the pay-to-fly ATP Scheme last year. Apparently under an organisation called 'Sigma', they are being re-employed as salary-earning pilots for Summer 2009. That is most definitely not what was envisioned last year when this scheme came into being. We were assured that no jobs would be given to the likes of Flying Clara - it would appear 'she' knew more than we thought! Interesting times indeed.
I have heard from a very reliable source that easyJet will be taking on a number of their former ATP Scheme pilots over the Summer on temporary contracts. As many of will be aware, EasyJet disposed of 22 'unwanted' CTC cadets at the end of last Summer - a number of those now have employment elsewhere. All those that do not have jobs, and who came up to scratch, will be offered temporary summer contracts. In addition to those, there are around 70 CTC cadets finishing training who will also be given 6 months with us and then dumped unceremoniously in September.
The more interesting bit concerns a number of pilots, who were trained under the pay-to-fly ATP Scheme last year. Apparently under an organisation called 'Sigma', they are being re-employed as salary-earning pilots for Summer 2009. That is most definitely not what was envisioned last year when this scheme came into being. We were assured that no jobs would be given to the likes of Flying Clara - it would appear 'she' knew more than we thought! Interesting times indeed.
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blablabla....in fact easyjet or ryanair look to be the same .......and for us in the holdingpool it s a nightmare
thank s a lot easyjet board... poor communication no respectand more and more.........
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thank s a lot easyjet board... poor communication no respectand more and more.........
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Hold Pool
Received the email from Ezy to say that my details will held for 24 months from the time of assessment and there will be no external F/O's taken on in 2009 from the Hold Pool.
Reading between the lines I think we are watching the whole pilot recruitment process changing in front of our eyes. So much for all of us with Jet time and a bit of life experience! It all comes down to money and not the best person for the job! It's all about the bare minimum in terms of experience and criteria; and as long as those basics are met, why pay for an experienced guy, who would want a permanent contract and a half decent salary?
The attitude is take or leave it! If you've got a mortgage, wife and children, forget it! What the airlines want is guys paying for their own line training, type rating, etc and being paid peanuts, whilst living in a bedsit, or sleeping in their cars in the staff car park, as they don't have the money to have a decent standard of living. Most of them will be single, with little or no commitments, and that is perfect for the airlines.
Will BALPA step in and try to negotiate some kind of middle ground between experienced pilots and CTC/Cadet/ATP scheme type people is anyones guess. I think BALPA are powerless, if the airlines are working within the EU employment guidelines, and therefore they could employ whoever and do whatever they want.
I have been flying for an airline for only a few years, but already, all I have seen, are negatives. This global recession, is perfect ammunition for the airlines, to say that all these cut backs are necessary, and if the T's & C's are not eroded even further, that will be it and we will all be out of a job etc etc. The same with the oil prices in July 2008 etc. The airlines have seen a fantastic decade of economic growth since 1998 and apart from 9/11 which really only affected the medium/long haul carriers for a while, we have all seen as a casual observer, how much air travel has boomed. I don't seem remember all the T's & C's reflecting all the good times that we have experienced since the late nineties.
The managers continue to take their bonuses, and no matter what happens to the company, they move on to another airline and assist in messing that up for everyone concerned, whilst they continue to take their golden hand shakes and the rest of us (Pilots) scrap for a contract in eastern Europe or Africa to pay for a mortgage for our families, back home.
Maybe I'm old fashioned and I'm expecting too much from my current and future employers. Gordon Brown and all his cronies want us to work and get an education or training to keep us in employment, for all the obvious reasons, etc, however, when the training costs and personal sacrifices that we have all made are out weighed by the benefits, how are we meant to live in a modern Britain. I'm sure that I speak for the vast majority of us, that we all want to better ourselves, whether it be a nice house, car, or just a better standard of living for our familes or at least ourselves as individuals. We all have ambitions to move up the ladder of life, but if the Lo-co's and if the other airlines who follow their lead, in eroding everything that we have worked for; how do we move onwards and upwards, if all we get at the end of it, is a seasonal contract or we are replaced by guys who are willing to work for nothing, at any cost?
If, this is the future of aviation, well, where we all go from here, I just don't know? What really worries me though, is the MOL's of this world simply don't care about you and I. If, you like it you know what you can do etc. Great! We are just an inconvenience expense, who requires paying every month and training every 6 months. Call me cynical, but I really hope I'm wrong, and you can all right your threads in the future, and tell me how great the world of aviation is, and how I got it completely wrong.
S.
Reading between the lines I think we are watching the whole pilot recruitment process changing in front of our eyes. So much for all of us with Jet time and a bit of life experience! It all comes down to money and not the best person for the job! It's all about the bare minimum in terms of experience and criteria; and as long as those basics are met, why pay for an experienced guy, who would want a permanent contract and a half decent salary?
The attitude is take or leave it! If you've got a mortgage, wife and children, forget it! What the airlines want is guys paying for their own line training, type rating, etc and being paid peanuts, whilst living in a bedsit, or sleeping in their cars in the staff car park, as they don't have the money to have a decent standard of living. Most of them will be single, with little or no commitments, and that is perfect for the airlines.
Will BALPA step in and try to negotiate some kind of middle ground between experienced pilots and CTC/Cadet/ATP scheme type people is anyones guess. I think BALPA are powerless, if the airlines are working within the EU employment guidelines, and therefore they could employ whoever and do whatever they want.
I have been flying for an airline for only a few years, but already, all I have seen, are negatives. This global recession, is perfect ammunition for the airlines, to say that all these cut backs are necessary, and if the T's & C's are not eroded even further, that will be it and we will all be out of a job etc etc. The same with the oil prices in July 2008 etc. The airlines have seen a fantastic decade of economic growth since 1998 and apart from 9/11 which really only affected the medium/long haul carriers for a while, we have all seen as a casual observer, how much air travel has boomed. I don't seem remember all the T's & C's reflecting all the good times that we have experienced since the late nineties.
The managers continue to take their bonuses, and no matter what happens to the company, they move on to another airline and assist in messing that up for everyone concerned, whilst they continue to take their golden hand shakes and the rest of us (Pilots) scrap for a contract in eastern Europe or Africa to pay for a mortgage for our families, back home.
Maybe I'm old fashioned and I'm expecting too much from my current and future employers. Gordon Brown and all his cronies want us to work and get an education or training to keep us in employment, for all the obvious reasons, etc, however, when the training costs and personal sacrifices that we have all made are out weighed by the benefits, how are we meant to live in a modern Britain. I'm sure that I speak for the vast majority of us, that we all want to better ourselves, whether it be a nice house, car, or just a better standard of living for our familes or at least ourselves as individuals. We all have ambitions to move up the ladder of life, but if the Lo-co's and if the other airlines who follow their lead, in eroding everything that we have worked for; how do we move onwards and upwards, if all we get at the end of it, is a seasonal contract or we are replaced by guys who are willing to work for nothing, at any cost?
If, this is the future of aviation, well, where we all go from here, I just don't know? What really worries me though, is the MOL's of this world simply don't care about you and I. If, you like it you know what you can do etc. Great! We are just an inconvenience expense, who requires paying every month and training every 6 months. Call me cynical, but I really hope I'm wrong, and you can all right your threads in the future, and tell me how great the world of aviation is, and how I got it completely wrong.
S.
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The more interesting bit concerns a number of pilots, who were trained under the pay-to-fly ATP Scheme last year. Apparently under an organisation called 'Sigma', they are being re-employed as salary-earning pilots for Summer 2009. That is most definitely not what was envisioned last year when this scheme came into being. We were assured that no jobs would be given to the likes of Flying Clara - it would appear 'she' knew more than we thought! Interesting times indeed.
Just because they put the effort in and are now being offered this opportunity you want to critisize them? I really thought you were above that Fletch.
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The difference (for the moment at least
) between Ryan & Easy is at least following your training @ Ryanair you are given an open ended contract not merely seasonal.
Unfortunately, you will in all liklehood only be employed as "a contractor" , which throws up (
) a whole lot of other problems, and if this year is a foretaste of things to come, you will probably spend a month ( or several ) next winter with no pay. Same sh1t different flavor I hear you say, and indeed who am I to contradict such an erudite observation. 
solo si 2
Unfortunately, try as I might, I cannot contradict your cynical but entirely accurate assesment of this profession in 2009. It is finished.
The difference (for the moment at least
) between Ryan & Easy is at least following your training @ Ryanair you are given an open ended contract not merely seasonal.Unfortunately, you will in all liklehood only be employed as "a contractor" , which throws up (
) a whole lot of other problems, and if this year is a foretaste of things to come, you will probably spend a month ( or several ) next winter with no pay. Same sh1t different flavor I hear you say, and indeed who am I to contradict such an erudite observation. solo si 2
Unfortunately, try as I might, I cannot contradict your cynical but entirely accurate assesment of this profession in 2009. It is finished.