Flybe Recruiting and Ts & Cs
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From: A very long runway
Had a sniff here after a while abroad and fancied the simple life in the regions. Crap T's +C's if you got any serious time, in my opinion they are taking the proverbial. They are only going to get senior f/o's from other crap companies who want a command or old pilots who have made their cash. The 195 is years away for a new joiner and even when they guarantee your base standby for rostered weeks at other bases living in a B+B to make up for shortfalls. They work you hard and play hardball with you!
Methinks too many orders, !!!!e pay etc and they going to have snags. If they were any good their f/o's might stay with them but as it stands they desperate for capts, the f/o's get some hours and go to better companies. They are a training/feeder airline for everyone else. If type rated with any kind of time you could be an orange capt on almost twice the pay of a Q400 skipper with far better T's+C's.
Stay Away unless you a 200 hr newbie desperate for a job.
PS sim ride a joke if you flown glass, it designed for seneca pilots!
Methinks too many orders, !!!!e pay etc and they going to have snags. If they were any good their f/o's might stay with them but as it stands they desperate for capts, the f/o's get some hours and go to better companies. They are a training/feeder airline for everyone else. If type rated with any kind of time you could be an orange capt on almost twice the pay of a Q400 skipper with far better T's+C's.
Stay Away unless you a 200 hr newbie desperate for a job.
PS sim ride a joke if you flown glass, it designed for seneca pilots!
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From: The Butcher's
OK. Look. Get this straight: Flybe is recruiting like mad. The simple fact is that the Q400 (a bloody good aeroplane, BTW) will outnumber the E195 (an unproven liability) by about 3- or four-to-one when the company's expansion is complete. So if you want to fly for the UK's biggest Loco, you'll join on the Q400 as Capt or FO depending on experience. The Jet (so what?) is staffed from internal transfer ONLY.
The company is set to grow out of all recognition in the next few years, so if you want a seniority number nearer the top than the bottom of the list, get stuck in!!
No, I'm not management.
The company is set to grow out of all recognition in the next few years, so if you want a seniority number nearer the top than the bottom of the list, get stuck in!!
No, I'm not management.
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From: cardboard box
flybe FO base salary
I know on this is a bit off the topic, but whats the starting salary for a FO on the Dash 8. It says £26,191 on ppjn.com, however that figure was last updated in Nov 2005
Has there been any change since then?
Km
Has there been any change since then?
Km
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From: The Butcher's
KM,
No there hasn't because 'management' are behaving like @rseholes and refusing to come up with an offer on pay & conditions that's anything like acceptable. AS appears to have failed to appreciate that to fly more aeroplanes, you need more pilots. Sadly, you don't get more pilots (in fact experience shows that you only barely cover turnover) by treating/ paying them like fools!
WAKE UP!!
No there hasn't because 'management' are behaving like @rseholes and refusing to come up with an offer on pay & conditions that's anything like acceptable. AS appears to have failed to appreciate that to fly more aeroplanes, you need more pilots. Sadly, you don't get more pilots (in fact experience shows that you only barely cover turnover) by treating/ paying them like fools!
WAKE UP!!
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
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From: TOD
Kashmachine,
As far as I know, if you do your type rating with Flybe you pay a chunk back each year for five years. It brings the basic salary down to £22k + a bit starting off.
SR
As far as I know, if you do your type rating with Flybe you pay a chunk back each year for five years. It brings the basic salary down to £22k + a bit starting off.
SR
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From: UK
Originally Posted by speedrestriction
Kashmachine,
As far as I know, if you do your type rating with Flybe you pay a chunk back each year for five years. It brings the basic salary down to £22k + a bit starting off.
SR
As far as I know, if you do your type rating with Flybe you pay a chunk back each year for five years. It brings the basic salary down to £22k + a bit starting off.
SR
The salary for current year 1 FO's is correct as per PPJN, but rumour has it that new joiners will be taking a £3K pay cut and having to accept a 3 year non-reducing bond, as opposed to the present arrangement of a 3 year reducing bond.
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From: In your head.
Originally Posted by Shagtastic
"Q400..a bloody good aeroplane" really? 
Bearing in mind that a lot of the guys flying it are straight out of training. It's a far better experience for them than getting dragged around the sky by an Airbus.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
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From: TOD
Thank you Maude Charlee, I stand corrected. Regarding:
The salary for current year 1 FO's is correct as per PPJN, but rumour has it that new joiners will be taking a £3K pay cut and having to accept a 3 year non-reducing bond, as opposed to the present arrangement of a 3 year reducing bond.
If the above is correct, will current flightcrew / unions stand by and allow the company to erode the terms and conditions for new joiners?
SR
The salary for current year 1 FO's is correct as per PPJN, but rumour has it that new joiners will be taking a £3K pay cut and having to accept a 3 year non-reducing bond, as opposed to the present arrangement of a 3 year reducing bond.
If the above is correct, will current flightcrew / unions stand by and allow the company to erode the terms and conditions for new joiners?
SR
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From: UK
Chesty I know a bucket load of cadets who might just argue the point on your airbus v Q400 gem. Also in the grand sceme of things where cadets owe training companies a small fortune, you won't find too many of them taking £ from Flybe when the others are offering £££.
Have you flown an airbus by the way?
Have you flown an airbus by the way?
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From: In your head.
you won't find too many of them taking £ from Flybe when the others are offering £££.
airbus v Q400 gem
The job of a commercial airliner is to get passengers from one end to the other as safely and efficiently as possible. I have no doubt that the Airbus is as good, if not better, than all the others.
Have you flown an airbus by the way?
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From: The Butcher's
Yes. I stand by the comment. The Q400 is a bloody good machine. As a commercial tool it's unbeatable in its market area. OK it's not as comfortable from a pilot's point of view as an airbus but, operationally it's identical for practical purposes.
The presentation of the EFIS is very similar and the 'FMGC' logic is likewise. Leaving aside the cruise phase, the speeds (ie; in the terminal area) are very similar,too. The FMS is similar enough to be a good training tool - even if it is used under current SOPs like a glorified Trimble. What it lacks is auto thrust and a speed brake to make life easier.
And that's the real problem, from Flybe "management's" view point: they are not competeing in the retention stakes with turbo-prop operators but with airbus owners, who have come to recognise the value of Q400 experience in assesing suitability for employment.
The fact is that they are recruiting to the limit of capacity just to stand still. Something's gonna have to change to cope with the expansion (a doubling at least of the aircraft fleet) planned for the next few years.
Note to Chief Operating Officer: 2.4%? You are having a laugh, aren't you?
The presentation of the EFIS is very similar and the 'FMGC' logic is likewise. Leaving aside the cruise phase, the speeds (ie; in the terminal area) are very similar,too. The FMS is similar enough to be a good training tool - even if it is used under current SOPs like a glorified Trimble. What it lacks is auto thrust and a speed brake to make life easier.
And that's the real problem, from Flybe "management's" view point: they are not competeing in the retention stakes with turbo-prop operators but with airbus owners, who have come to recognise the value of Q400 experience in assesing suitability for employment.
The fact is that they are recruiting to the limit of capacity just to stand still. Something's gonna have to change to cope with the expansion (a doubling at least of the aircraft fleet) planned for the next few years.
Note to Chief Operating Officer: 2.4%? You are having a laugh, aren't you?
he used to be a great............dispatcher!
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From: UK
Yes. Simple as.
Bearing in mind that a lot of the guys flying it are straight out of training. It's a far better experience for them than getting dragged around the sky by an Airbus.
Bearing in mind that a lot of the guys flying it are straight out of training. It's a far better experience for them than getting dragged around the sky by an Airbus.
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From: Milton Keynes
Wake Up
2.4%
Degrading terms and conditions
No prospect of jet seat for 5 years
Bit of a no-brainer really.
If management are reading pay attention, you may have a strike to contend with if you continue this route.
Degrading terms and conditions
No prospect of jet seat for 5 years
Bit of a no-brainer really.
If management are reading pay attention, you may have a strike to contend with if you continue this route.
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From: The Butcher's
Oh, they won't have to put up with a strike, for one very simple reason: they want to sell the company and no investor will come within a hundred miles of an airline whose pilots are in formal dispute with its management. The Chief Operating Officer (whose time would be better spent in a nice little holiday job while he waits for his GCSE results) has formed the misguided opinion that he can simply bully his way to the solution he wants without compromise. Read the stats, Andy; in Prof. Muir's report period despite frantic recruitment you increased pilot numbers by a nett three. Flights are already being cancelled for want of crew. More aircraft are being delivered.
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