Flybe Recruiting and Ts & Cs
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BACON had pilots.............right up til Flybe pitched up.
BMI reg' have pilots.................????????????
Mr French. Jet pilots don't like going back to turboprops.
As Al Gore would say, an inconvenient truth!
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Roger.
Selective accounting then. Just fancy that.
BACON had pilots.............right up til Flybe pitched up.
BMI reg' have pilots.................????????????
Mr French. Jet pilots don't like going back to turboprops.
As Al Gore would say, an inconvenient truth!
Oldie
Roger.
Selective accounting then. Just fancy that.
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Brain fade,from your voiciferous posts,can i assume you are one of the few Bacon guys who will reluctantly be shoe-horned into a turboprop seat,rather than take a chance in the real world and try a new company ??
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It has to be said - The FlyBe roadshows are crap!
How on earth they expect people to join FlyBe as experienced FO's with such low pay is mental!
And that bloke with the microphone head.......Well, we'll say no more!!
I went, I saw, I left ASAP!
How on earth they expect people to join FlyBe as experienced FO's with such low pay is mental!
And that bloke with the microphone head.......Well, we'll say no more!!
I went, I saw, I left ASAP!
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I fly a prop myself mate.....Dash8 infact.......in FlyBes time of crisis I would have thought they would have offered a decent package to people who have 1000s of hours on the same machines as they fly........and for those who qualify for a fast track command......but, oh no, its still 23k. or 50k..like it or lump it...I lumped it!
I even fell for their decent salaries advertised in Flight...which really is a terrible and dishonest trick.....When i got there (roadshow) and found id have to take a pay cut and the fact they didnt seem to know the future of FlyBe between them i decided against the idea......all they kept aying was - take the pay cut now and reap the benefits in the future.....also how flybe will be the biggest and most rewarding airline in the UK over the next few years!
Then he even mentioned how he would bond me another 4K for 3 years for a differences course!!
Afterall, he said, the Dash Q400 isnt really a Dash8 and shouldnt be able to be done on a differences course because of the huge change in speed and cockpit layout!.......He then asked me why i was laughing my head off!
I said, I think i'll pass on that as i already have a Dash8 on my license....I picked up my free package (just the printouts from the website and the CD doesnt work btw
) and left....decision has been made!
Today, Microphone head and his friend met alot of experienced Dash8 pilots..from FO's to Training captains.....they didnt take one detail from any of us....all they wanted to do was tell what was on offer....if we want it then apply.....He seemed to assume we would all apply......unfortunately this is not the case!
Im sorry everyone in FlyBe....and i really dont mean to disrescpect your employer....and mine is far from perfect too....but the impression i got today was a really bad one.....I cant help but feel that you're going to struggle to crew these planes except for using the low houred guys on the market!
I fly a prop myself mate.....Dash8 infact.......in FlyBes time of crisis I would have thought they would have offered a decent package to people who have 1000s of hours on the same machines as they fly........and for those who qualify for a fast track command......but, oh no, its still 23k. or 50k..like it or lump it...I lumped it!
I even fell for their decent salaries advertised in Flight...which really is a terrible and dishonest trick.....When i got there (roadshow) and found id have to take a pay cut and the fact they didnt seem to know the future of FlyBe between them i decided against the idea......all they kept aying was - take the pay cut now and reap the benefits in the future.....also how flybe will be the biggest and most rewarding airline in the UK over the next few years!
Then he even mentioned how he would bond me another 4K for 3 years for a differences course!!
Afterall, he said, the Dash Q400 isnt really a Dash8 and shouldnt be able to be done on a differences course because of the huge change in speed and cockpit layout!.......He then asked me why i was laughing my head off!I said, I think i'll pass on that as i already have a Dash8 on my license....I picked up my free package (just the printouts from the website and the CD doesnt work btw
) and left....decision has been made! Today, Microphone head and his friend met alot of experienced Dash8 pilots..from FO's to Training captains.....they didnt take one detail from any of us....all they wanted to do was tell what was on offer....if we want it then apply.....He seemed to assume we would all apply......unfortunately this is not the case!
Im sorry everyone in FlyBe....and i really dont mean to disrescpect your employer....and mine is far from perfect too....but the impression i got today was a really bad one.....I cant help but feel that you're going to struggle to crew these planes except for using the low houred guys on the market!
Last edited by Longchop; 27th Feb 2007 at 19:43.
Está servira para distraerle.
The point of this thread has not really been to lambaste Flybe. It has rather been to discuss the discrepancies, to use the word politely, between that which Flybe have advertised as a reward package in Flight International and that which is in reality upon the table. The two would not seem to bear much resemblance to each other, unless of course, one is extremely adept at imaginative interpolation.
The roadshow was a bit of a farce by all accounts. Not much of a constructive nature would seem to have emerged from two held yesterday other than the fact that one should continue to apply on line, which slogan seems to be a little bit of a company mantra. It would appear fair to say that neither were personal details taken nor were incentives held forth in the drive to recruit new pilots of any rank?
That is all very well except that, if a company needs recruits, it behoves that prospective employer to do a little more than distribute a few glossy pamphlets and a CD of questionable quality.
Now this may all be very arrogant but be that as it may; there are plenty of experienced pilots about who can actually pick and choose, to a certain extent, what they do with their lives and those of their families. The presentations of yesterday were surely, at least by all accounts, hardly impressive enough to attract many such long term candidates?
If some among the contributors to these threads may work for Flybe so much the better for them. Feedback to any employer should be an important tool in structuring future recruitment campaigns that may become necessary.
However, to rather rudely tell contributors to these pages to vanish in a puff of smoke and then, as it were, in the same breath of venom to threaten to forward these Pprune pages to the prospective employer concerned does nothing but draw ridiculous attention to the questionable attitudes of both parties concerned?
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CavortingCheetah! - Top man...thats exactly how it is!
As a Dash8 pilot, I went to see FlyBe with a view to some decent terms and conditions, maybe even the 50k they advertised would be nice, but this wasnt the case.
A little shabby round the edges for the UKs leading regional airlrne id say.
That said, fair play to everyone who works there, I wouldnt mind a crack on the Q400 myself but for them to call the Q400 anything other than a turbo prop is a little bit imaginative. Afterall, if you can do it with a differences course from the 300 then it is still- just a Dash8!
As a Dash8 pilot, I went to see FlyBe with a view to some decent terms and conditions, maybe even the 50k they advertised would be nice, but this wasnt the case.
A little shabby round the edges for the UKs leading regional airlrne id say.
That said, fair play to everyone who works there, I wouldnt mind a crack on the Q400 myself but for them to call the Q400 anything other than a turbo prop is a little bit imaginative. Afterall, if you can do it with a differences course from the 300 then it is still- just a Dash8!
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I just can't believe the rubbish I read on these pages from people that have not and hopefully never will work for us....
The money's not everything. I for one can't complain, a pay rise at the end of last year, a payrise next month and one again next year. I live within 20 minutes of my home (regional base). I take the long days, I take the disrupted days, but I also take the short and sweet days where I'm done and off duty from 11 in the morning and have a whole day free.
At the end of the day I am a name down in Exeter, I'm not a staff number in BA or Easyjet. I am known by name by my fleet manager, training manager, rosterer and even personnel.
We have built a successful little business and I've played my part in it.
I look forward to working with like-minded people from wherever who share my professionalism.
The money's not everything. I for one can't complain, a pay rise at the end of last year, a payrise next month and one again next year. I live within 20 minutes of my home (regional base). I take the long days, I take the disrupted days, but I also take the short and sweet days where I'm done and off duty from 11 in the morning and have a whole day free.
At the end of the day I am a name down in Exeter, I'm not a staff number in BA or Easyjet. I am known by name by my fleet manager, training manager, rosterer and even personnel.
We have built a successful little business and I've played my part in it.
I look forward to working with like-minded people from wherever who share my professionalism.
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Many of us are known by name too. Given the choice I'll take the extra 40K ta very much. The rest is the same. Same ****, different airline, different payscale. I'm not knocking Flybe but don't pretend it's something it isn't. Turboprop Easyjet, with salaries to match.
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How can that be? Everybody is going to be on the BACON scheduling agreement, with all the perks that brings. I know, because dozens of BACON crew have been saying so in these very pages for ages now. Surely they can't be wrong... no, surely not... 
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Announcement tomorrow morning (1 March 2007). Just got a glimpse of an email while I was in logistics. Can't say what was in it as i might get sussed out!!!! Good luck guys.
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I think the statement that you "saw an email today in Logistics" will suss you out more effectively than revealing the contents will! 
You could always erase you post I suppose... ah but I just quoted you, didn't I! If you ask really nicely...
Announcement tomorrow morning (1 March 2007). Just got a glimpse of an email while I was in logistics. Can't say what was in it as i might get sussed out!!!! Good luck guys.
You could always erase you post I suppose... ah but I just quoted you, didn't I! If you ask really nicely...
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You say flyBE has had 250 quality applications in the last 12 days..
Well so has easyjet, BA, GB, DHL, thomsonfly, Air2000 etc etc, then you get 125 invited to interview, 75 bother to show up, 30 offered positions, 10 show up for day 1 !!!!!
10/250= a whopping 4%
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You say flyBE has had 250 quality applications in the last 12 days..
Well so has easyjet, BA, GB, DHL, thomsonfly, Air2000 etc etc, then you get 125 invited to interview, 75 bother to show up, 30 offered positions, 10 show up for day 1 !!!!!
10/250= a whopping 4%
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Direct entry flybe 145
Sounds like impossible doesn't it? On the other hand a lot of Bacon guys left Easy for the better deal and they are short of crew on the 145. Since Flybe is keeping the 145's going for the middle of 2009, they need pilots for them. Flybe is very cost aware and would not put Dash8 rated pilots on the 145. I.E. BHX 145 will be there with at least 5 from 8 till end 2008, after whic they will be fased out. Also about 60 pilots have been recruited lately and doing their line training on the 145 now.
You just got to be lucky I think as you might as well start on the Dash8Q400
You just got to be lucky I think as you might as well start on the Dash8Q400
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Flybe working hours
I have done a search and found that the Flybe rosters are:
"Typical roster 5+2 but with the odd 6+3 or 4+1 thrown in to change the days off."
Can anyone tell me how long the average working day is? When do you start and finish on an early or late (roughly)?
"Typical roster 5+2 but with the odd 6+3 or 4+1 thrown in to change the days off."
Can anyone tell me how long the average working day is? When do you start and finish on an early or late (roughly)?
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All depends on base and fleet.
A typical day on the Dash at Belfast would be a 4 sector early, starting 0545ish and finishing 1300ish, and a late shift is 6 sectors starting from 1120 until potentially 2120ish.
On the jet though, mornings are longer than afternoons, but all are 4 sector days.
At other bases, Brum for example, a 5 sector early, starting 0600ish and ending anything up to 1430ish, and afternoons 4 sectors from 1400-1500 and knocking off about 2200.
It can be a busy schedule, with mostly sub 60 minute sectors and 25 minute (except the JER-GCI sectors where it will be 15 minute) turnarounds.
Not sure what the summer holds as post BACON buyout lots of new routes and changes to the previous years typical mix of sectors.
A typical day on the Dash at Belfast would be a 4 sector early, starting 0545ish and finishing 1300ish, and a late shift is 6 sectors starting from 1120 until potentially 2120ish.
On the jet though, mornings are longer than afternoons, but all are 4 sector days.
At other bases, Brum for example, a 5 sector early, starting 0600ish and ending anything up to 1430ish, and afternoons 4 sectors from 1400-1500 and knocking off about 2200.
It can be a busy schedule, with mostly sub 60 minute sectors and 25 minute (except the JER-GCI sectors where it will be 15 minute) turnarounds.
Not sure what the summer holds as post BACON buyout lots of new routes and changes to the previous years typical mix of sectors.