EZY Spain- contract & CAP371 rostering
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The game starting now, looks a little different. They bring in a new "spanish employer" for EZY pilots.
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Couldn't care less about RYR really.
EZ has formal union recognition so there are rules about them changing contract terms without consultation.
Balpa and the ECA have virtually finished an agreement which joins all the EU unions together in a different way to IFALPA, whereby a memeber of VC, for example, is also a FULL member of Balpa if he/she works for a UK company. The reverse is also true of course. All the EU unions seem to be in favour (even the SNPL!).
This will mean huge membership percentages within EZ - bring it on!
Couldn't care less about RYR really.
EZ has formal union recognition so there are rules about them changing contract terms without consultation.
Balpa and the ECA have virtually finished an agreement which joins all the EU unions together in a different way to IFALPA, whereby a memeber of VC, for example, is also a FULL member of Balpa if he/she works for a UK company. The reverse is also true of course. All the EU unions seem to be in favour (even the SNPL!).
This will mean huge membership percentages within EZ - bring it on!
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Hello All,
I for one have just lost my job at Air Madrid.I try to explain to the bank why I
havent anymore income and they just scoff at me...I am in dire need of employment. Iīm 52 years of age and just when I was programmed for my base training flight as 320 Captain ( after 2 years F/O 330 ETOP Cruise Captain ) the company grounds to a halt in perhaps the most scandalous case of mis-management in global aviation history.
Please, can anyone give me de tails of what the assessment session consists of ?
I am overlooking the finer details of everyday existence...we all know that when it comes down to income we are all forced to take the best we can get, so PLEASE, will anyone give me a knowledgable run down of what to expect ?
Thanks Guys, the truth is that we are all in this together; pilots trying to survive as time runs its course.
I for one have just lost my job at Air Madrid.I try to explain to the bank why I
havent anymore income and they just scoff at me...I am in dire need of employment. Iīm 52 years of age and just when I was programmed for my base training flight as 320 Captain ( after 2 years F/O 330 ETOP Cruise Captain ) the company grounds to a halt in perhaps the most scandalous case of mis-management in global aviation history.
Please, can anyone give me de tails of what the assessment session consists of ?
I am overlooking the finer details of everyday existence...we all know that when it comes down to income we are all forced to take the best we can get, so PLEASE, will anyone give me a knowledgable run down of what to expect ?
Thanks Guys, the truth is that we are all in this together; pilots trying to survive as time runs its course.
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iīm sorry for you mi friend,
i have many friends in your situation, in fact the other day i took a few drinks with some of your colleges in irishĻ at barajas after the meeting you have ,
youīll find lot of information in other forum. iīm going to take it in 15 days, iīll tell you later, but i bought the aeasy pilot interview guide and looks usefull and a book name ACE the thecnical pilot interview, with helps with the questions youīll find in the guide, very simple and easy to read, and good to remember all that staff in english, other people will tell you about terms and condition.
thanks to sarah737, about the bond, all i know its what i read in the web page,
its very disapointing all of this deal of the ezy spain, because i can not acccept any difference of wath it says in the web, and if other peope do, theyīll take adventage about base, Its also peculiar that MAD its not in the list of basis where they are recruiting...
i have many friends in your situation, in fact the other day i took a few drinks with some of your colleges in irishĻ at barajas after the meeting you have ,
youīll find lot of information in other forum. iīm going to take it in 15 days, iīll tell you later, but i bought the aeasy pilot interview guide and looks usefull and a book name ACE the thecnical pilot interview, with helps with the questions youīll find in the guide, very simple and easy to read, and good to remember all that staff in english, other people will tell you about terms and condition.
thanks to sarah737, about the bond, all i know its what i read in the web page,
its very disapointing all of this deal of the ezy spain, because i can not acccept any difference of wath it says in the web, and if other peope do, theyīll take adventage about base, Its also peculiar that MAD its not in the list of basis where they are recruiting...
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Fact is there's little difference in what a crew may or may not do, between CAP 371 and circ 16-B, its Spanish equivalent.
Most differences between the two would apply to long haul limitations, so for a crew doing a short-middle range rotation or double rotation it would be just about the same.
In any case, if the MAD base comes under the UK AOC, CAP 371 would apply no questions asked. Labour regulations are an entire different thing, but then again, very little difference would be felt in practical terms.
Or, maybe I'm missing something here?
Most differences between the two would apply to long haul limitations, so for a crew doing a short-middle range rotation or double rotation it would be just about the same.
In any case, if the MAD base comes under the UK AOC, CAP 371 would apply no questions asked. Labour regulations are an entire different thing, but then again, very little difference would be felt in practical terms.
Or, maybe I'm missing something here?
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???
BTW, has anyone wondered whether the Spanish CAA will even allow easy to operate with CAP371?
I would not be surprised if they would say: "Spanish AOC, EC registered aircraft, therefore Spanish rules all the way," at some point.
It would be interesting to see whether the īsuperiorī UK CAA with itīs īsuperior CAP371ī would allow a similar deal where airlines fly with a UK AOC, but with a (for example) Swiss duty regulation.
Is this just another nice promise and a way to lure people to MAD?
I would not be surprised if they would say: "Spanish AOC, EC registered aircraft, therefore Spanish rules all the way," at some point.
It would be interesting to see whether the īsuperiorī UK CAA with itīs īsuperior CAP371ī would allow a similar deal where airlines fly with a UK AOC, but with a (for example) Swiss duty regulation.
Is this just another nice promise and a way to lure people to MAD?
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Has anyone been offered a contract?
As EZY starts to operate from MAD immeninetly, has anyone been offered a contract and told what the rostering schedule will be? please enlighten us.On the current EZY rostering of 5/3/5/4 one would get 147 days off in a year plus 28 days leave, from CAP371, with 10 days off p/m, that's 120 days plus 28 leave, big difference!! Lifestyle is a big issue here, on a variable roster with CAP371 you could not plan anything ahead as you can with ALL the rest of EZY
Seems like more work for the same money, or am i reading this wrong?
What to do........
Seems like more work for the same money, or am i reading this wrong?What to do........
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Geespot, read the title of this thread again: EZY MAD = CAP 371, so forget about 5/3/5/4. It is random rostering with 9 or 10 days off a month. I think leave should be a bit more, 35ish days, according to spanish law, as you will be working for a spanish agency and NOT easyJ UK.
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When I applied in August I had in mind the terms as advertised on the easyjet site and the 5354 roster.
Awaiting my contract now, I hear that if I am offered the MAD base the advertised terms will not apply and there is even the chance to be employed by an agency.
This is not exactly what I had in mind when I applied. If I refused the MAD job offer based on the different terms, would this result in loosing the easy job offer alltogether or would I be offered another base?
Any similar experiences with easy?
Awaiting my contract now, I hear that if I am offered the MAD base the advertised terms will not apply and there is even the chance to be employed by an agency.
This is not exactly what I had in mind when I applied. If I refused the MAD job offer based on the different terms, would this result in loosing the easy job offer alltogether or would I be offered another base?
Any similar experiences with easy?
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[QUOTE=Coppi;.....Awaiting my contract now, I hear that if I am offered the MAD base the advertised terms will not apply and there is even the chance to be employed by an agency........[/QUOTE]
The only way to be sure what you got, is, what is written on your contract!
Than itīs time to take considerations. But I believe, they would offer you another base...I believe!
The only way to be sure what you got, is, what is written on your contract!
Than itīs time to take considerations. But I believe, they would offer you another base...I believe!
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i think we are mixing things, onces its the cap 371 or the spanish version anex 16b, i dont know anything abaout cap 371. but i know quite well the anex 16b, and what its all about its maximum activity depending on your cheking time, mumber of legs, maximum a month, three month and a year, it is not a programation tool, at least in spain there is no company whit a roster system like 5453, just click air because they have copy most of the terms of ryr, not even iberia have something like this, (this is why i want to try ezy)then its compatible appllay 16b with a 54 53 system, there are two diferent things, anyway, my interview its on the 18, and off course i will ask for this specific subjet and i promise to tell in this forum what ever they tell me
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If I understood well, which I think I did:
You will be employed by Easy-Espaņa (an agency like Parc or Brookfield) but UK planes, UK aoc, Cap 371, only 9-10 days off a month withOUT any fixed pattern, salary paid in euro, subject to spanish tax and social security, no LOL, no private medical, no pension!
You will be employed by Easy-Espaņa (an agency like Parc or Brookfield) but UK planes, UK aoc, Cap 371, only 9-10 days off a month withOUT any fixed pattern, salary paid in euro, subject to spanish tax and social security, no LOL, no private medical, no pension!
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I wonder, how PT will fill up MAD on time? I can not imagine any EZY pilot would give up his UK contract, just to be in MAD?
So this is the chance for all spanish newcomers, which have to grab a job. (which I can understand to a certain point!)
So this is the chance for all spanish newcomers, which have to grab a job. (which I can understand to a certain point!)
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If I understood well, which I think I did:
You will be employed by Easy-Espaņa (an agency like Parc or Brookfield) but UK planes, UK aoc, Cap 371, only 9-10 days off a month withOUT any fixed pattern, salary paid in euro, subject to spanish tax and social security, no LOL, no private medical, no pension!
You will be employed by Easy-Espaņa (an agency like Parc or Brookfield) but UK planes, UK aoc, Cap 371, only 9-10 days off a month withOUT any fixed pattern, salary paid in euro, subject to spanish tax and social security, no LOL, no private medical, no pension!
i repite: i wonīt accept any diferent conditions that the one are shown in the
web page plus the 54 53, pattern and the the chance to came to mad in a short future, i can not accept any other thing because iīm allredy base in MAD with better cond, and a ramdom 10 days off. and if this different conditions are real, i canīt not accept either becouse other people will have a priority to came to mad,
i wonīt write for a while becouse i need to prepare the assesment, and reading this forum its making me think in giving up, the truth its that is going to be hard for me, i broke my collar bone two months ago and i havent flown since that, best regards to all, iīll give you mor information on the 20th in the event i make the grade
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hi all
i allready took my interview, i havenīt been contact since that, but i have a good feeling about that, does anyone know anything new concerning mad?
best regards
i allready took my interview, i havenīt been contact since that, but i have a good feeling about that, does anyone know anything new concerning mad?
best regards
so ? let us know !! easyJet or Iberia ?
