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Leo Hairy-Camel
thank you very much for informations i am looking for.
5/4/5/4 sound fantastic to me and for days a year for a sim and anotherone for medical is peanuts.In my company at the moment i get average 15-20 phonecalls a month with rosterchanges, more legs, earlier duties up to 5 legs plus 1 deadhead.
The only thing i would like to know is about holiday, they told us in Cologne at the Roadshow 29 days a year.Does this really mean I can request them when i like them, or is the company all or half of them assigning them to me, or are they included in these 4 offdays throughout the year.? When i ask for 5 days holidays, will the 4 offdays before and after stay.
Sorry I am asking a lot,but......
Thanks for info
TA
thank you very much for informations i am looking for.
5/4/5/4 sound fantastic to me and for days a year for a sim and anotherone for medical is peanuts.In my company at the moment i get average 15-20 phonecalls a month with rosterchanges, more legs, earlier duties up to 5 legs plus 1 deadhead.
The only thing i would like to know is about holiday, they told us in Cologne at the Roadshow 29 days a year.Does this really mean I can request them when i like them, or is the company all or half of them assigning them to me, or are they included in these 4 offdays throughout the year.? When i ask for 5 days holidays, will the 4 offdays before and after stay.
Sorry I am asking a lot,but......
Thanks for info
TA
Thin Albert,
A quick prediction....
As an answer to your question would involve Leo saying something negative about RYR, he won't reply!!!
A quick prediction....
As an answer to your question would involve Leo saying something negative about RYR, he won't reply!!!
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You do talk sh1t. You can't have been at easy long-post 2003 I'll guess.
Can you supply me, and everyone else, the number of pilots that have left easy to join Ryan AND then come back gain.
Go on, have ago, answer the question.
You do talk sh1t. You can't have been at easy long-post 2003 I'll guess.
Can you supply me, and everyone else, the number of pilots that have left easy to join Ryan AND then come back gain.
Go on, have ago, answer the question.
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Thin Albert, Ryanair is not a bad place to work, however dont be fooled by this so called 5/4. Sounds good in name, however are you not suspicious considering the overwhelming majority of the pilots working in he company rejected this deal??
Up to 12 of you 29 days leave is allocated during the yr to facilitate the 5/4 pattern, if memory serves me right. So in truth you are getting approximately 17 days leave which you can apply for freely but getting them granted is another matter. Also from Jan-Mar, the company may at its own will revert the roster to 5/3 or even 5/2 if required. Then you have the recurrent sims on your off days, which is another four days per yr at least. Basically its still a 5/3 pattern with reduced flexibility with regard leave. Also if for some reason such as illness you miss a few days work, the company can change your roster to 5/2 to catch up on your lost hours.
Manfred.
Up to 12 of you 29 days leave is allocated during the yr to facilitate the 5/4 pattern, if memory serves me right. So in truth you are getting approximately 17 days leave which you can apply for freely but getting them granted is another matter. Also from Jan-Mar, the company may at its own will revert the roster to 5/3 or even 5/2 if required. Then you have the recurrent sims on your off days, which is another four days per yr at least. Basically its still a 5/3 pattern with reduced flexibility with regard leave. Also if for some reason such as illness you miss a few days work, the company can change your roster to 5/2 to catch up on your lost hours.
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Nice Touch - Maybe someone trod on your hamster when you were six and you have never been able to form normal relationships since then - or at least that is what your social worker told the Judge. Next time you want someone to reply to you, try and learn some manners. You'll find it works wonders.
Leo - a pleasure to hear from you. Your posts are always magnificently written and a joy to read. What makes them even more enjoyable is that they are also some of the most consistent posts on PPrune - they are consistently wrong on virtually every issue. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The dismal T&G foolishly announced there was going to be industrial action among our cabin crew but had neglected to ballot them first. I have asked countless cabin crew if they are going to vote against the pay deal and I have not found a single one who will. At a recent SEP day I attended (inside my 5/2/5/4 roster pattern!), with about 20 cabin crew from different bases, every single one said they were hacked off at the T&G's statement and said they would vote 'Yes' when the time comes. The 'Orange Trolley Dollies' are therefore unlikely to provide you with a Summer of discontent. Not least of all, they are now the highest paid cabin crew that I know of in the UK other than BA crew on the 'old' deal.
Regarding profits, easyJet has always made a loss in the Winter and and a profit in the Summer. This year is no exception and nor will the next be or the year after. Every year without fail since easyJet started they have made an overall annual profit and I fully expect that trend to continue. The word is that this year will bring the largest ever profit in our history - boring facts I know but that is the way it is.
Rostering is a tricky one and I think that there is going to be a battle over this at easyJet. Reading the frankly embarrassing article about fatigue reduction in this week's Flight International could have led the uninitiated to believe that easyJet and Ryanair are benevolent philanthropists, who want nothing more than to brighten up their pilots' lives. Nothing could be further from the truth and our 5/2/5/4 pattern should only be considered as a starting point for negotiation. We are in the fortunate position of being increasingly unionised and therefore able to take part in the fight ahead. Alas, nogotiation does not seem to form a significant part of Ryanair management's skill set and being without a collective voice all new Ryanair pilots will just have to lie back and think of Ireland.
Stan Woolley - Is someone's opinion on the situations in Rwanda or Afghanistan invalid because they have never been there? No - the key is to research the situation carefully before reaching a judgement. Similarly, is someone's opinion about Ryanair invalid because they have not worked there? No, because there is the possiblity of gathering information from friends and colleagues who have worked there (and some who still do) plus researching a huge range of written material on the company. I note from some of your previous posts that you are extremely sensitive to any criticism of Ryanair from easyJet pilots - inevitably having left us in the huff only to find you have jumped out of the frying pan into a roasting hot fire must be a disappointment. You have my sympathies.
My honest take on this is that in the past Ryanair was better paid and actually quite a good place to work - if you could cope with 'The O'Leary Factor'. Also, in the past easyJet was non-unionised and full of promises that were never kept. Many people came to hate it and accordingly left. I think it is good for us all to recognise that most companies are pretty fluid and what was true yesterday is not necessarily true today. The easyJet Stan Woolley left is not the one I recognise today, and I work at supposedly the hardest base with the most difficult 'hassle' factors. Is all perfect at easyJet? Absolutely not! The good news, however, is that with the advent of unionisation we can see a way to a brighter future. Our new pay deal does, I believe, put us for the first time slightly ahead of Ryanair. The real issue is rostering and I can see a way to expect significant changes in the future. Without a strong collective-bargaining position we would be nowhere today. Union representation has brought us to a place where the battle can be fought out without fear and intimidation. It seems to me that there is a relentless drive at Ryanair to drive the terms and conditions of new pilots in particular. EasyJet do not have the modern equivalent of the Cadbury family at the helm, desparately trying to improve their eimployees' miserable lives. The difference between us and Ryanair is that for the first time our managers have had to stand up and take notice of the nearly 80% of pilots who have joined BALPA to fight for a better future. The pilots at Ryanair are being consitently stuffed by their employers and are facing a relentless spiral of their terms and conditions. The 5/4 rostering deal is clearly not an improvement and hence the reason all the pilots at Ryanair voted against it. Nonetheless it is coming in anyway among new joiners simply because there is no collective voice to prevent it. Our ludicrous TRSS scheme was brought in after Sep 11 and was unilaterally imposed by our managers on a largely disunited and apathetic workforce - I do not believe such a change could occur now. It is glaringly apparent that the principle difference between us is that we have become organised and Ryanair has not - consequently we are on the up and up in terms of being an employer to work for and you are on a steady decline. That is not to insult you in any way but to recognise the harsh reality of what we are both up against. If you corporately do not act and join together the future can only be negative.
I therefore stand by my previous statements and still wonder why any pilot with a choice would choose to work for such an unscrupulous employer. To the likes of Thin Albert I would say, are all these people on PPrune who work for Ryanair and claim their contracts were just changed at a whim all liars? Reading the excellent posts from people like essex boy must surely cast a doubt in the mind of even the most determined Lemming. Ultimately, if you are absolutely determined to jump over the side of a cliff, then all the wise words in the world will not stop you.....
By the way, please do not think me rude if I do not participate too much further in this debate. The World Cup calls and I have some serious TV watching to do!
Leo - a pleasure to hear from you. Your posts are always magnificently written and a joy to read. What makes them even more enjoyable is that they are also some of the most consistent posts on PPrune - they are consistently wrong on virtually every issue. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The dismal T&G foolishly announced there was going to be industrial action among our cabin crew but had neglected to ballot them first. I have asked countless cabin crew if they are going to vote against the pay deal and I have not found a single one who will. At a recent SEP day I attended (inside my 5/2/5/4 roster pattern!), with about 20 cabin crew from different bases, every single one said they were hacked off at the T&G's statement and said they would vote 'Yes' when the time comes. The 'Orange Trolley Dollies' are therefore unlikely to provide you with a Summer of discontent. Not least of all, they are now the highest paid cabin crew that I know of in the UK other than BA crew on the 'old' deal.
Regarding profits, easyJet has always made a loss in the Winter and and a profit in the Summer. This year is no exception and nor will the next be or the year after. Every year without fail since easyJet started they have made an overall annual profit and I fully expect that trend to continue. The word is that this year will bring the largest ever profit in our history - boring facts I know but that is the way it is.
Rostering is a tricky one and I think that there is going to be a battle over this at easyJet. Reading the frankly embarrassing article about fatigue reduction in this week's Flight International could have led the uninitiated to believe that easyJet and Ryanair are benevolent philanthropists, who want nothing more than to brighten up their pilots' lives. Nothing could be further from the truth and our 5/2/5/4 pattern should only be considered as a starting point for negotiation. We are in the fortunate position of being increasingly unionised and therefore able to take part in the fight ahead. Alas, nogotiation does not seem to form a significant part of Ryanair management's skill set and being without a collective voice all new Ryanair pilots will just have to lie back and think of Ireland.
Stan Woolley - Is someone's opinion on the situations in Rwanda or Afghanistan invalid because they have never been there? No - the key is to research the situation carefully before reaching a judgement. Similarly, is someone's opinion about Ryanair invalid because they have not worked there? No, because there is the possiblity of gathering information from friends and colleagues who have worked there (and some who still do) plus researching a huge range of written material on the company. I note from some of your previous posts that you are extremely sensitive to any criticism of Ryanair from easyJet pilots - inevitably having left us in the huff only to find you have jumped out of the frying pan into a roasting hot fire must be a disappointment. You have my sympathies.
My honest take on this is that in the past Ryanair was better paid and actually quite a good place to work - if you could cope with 'The O'Leary Factor'. Also, in the past easyJet was non-unionised and full of promises that were never kept. Many people came to hate it and accordingly left. I think it is good for us all to recognise that most companies are pretty fluid and what was true yesterday is not necessarily true today. The easyJet Stan Woolley left is not the one I recognise today, and I work at supposedly the hardest base with the most difficult 'hassle' factors. Is all perfect at easyJet? Absolutely not! The good news, however, is that with the advent of unionisation we can see a way to a brighter future. Our new pay deal does, I believe, put us for the first time slightly ahead of Ryanair. The real issue is rostering and I can see a way to expect significant changes in the future. Without a strong collective-bargaining position we would be nowhere today. Union representation has brought us to a place where the battle can be fought out without fear and intimidation. It seems to me that there is a relentless drive at Ryanair to drive the terms and conditions of new pilots in particular. EasyJet do not have the modern equivalent of the Cadbury family at the helm, desparately trying to improve their eimployees' miserable lives. The difference between us and Ryanair is that for the first time our managers have had to stand up and take notice of the nearly 80% of pilots who have joined BALPA to fight for a better future. The pilots at Ryanair are being consitently stuffed by their employers and are facing a relentless spiral of their terms and conditions. The 5/4 rostering deal is clearly not an improvement and hence the reason all the pilots at Ryanair voted against it. Nonetheless it is coming in anyway among new joiners simply because there is no collective voice to prevent it. Our ludicrous TRSS scheme was brought in after Sep 11 and was unilaterally imposed by our managers on a largely disunited and apathetic workforce - I do not believe such a change could occur now. It is glaringly apparent that the principle difference between us is that we have become organised and Ryanair has not - consequently we are on the up and up in terms of being an employer to work for and you are on a steady decline. That is not to insult you in any way but to recognise the harsh reality of what we are both up against. If you corporately do not act and join together the future can only be negative.
I therefore stand by my previous statements and still wonder why any pilot with a choice would choose to work for such an unscrupulous employer. To the likes of Thin Albert I would say, are all these people on PPrune who work for Ryanair and claim their contracts were just changed at a whim all liars? Reading the excellent posts from people like essex boy must surely cast a doubt in the mind of even the most determined Lemming. Ultimately, if you are absolutely determined to jump over the side of a cliff, then all the wise words in the world will not stop you.....
By the way, please do not think me rude if I do not participate too much further in this debate. The World Cup calls and I have some serious TV watching to do!
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Leo's version is best, three cheers for Leo, Long live Leo
Thin Albert, as you've probably gathered so far, there are a number of folks hereabouts who like nothing more than to cast aspersions on Ryanair in an attempt to denigrate it as an employer.
But even more to the point, he does not mention that the same does not apply to him. You will find NO criticism of Ryanair in any of the many posts by Leo. You will NEVER finding him answering direct questions that might be inconvenient to himself or Ryanair. You will also find he constantly makes references implying that he is a full-time Ryanair captain. He is not a full-time captain. In fact he is a contractor who receives a much better package than most Ryanair pilots; he also enjoys the favour of management, to whom he has privileged access.
Leo is thus the last possible source of objective information about Ryanair. He does not care, for example, for the ripped-off Second Officers - of whom there currently are quite a number discovering what they expected from Ryanair ads is completely different from what they got in practice. He just does not discuss issues such as this, because they are inconvenient to his role as an apologist and propagandist for Ryanair.
Re-read his post in the light of what I have to say. Does it not ooze Ryanair ideology and assurances, but little else?
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interesting quotes from bonderman here.has it peaked?
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Sensitive about Easyjet you're damn right I am - they went a long way towards losing me my health and have done the same to many others so please spare me the pontification about company morality and all that other sh1te!
BTW I came to Ryanair from a B767 job and have no regrets so far so spare your sympathy for someone who needs it!
Maybe you should apply for a management job at easy, I think it'd suit you nicely.
Sensitive about Easyjet you're damn right I am - they went a long way towards losing me my health and have done the same to many others so please spare me the pontification about company morality and all that other sh1te!
BTW I came to Ryanair from a B767 job and have no regrets so far so spare your sympathy for someone who needs it!
Maybe you should apply for a management job at easy, I think it'd suit you nicely.
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Bit weird, with respect to the holiday.
My contract does have it in writing that the 29 days are mine and mine alone to choose what to do with.
However some of the 4 off days may be used for other training, without effecting my holiday entitlement.
Hope that makes sense.
Effectively 5 on 4 off with 29 days leave you have 1/2 the year off. they are taking 4 or more of those rostered off days to cover Recurrent training not supposedly time from your own Annual Leave entitelment.
Quick respond those of you with, you idiot you actuallty believe your contract
Ryanair is not a bad place to work, if you dont go in expecting great things in the first place.
My contract does have it in writing that the 29 days are mine and mine alone to choose what to do with.
However some of the 4 off days may be used for other training, without effecting my holiday entitlement.
Hope that makes sense.
Effectively 5 on 4 off with 29 days leave you have 1/2 the year off. they are taking 4 or more of those rostered off days to cover Recurrent training not supposedly time from your own Annual Leave entitelment.
Quick respond those of you with, you idiot you actuallty believe your contract
Ryanair is not a bad place to work, if you dont go in expecting great things in the first place.
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Hope that makes sense.
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Ryanair Captains soon to be on £15,000 per month.
I have heard a rumour that Ryanair will be paying £15,000 per month to Captains in a desperate bid to crew their fleet of Boeings. Usually I would have taken this rumour with a huge pinch of salt, but I have heard it from five very reliable sources. All the Captains I have spoken to are very senior, and all claim to have inside information about Ryanair. Could this be true???
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Merceneries
For some time short term moonlighters have been paid €1000 per day by a contract agency to fly for a well known low cost carrier.
Yes for 22 days a month that would equate to €22,000 or £14,960 per month however few work morw than a week or two at that rate.
To suggest a fixed term contract is available for example at £90k for 6 months is folly.
Yes for 22 days a month that would equate to €22,000 or £14,960 per month however few work morw than a week or two at that rate.
To suggest a fixed term contract is available for example at £90k for 6 months is folly.
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Slight incorrect wording in the initial post.ryanair will pay CERTAIN pilots £15,000 IN one month.That is when the courts will deem ryanair to have broken the law by forcing existing pilot employees to pay £15,000 for their retraining onto the 737-800 from the 737-200,because they would not take what the bully boys in management were trying to foist upon them.
Not a hand out for all,just those who had the balls to stand up to mick the maggot.
Not a hand out for all,just those who had the balls to stand up to mick the maggot.
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It is the last part of a hearing by the Supreme Court of an action by Ryanair - which is trying to escape from a very inconvenient Labour Court finding. Ryanair have lost everything up to this point (and most observers think they will lose this one too). Ryanair know they are lost if their pilots make it to a full hearing in the Labour Court so they are trying every possible manoeuvre to avoid or delay a hearing. The case is being fought by IALPA (technically they are doing so on behalf of the Labour Court).
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Ryanair contract pilots
Hello, About Ryanair f/o contract!
Before applying to Ryanair as an experience 737 f/o .
Is it a good option to apply to Fr as a contract pilot via a broker?
As a contract pilot:
1st . Is there any chance to get the base that you want ( instead of being base at STN) ?
2nd Can you be in the fast track command scheme?
I did many search in these forums but couldn’t find no answer to my questions.
Thanks
Before applying to Ryanair as an experience 737 f/o .
Is it a good option to apply to Fr as a contract pilot via a broker?
As a contract pilot:
1st . Is there any chance to get the base that you want ( instead of being base at STN) ?
2nd Can you be in the fast track command scheme?
I did many search in these forums but couldn’t find no answer to my questions.
Thanks
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