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Can anybody help me out please?
1.Is it true 5on 4off?
2.Is it true bonded typerating for FO 1500 hrs.JAR 25?
3.Fast track command, 6 month is it serious?
4.Can you choose a base or do they put you were they like?
5.Base availibility top down? (looking Bergamo or Pisa)
6.Where do i pay taxes?
7.No more pension contribution for new joiners?
Sorry I am asking a lot, because i need to make a decision.And FR is not as clear as Easy in their advertisements.
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Thin Albert
1.Is it true 5on 4off?
2.Is it true bonded typerating for FO 1500 hrs.JAR 25?
3.Fast track command, 6 month is it serious?
4.Can you choose a base or do they put you were they like?
5.Base availibility top down? (looking Bergamo or Pisa)
6.Where do i pay taxes?
7.No more pension contribution for new joiners?
Sorry I am asking a lot, because i need to make a decision.And FR is not as clear as Easy in their advertisements.
Thanks
Thin Albert
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Ryanair pilots have rejected this scam by a very substantial majority. Not least of the many reasons is that the 5:4 claim is so qualified by "get out" claused that it is meaningless. By the dound of things you really need to read the following (see post #7):
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074
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Thanks Aloue for replying quickly.So 5 on 4 off is not true,that changes things a lot for me.
Anyway i ll go to Cologne tomorrow and talk to them directly and will see what they say.
Anybody else some news on this thread please.
Cheerio
Thin Albert
Anyway i ll go to Cologne tomorrow and talk to them directly and will see what they say.
Anybody else some news on this thread please.
Cheerio
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Thin Albert, Be carefull they will just promise you a load of stuff thats not true or half truths. You'll know when they lie to you, the telltale sign is when their lips move.
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Given that the company has unilaterally degraded the terms and conditions in the last two years I'm not sure if what you are promised is worth anything. This is probably the worst thing the company has inflicted on itself in recent times. It used to be that whatever you were promised, however bad, was honoured. Now whatever they promise to attract new recruits has to be treated with some amount of scepticism.
Many people joined and have written contracts that speak of Loss of Licence, payment for medicals, rostered days for medicals, increment payments, uniform allowance, tea, coffee and water etc. All these things are no more. This is why the recent offer of a 5 -4 roster was treated with suspicion and ultimately rejected.
Go, see what you are offered but always consider what your move will be when the terms are altered without consultation or consent.
Many people joined and have written contracts that speak of Loss of Licence, payment for medicals, rostered days for medicals, increment payments, uniform allowance, tea, coffee and water etc. All these things are no more. This is why the recent offer of a 5 -4 roster was treated with suspicion and ultimately rejected.
Go, see what you are offered but always consider what your move will be when the terms are altered without consultation or consent.
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No Ryanair promise is worth the paper that it’s not even written on. They will promise you everything and deliver nothing. 5 on 4 off is for new joiners but, as it states in the agreement that you probably wont see, they can change it to 5 on 3 off or 5 on 2 off as and when they please. Oh and your annual leave is used to supplement the extra days. Oh and you have to go to the sim on your days off. New guys are on a “temporary” training contract. Some have been on the “temporary” training contract, without pay, for over a year. That’s right no pay for over a year waiting to finish training.
They treat their most loyal employees like dog muck why would they treat new guys any better. The house of cards is beginning to buckle under the weight of the management egos. Pilots are leaving in their droves. Their need for new EXPERIENCED pilots is so huge now that the problem is unrecoverable. Too many aeroplanes coming not enough pilots. The FOs that are there are so inexperienced that they will not make captain in time to help.
Ryanair is a monster that would rather eat its own flesh than pay for nourishment.
They treat their most loyal employees like dog muck why would they treat new guys any better. The house of cards is beginning to buckle under the weight of the management egos. Pilots are leaving in their droves. Their need for new EXPERIENCED pilots is so huge now that the problem is unrecoverable. Too many aeroplanes coming not enough pilots. The FOs that are there are so inexperienced that they will not make captain in time to help.
Ryanair is a monster that would rather eat its own flesh than pay for nourishment.
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OK thanks for info.
Can someone tell me how much income tax in Ireland I would pay for an income of 65300 Euro (married two kids) not living in Ireland.
How much percent is deducted for unemployment and for health insurance.What other social insurances will be deducted, and how much.
dear colleagues I really appreciate your help.
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Thin Albert
Can someone tell me how much income tax in Ireland I would pay for an income of 65300 Euro (married two kids) not living in Ireland.
How much percent is deducted for unemployment and for health insurance.What other social insurances will be deducted, and how much.
dear colleagues I really appreciate your help.
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Thin Albert you are a glutton for punishment, but you do ask good questions. I can't do your tax for you, but the tax rates in Ireland are lower than in mainland Europe. So too are social payments. HOWEVER, if you are then based at one of the continental bases and you or your family get ill - some important questions and issues begin to arise.
For example, did anyone tell you that Ryanair just cancelled, with a few days notice, Loss of Licence insurance? That's it. Just gone. You pay now (so now most probably will forget about LOL).
Bottom line: all of this is designed to get cash into your hands, to make your earnings look high and make you feel well off. The problems arise later. This is all smoke and mirrors - just like the "5 on 4 off". Now you have no insurance from your company, low welfare payments and problems if your real payment rate becomes known in one of the countries that provides REAL health care. And that is not to even get into the taxation "arrangements" that you might be responsible for sorting out should the tax authorities in another country come after you.
In any case, as has been repeatedly said above, what Ryanair say / promise and what they actually do is different. They are taking money from their staff all the time, with new "arrangements" or new "interpretations" of contracts. So far there is no sign that they will stop.
Equally, so far there is no sign that quite a large number of pilots will ever learn .... and so we keep meeting pilots complaining about months without pay, or contracts ignored. You can feel sorry for them as individuals, but as a group it is harder to be sympathetic. It must be said that there have been more than enough warnings here for the last year for anyone with a bit of wit to realise that something is not right. Get everything in writing - and in advance - though they will still tell you that certain things in the contract were "a mistake" and do not apply to you. When that happens, are you going to accept it? Most people do. And Ryanair know that. Which is why it will go on happening.
For example, did anyone tell you that Ryanair just cancelled, with a few days notice, Loss of Licence insurance? That's it. Just gone. You pay now (so now most probably will forget about LOL).
Bottom line: all of this is designed to get cash into your hands, to make your earnings look high and make you feel well off. The problems arise later. This is all smoke and mirrors - just like the "5 on 4 off". Now you have no insurance from your company, low welfare payments and problems if your real payment rate becomes known in one of the countries that provides REAL health care. And that is not to even get into the taxation "arrangements" that you might be responsible for sorting out should the tax authorities in another country come after you.
In any case, as has been repeatedly said above, what Ryanair say / promise and what they actually do is different. They are taking money from their staff all the time, with new "arrangements" or new "interpretations" of contracts. So far there is no sign that they will stop.
Equally, so far there is no sign that quite a large number of pilots will ever learn .... and so we keep meeting pilots complaining about months without pay, or contracts ignored. You can feel sorry for them as individuals, but as a group it is harder to be sympathetic. It must be said that there have been more than enough warnings here for the last year for anyone with a bit of wit to realise that something is not right. Get everything in writing - and in advance - though they will still tell you that certain things in the contract were "a mistake" and do not apply to you. When that happens, are you going to accept it? Most people do. And Ryanair know that. Which is why it will go on happening.
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I underwent a Ryanair interview/selection for a DEC position. The person who interviewed me was a shifty, devious little O'Leary clone who couldn't look me in the eye and wouldn't give me a direct answer to any of the pertinent questions I posed. My suggestion that I'd like answers and I'd like to see them in writing almost gave him a heart attack.
They didn't offer me a job - it didn't matter, I eventually had four options from which to choose, all from much more ethical companies.
Do not go there unless you have absolutely no other choice. If you must, seek to leave at the earliest opportunity.
They didn't offer me a job - it didn't matter, I eventually had four options from which to choose, all from much more ethical companies.
Do not go there unless you have absolutely no other choice. If you must, seek to leave at the earliest opportunity.
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20% on first 32k and 40% on the balance. So your net pay after tax from 63,500euro would be 44,500euro.
Doesnt sound too bad, however as previous posts have said, think of the things you dont get and dont believe a word they say until you see it in black and white, and even then be sceptical!
Doesnt sound too bad, however as previous posts have said, think of the things you dont get and dont believe a word they say until you see it in black and white, and even then be sceptical!
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Thanks guys for your contribution, especially ALOUE.No worries i take everything into consideration, when I have to take the decision.
With my calculation I end up with 40000 Euro after taxes, plus sector pay, that must be between 18000 and 48000 Euro (min to max).
Health care i can keep in Switzerland aswell as LOL (70,-Euro p month).
1.Can anybody please tell me wether you can say OUT OF EXPERIENCE, that you get Irish tax back, because you dont live there, or spend more than 183 days out of country.
2.Really no taxes from my side on sector Pay?
3.Average sector pay in Bergamo Pisa Rom Frankfurt?
4.Do you get the 29 days of holidays in 6 blocks of five, or do they give you everything like in January ( low production)?
Appreciate your help
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Thin Albert
With my calculation I end up with 40000 Euro after taxes, plus sector pay, that must be between 18000 and 48000 Euro (min to max).
Health care i can keep in Switzerland aswell as LOL (70,-Euro p month).
1.Can anybody please tell me wether you can say OUT OF EXPERIENCE, that you get Irish tax back, because you dont live there, or spend more than 183 days out of country.
2.Really no taxes from my side on sector Pay?
3.Average sector pay in Bergamo Pisa Rom Frankfurt?
4.Do you get the 29 days of holidays in 6 blocks of five, or do they give you everything like in January ( low production)?
Appreciate your help
Cheerio
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Hi TA,
Actually the tax situation here in ireland is slightly better than has been outlined.
For a married person the first €41,000 of taxable income is charged @ 20%.
The remainder is charged @ 42%. However you would also be entitled to basic tax credits of €4750.
Social insurance (PRSI) is also payable @ 6% up to €46,000 and 2% on the remainder.
However, if you live outside the country for more than 183 days then you are not liable to Irish income tax.
For details of tax rates and allowences in Ireland see the following Govenment information site : www.revenue.ie
Check out the " Moving to Ireland tax guide" page for non resident info.
Regards
Willby
Actually the tax situation here in ireland is slightly better than has been outlined.
For a married person the first €41,000 of taxable income is charged @ 20%.
The remainder is charged @ 42%. However you would also be entitled to basic tax credits of €4750.
Social insurance (PRSI) is also payable @ 6% up to €46,000 and 2% on the remainder.
However, if you live outside the country for more than 183 days then you are not liable to Irish income tax.
For details of tax rates and allowences in Ireland see the following Govenment information site : www.revenue.ie
Check out the " Moving to Ireland tax guide" page for non resident info.
Regards
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TA can you tell us what Ryanair told you about all of this? I mean, did they not explain all of this to you in Cologne? By the way, there is a big row running at the moment over taking leave.... turns out that the way in which the pilots think they can take leave and Ryanair think about it are very different. Guess who is losing out? Again, what did Ryanair tell you?
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Willby,thank you very much that helps a lot, and it doesnt sound to bad if i get back taxes!!
Aloue, well they told us basically 65300 basic plus 48000 sector which is quite high calculated, isnt it? FR is paying taxes on our sector pay. In Stanstead the salary is little higher due to higher costs of living.
29 days leave you can take them in blocks or single, max twice 5 day blocks together once a year.
expect to be within 12-24 month at the base you wish.
No food no drinks you pay 200 Pound for uniform LPC and OPC and Medical in Off days.
you get basic salary during training sector pay after beeing released on the line.
cheerio TA
Aloue, well they told us basically 65300 basic plus 48000 sector which is quite high calculated, isnt it? FR is paying taxes on our sector pay. In Stanstead the salary is little higher due to higher costs of living.
29 days leave you can take them in blocks or single, max twice 5 day blocks together once a year.
expect to be within 12-24 month at the base you wish.
No food no drinks you pay 200 Pound for uniform LPC and OPC and Medical in Off days.
you get basic salary during training sector pay after beeing released on the line.
cheerio TA
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I am thinking about working for Ryanair this year. Does any one have any useful information about working at Ryan? I read their Q&A but I would like to heard from some one.
Thank you.
Thank you.