Ryanair / other Low cost Turnover
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Ryanair / other Low cost Turnover
I am curious to what Ryanair annual turnover is for pilots ie. How many leave each year and how many are hired?
Also would be grateful to know this for other low cost airline like easy jet
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Also would be grateful to know this for other low cost airline like easy jet
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A little out of date, but official figures for Easyjet from March were 10% turn over for pilots and 23% for cabin crew. Both figures were on target at the time of briefing, and recruiting was not a problem! I think the clowns in Easyland have revised their planning figures somewhat in recent months though!
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Not sure what the figures are for FR but stories of people leaving en masse are greatly exaggerated if you ask me. I don't know too many who have left / are leaving from my base or any other. Most of those who go do so for long haul. I haven't heard of anyone jumping ship to join Ezy for example.
Incidentally, did you spot that FR are now full for FOs until next year? There are only a few places left for captains too. Apparently they've no problem attracting people with the 5-4.
Incidentally, did you spot that FR are now full for FOs until next year? There are only a few places left for captains too. Apparently they've no problem attracting people with the 5-4.
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I heard this week that 'a number' of FR pilots are coming to easyJet on the 737 fleet. I am not sure of the details but my source has been right thus far.
I also met our Chief Exec, Andy Harrison, in person this week at Gatwick. He was, as always, extremely pleasant and his appearance at 0600 in the crew room to chat to anyone and everyone he saw was both impressive and very welcome. He worked his way round all the briefing tables chatting to all and sundry and took hassle from both pilots and cabin crew alike! In the past he has been accompanied by his flight ops lackies who were there to act as 'babel fish' if any criticisms were issued. He was here on his own this time and to my mind did extremely well. He is increasingly a popular figure among the crews and is well thought of. In the course of discussions he was very open about the failings of the last year in terms of not starting mass recruiting until it was too late. He talked of pilot turnover being around 10%, but I can't remember what he said for cabin crew. He also fully accepted that increasing pilot retention through improved terms and conditions is the way to go and makes good business sense. My own view is that he has been a breath of fresh air, and I for one feel that he has delivered on his promises.
EasyJet is not perfect, but it is a whole lot better than most airlines and many times better than Ryanair to work for. That is not to knock the folk who are working there, but if you have a choice right now then you have no choice.
I also met our Chief Exec, Andy Harrison, in person this week at Gatwick. He was, as always, extremely pleasant and his appearance at 0600 in the crew room to chat to anyone and everyone he saw was both impressive and very welcome. He worked his way round all the briefing tables chatting to all and sundry and took hassle from both pilots and cabin crew alike! In the past he has been accompanied by his flight ops lackies who were there to act as 'babel fish' if any criticisms were issued. He was here on his own this time and to my mind did extremely well. He is increasingly a popular figure among the crews and is well thought of. In the course of discussions he was very open about the failings of the last year in terms of not starting mass recruiting until it was too late. He talked of pilot turnover being around 10%, but I can't remember what he said for cabin crew. He also fully accepted that increasing pilot retention through improved terms and conditions is the way to go and makes good business sense. My own view is that he has been a breath of fresh air, and I for one feel that he has delivered on his promises.
EasyJet is not perfect, but it is a whole lot better than most airlines and many times better than Ryanair to work for. That is not to knock the folk who are working there, but if you have a choice right now then you have no choice.
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Which makes it all the more gaulling, reading in an aviation newspaper in STN a few months ago, the old tos#$r RW was inaugerated into the Airline Managers' Hall of Fame for services rendered. Good God almighty. What's next; MOL for Pope?
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Mr.Norman Stanley Fletcher i beg to differ.I have worked for both Ryanair and Easyjet and i have to say i much prefer working at ryanair.
The pay is better there is more roster stability,no constant changes and taxi journeys like at easy,much better for those who commute!
I have also found the crew to be a very diverse interesting mix of people with a much higher staff morale,Dub pilots aside of course!
Its by no means perfect,but it is low cost,although personally i'm much happy here than at easy
The pay is better there is more roster stability,no constant changes and taxi journeys like at easy,much better for those who commute!
I have also found the crew to be a very diverse interesting mix of people with a much higher staff morale,Dub pilots aside of course!
Its by no means perfect,but it is low cost,although personally i'm much happy here than at easy
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Unfortunately there are still a bunch of underachieving sycophantic middle "managers" at easy, hence the abomination of a 737 with "Ray Webster" grafitti plastered over the front.
AH is clearly what this Company has needed for a long time, but it'll take a while for him to right the wrongs of the past 10 years of Webster's (and more recently) Winter's greed and self-interest.
AH is clearly what this Company has needed for a long time, but it'll take a while for him to right the wrongs of the past 10 years of Webster's (and more recently) Winter's greed and self-interest.
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NSF,
What exactly is so impressive about being in a crewroom at 6 in the morning.
And how can you extrapolate the future of the company from this single act and some meaningless crap talk about T&Cs.
Have you ever worked for Ryanair?-what is better about easyJet then?
What exactly is so impressive about being in a crewroom at 6 in the morning.
And how can you extrapolate the future of the company from this single act and some meaningless crap talk about T&Cs.
Have you ever worked for Ryanair?-what is better about easyJet then?
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Nice Touch - if you cannot see the difference between a CEO like AH who is roaming round pressing the flesh with his pilots and cabin crew early in the morning and a CEO like MOL who openly despises the lot of them, then you are best suited to life in Ryanair.
The 'meaningless crap talk' about T&Cs you alluded to is there in any contract for anyone to read about. You may find that most people are actually quite interested in the fine detail and like to know beforehand what they are actually signing up to. The great thing about easyJet contracts is that every pilot knows what everyone else's says - by all accounts a luxury not on offer to our colleagues at Ryanair.
And by the way, no I have not worked for Ryanair - for which I am extremely grateful. Nor have I worked for Emirates, Etihad, Royal Brunei, British Airways, BMI, Monarch or a whole host of other airlines. Nonetheless, I have friends who work for many of them and take the time to research each one as the need arises. Therefore I am happy to form an educated opinion once I know the facts. No doubt you too have a view, albeit probably not very well informed if most of your posts are anything to go by. The truth is out there mate - just take the time to do some research rather than spit forth ill-mannered posts all the time. You might just learn something.
Regarding salaries, it is extremely difficult to make accurate comparisons, but my latest calcs indicate that easyJet is for the first time better paid than Ryanair overall. I will not bore you with the details but once again you can go on our website and find the deal - there is nothing hidden and what you see is what you get.
The 'meaningless crap talk' about T&Cs you alluded to is there in any contract for anyone to read about. You may find that most people are actually quite interested in the fine detail and like to know beforehand what they are actually signing up to. The great thing about easyJet contracts is that every pilot knows what everyone else's says - by all accounts a luxury not on offer to our colleagues at Ryanair.
And by the way, no I have not worked for Ryanair - for which I am extremely grateful. Nor have I worked for Emirates, Etihad, Royal Brunei, British Airways, BMI, Monarch or a whole host of other airlines. Nonetheless, I have friends who work for many of them and take the time to research each one as the need arises. Therefore I am happy to form an educated opinion once I know the facts. No doubt you too have a view, albeit probably not very well informed if most of your posts are anything to go by. The truth is out there mate - just take the time to do some research rather than spit forth ill-mannered posts all the time. You might just learn something.
Regarding salaries, it is extremely difficult to make accurate comparisons, but my latest calcs indicate that easyJet is for the first time better paid than Ryanair overall. I will not bore you with the details but once again you can go on our website and find the deal - there is nothing hidden and what you see is what you get.
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NSF,
Lets try again. What exactly, improvements wise, has resulted from AH early morning "flesh squeezing". Whilst I don't doubt that his intention is to improve life-there is a long way to go from the above to an improvement-as a share holder I think you should have a pay cut and work harder and stop wasting money on the bloody airbus.
Now to you. Two shags does not make you Casanova. Your lack of airline experience shows and,if you are a pilot, what a pain in the ar$e you must be. People like you set T&Cs BACK. I bet when asked you flirt around the point of whats wrong-change your colours to suit the company-and NEVER convey the true feelings of your friends.
Your pontification of Ryanair makes me sick-not because I love Leo-BUT you just don"t know what you are talking about-BECAUSE you have not worked for them. So less of the "educated" and "ill informed" from you please.
If your happy then good-but stay away from subjects over your head and concentrate on butt kissing-which is the only way to get on in easy.
Good luck I remain a Nice Touch
Lets try again. What exactly, improvements wise, has resulted from AH early morning "flesh squeezing". Whilst I don't doubt that his intention is to improve life-there is a long way to go from the above to an improvement-as a share holder I think you should have a pay cut and work harder and stop wasting money on the bloody airbus.
Now to you. Two shags does not make you Casanova. Your lack of airline experience shows and,if you are a pilot, what a pain in the ar$e you must be. People like you set T&Cs BACK. I bet when asked you flirt around the point of whats wrong-change your colours to suit the company-and NEVER convey the true feelings of your friends.
Your pontification of Ryanair makes me sick-not because I love Leo-BUT you just don"t know what you are talking about-BECAUSE you have not worked for them. So less of the "educated" and "ill informed" from you please.
If your happy then good-but stay away from subjects over your head and concentrate on butt kissing-which is the only way to get on in easy.
Good luck I remain a Nice Touch
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Nice Touch,
Perhaps you should think twice before posting. I honestly don't know why you would think NSF lacks airline experience, but perhaps you are the one that is inexperienced (at least on pprune).
I suggest you read all the other posts by NSF, and you will soon realise the silliness of your comments.
Perhaps you should think twice before posting. I honestly don't know why you would think NSF lacks airline experience, but perhaps you are the one that is inexperienced (at least on pprune).
I suggest you read all the other posts by NSF, and you will soon realise the silliness of your comments.
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ZB,
Why should I think twice before asking a reasonable question-perhaps you would like to answer-perhaps you know what you are talking about.
There is nothing silly,ill-informed or otherwise about my experience at easyJet-I KNOW what I am talking about and I saw the the airline taking shape long before NSF was involved.
I do not retract from any comment made-why the blood hell should I-NSF sets out his stall on the ezy/fr issues and is just wrong. I am not here to "big up" ryan-but I will shoot down that sycophantic thread that exists in easy of people that have been "oranged". I really do wish you could come to a FR base for a month-you would see what I mean. As for NSF experience-I could not care less-hours in the air never equated to ability or contributed to foresight or intelligence. Just because my responses are robust and personal-so what-I admit to an element of goading-it irresistible when a person as pompous as NSF "presides" over threads.
on a conciliatory note I do hope that AH works out-but the initials don't bode well!
Why should I think twice before asking a reasonable question-perhaps you would like to answer-perhaps you know what you are talking about.
There is nothing silly,ill-informed or otherwise about my experience at easyJet-I KNOW what I am talking about and I saw the the airline taking shape long before NSF was involved.
I do not retract from any comment made-why the blood hell should I-NSF sets out his stall on the ezy/fr issues and is just wrong. I am not here to "big up" ryan-but I will shoot down that sycophantic thread that exists in easy of people that have been "oranged". I really do wish you could come to a FR base for a month-you would see what I mean. As for NSF experience-I could not care less-hours in the air never equated to ability or contributed to foresight or intelligence. Just because my responses are robust and personal-so what-I admit to an element of goading-it irresistible when a person as pompous as NSF "presides" over threads.
on a conciliatory note I do hope that AH works out-but the initials don't bode well!
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I've no idea who NSF is, apart from the fact that he's a LGW pilot, but I've always found his postings to be well-balanced, thought out and informative.
NT's postings on the other hand........
NT's postings on the other hand........
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NSF does not impress me at all.
Unlike both Nice Touch and myself he has NOT worked for both Ryanair and Easyjet so it's a bit insulting to say the least that he pontificates about how awful it is at FR.
NT can speak for himself but we are hardly new boys in the airline business. I have been flying Boeings since 1989. Easyjet provided me with my worst experience by far in terms of being constantly let down by the top management and rostering which can only be described as experimental!
Ryanair don't pretend to be nice but I'd much rather work for a competent bastard than a Blair-like bull****ting fool.
Unlike both Nice Touch and myself he has NOT worked for both Ryanair and Easyjet so it's a bit insulting to say the least that he pontificates about how awful it is at FR.
NT can speak for himself but we are hardly new boys in the airline business. I have been flying Boeings since 1989. Easyjet provided me with my worst experience by far in terms of being constantly let down by the top management and rostering which can only be described as experimental!
Ryanair don't pretend to be nice but I'd much rather work for a competent bastard than a Blair-like bull****ting fool.
Horses for courses me thinks..Ive worked for both, RYR as far as I'm concerned is a place to be avoided.
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Being robust is one thing, being an arse however speaks volumes about your own personal attitudes towards those who choose to contribute in an open fashion.
Just because you don't like the "tone" of a reply, you seem to think its ok to goad someone as you put it. The ability to articulate an argument without resorting to personal slights shows far more "foresight or intelligence" than a few cheap shots ever will, in that much your responses match your rhetoric, I'd suggest you are seriously deficient in both
NICE TOUCH
Being robust is one thing, being an arse however speaks volumes about your own personal attitudes towards those who choose to contribute in an open fashion.
Just because you don't like the "tone" of a reply, you seem to think its ok to goad someone as you put it. The ability to articulate an argument without resorting to personal slights shows far more "foresight or intelligence" than a few cheap shots ever will, in that much your responses match your rhetoric, I'd suggest you are seriously deficient in both
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I have both met pilots who have worked for both EZY and RYR and also read their comments here on pprune from time to time.
It strikes me that one of the sources of misunderstanding / differences in opinions about the two companies is that while there is one EZY, there are many RYR's. You could meet three RYR pilots in the morning and discover truthfull accounts of their pay, conditions and experiences that differ radically. That's because RYR conditions and pay DO differ considerably.
However, anybody in RYR who is ACTUALLY doing as well overall as pilots in EZY (which is different from thinking it) is very definitely in a minority - certainly as regards pay. As for the famous 5-4, let's wait and see how it looks when the various sub-clauses are invoked and the leave situation clarifies itself.
It strikes me that one of the sources of misunderstanding / differences in opinions about the two companies is that while there is one EZY, there are many RYR's. You could meet three RYR pilots in the morning and discover truthfull accounts of their pay, conditions and experiences that differ radically. That's because RYR conditions and pay DO differ considerably.
However, anybody in RYR who is ACTUALLY doing as well overall as pilots in EZY (which is different from thinking it) is very definitely in a minority - certainly as regards pay. As for the famous 5-4, let's wait and see how it looks when the various sub-clauses are invoked and the leave situation clarifies itself.
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Originally Posted by ZBMAN
Nice Touch,
Perhaps you should think twice before posting. I honestly don't know why you would think NSF lacks airline experience, but perhaps you are the one that is inexperienced (at least on pprune).
I suggest you read all the other posts by NSF, and you will soon realise the silliness of your comments.
Perhaps you should think twice before posting. I honestly don't know why you would think NSF lacks airline experience, but perhaps you are the one that is inexperienced (at least on pprune).
I suggest you read all the other posts by NSF, and you will soon realise the silliness of your comments.
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