bmi (industrial action vote)

[theresalwaysone]

Jus been reading these posts and I understand that Captain's are not GODS in BMI, what a pisser Ive been under a serious miss illusion(or is that a Russian aircraft)) for a number of years and now a find out I am not getting a pay rise or the pension I expected I am definitely going on strike now, no but hang on Ive just read that letter from GL that came this morning seems like BALPA, (Budget Airline Pilots Union) are the culprits and are refusing to talk to mananagement, the Barstewards! So its all OK now lads Oh but hang on GL forgot to mention the pension talks, no looks like he forgot to say that BMI forgot to run the new pension plan past BALPA, well its an easy mistake to make isnt it as the deficit was only indentified in May but every other company new about 5 years ago.

Christ and these are the people running an airline!

regards to all Ex-God

[gmidc]

Originally Posted by Dr. Spin

Couldn't agree more!
On an aside, what thoughts does anyone within the company (besides pilots)have of today's memo to all staff by NT?
The bit about risking your overtime/shift pay was a cheap shot, but expected unfortunately. You can expect more of the same propaganda.
If you want the real story, talk to the pilots at work and then decide.

Well don't know if anyone else saw the other bit of 'news' today, but more job losses have been announced......

[Count von Altibar]

Oh dear, the management seem to be starting the propaganda machine already judging the letter that dropped on the mat this morning. Get ready for the tales & spin of how honest & willing they've been recently to discuss things with our BALPA representitives. How nasty & unwilling the BALPA CC have been. Don't fall for it people, this is standard practice for any company facing looming industrial action. How come they're suddenly so willing to negotiate? Well the answer will be in the forthcoming ballot!

Regards, The Count

[lexxity]

Which department now GMIDC?

[Leezyjet]

Originally Posted by The Moo

The trouble with the bmi management is everyone is expendable pilots are no exception.
Its' always been the company way no matter what department you work in.
Esp with the pilots , "You dont like it leave. Promote rhs to lhs and get a new cheap oxford cadet into the rhs." And there is always a long queue of willing victims.

Thats exactly why I left. I was sick of being told by management, "if you don't like it, then leave. There is a queue of people at Tescos that would gladly take your job". Eventually I did. Went elsewhere for a £5k payrise for doing less work, and better benefits too !!.

What they fail to realise is that those people at Tesco's are actually being paid MORE than what we were getting on the ground, without all the hassle of dealing with Mr Jumped Up Businessman who had just missed his flight.

There are some great people working at Bmi, and it amazes me how the company has survived this long, as it is run purely on good will in ALL areas.

I've not looked back since I left.

[flyingfrog]

Bye Bye Baby

Originally Posted by lexxity

Which department now GMIDC?

Ground Ops, due to the new crewing system that has been installed it's been decided that baby should support itself rather than relying on Big Bro.

17 new positions at baby, 23 to go from bmi = 6 redundancies.

baby leaving home will allow ops to concerntrate more on mainline and LH.

Makes you wonder, who's next!

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Flying Frog

I understand that the new Crewing system is not yet doing as BMI want, auto roster for one. How anyone would believe it would auto roster from day 1 i dont know

[Looker]

2 lovely pieces of propaganda from TB and CR via e-mail,

apparently having done the round of crew rooms they are able to conclude that;

imposing the 2.4% pay rise this year was doing us a favour as it got the money in our hand that much earlier.

the problems with the IR over sector pay is only costing us 36p a day

the FOs should not think about the future, you're lucky to be here at all

we're only doing this out of spite, to give the management a bloody nose

We are doing this because you chose to ignore our warnings and your blunder has cost us £2000, we're doing this because you think it is acceptable to unilaterally change our terms and conditions, we're doing this because we're fed up of being treated as an irrelevance

[keepitlit]

No roster system would work no matter how good it,there isnt enough crew for it to do its job properly
Now the crewing line now has an option to sell days off!

Rgds


K.I.L.

[captbirdseye]

K.I.L.
I presume you mean that the willing to sell line is a good thing to avoid the unnecesary calls to crew who do not want to be bothered on days off.

[Count von Altibar]

Nobody should be selling days off at this time as the pilots at the bmi group are in official dispute with the company. Anyone who does is letting down their colleagues hugely and it doesn't go unnoticed as to who the culprits are. I just received an excellent letter today via email from Jim McAuslan. Hopefully the bmi senior management will realize the severity of their current stance. A strong 'YES' vote is now a necessity to take this forward and send a message to Donnington Hall. The pilots demands are not unreasonable and NT and friends should take note...

[Climb Limited]

I remember the Company's refusal to even meet with Big Jim (BALPA General Sec) despite his drive up to the Hall in 05. What goes around comes around - I say this in a non-spiteful way. When will NT and the others realise that the most valuable (and expensive) resource in an airline which after all is a SERVICE industry are the people that work for it. STOP abusing, start managing, demonstrate some leadership and get the factory floor to work for and not in spite of. Non of this is rocket science. Why not build in a fixed rate pay-rise say for a period of 3 years and then build that into the Long Term costings? This annual agro would just go away and then the airline could concentrate on seeing further into the future than lunch-time.

[captbirdseye]

Anyone who does is letting down their colleagues hugely and it doesn't go unnoticed as to who the culprits are

Now Now Count would that be bullying tactics.
After reading all the previous drivvle that some of the pilots have to say I thought you were against that kind of behaviour.
Or is it "do as we say not as we do".

[AIMS2please]

Latest Propaganda Today

I would much appreciate those of you who do not support the withdrawal of labour from bmi regional letting us know as soon as possible in order that we can plan for the strike and at least try to limit the disruption to our very hard won customers.

Very best regards,
Bill.

Bill Hanton
Flight Operations Director
Bmi regional.

Would all idiots please take one step forward.

[GreatCircle]

Best of luck from the Great White North to BMI staff who are suffering with clueless management.

We'd heard over here on the Pond's west-side about the infamous insulting of the BALPA rep, being turned away at Donington. A telling indictment on management disregard for the situation brewing in front of their eyes.

I heard a story, from a BMI Driver, in the early 90s, when the F100s were just introduced, Bishop stopped a meeting of his management to watch it climb away...

Tells me one of 2 things - Bishop is either an arrogant nutjob, or he had a passion for aviation which he has managed to lose, and piss off customers and staff alike,whilst stuffing his ample pockets full of fresh bank notes.

Tragic. What a shift from award-winning sparkling diamond service to fake shimmering diamante, no fault of those on the front-lines, needless to say.

[Dr. Spin]

Originally Posted by GreatCircle

What a shift from award-winning sparkling diamond service to fake shimmering diamante.

The 'New Business Model' (NBM) has been universally dubbed as 'Nigel's Big Mistake' within the company. It was an ill-conceived idea at a time when knee jerk reactions were the order of the day. An initial improvement in the bottom line was more as a result of reduced overheads than increased revenue. But penny-pinching and loosing track of the big picture is a recurring theme these days, or is it just fattening up the calf to be sold off to the highest bidder?

A vast amount of business traffic have voted with their feet as a result, but BA aren't complaining boasting something like a 15% improvement in that department!

It is usually ill advised to look backwards rather the forwards, but only now can we see how good the 'Diamond Service' really was, and I for one really miss that scone and clotted cream!

[Yellow Sun]

Selling Days Off

Nobody should be selling days off at this time as the pilots at the bmi group are in official dispute with the company. Anyone who does is letting down their colleagues hugely and it doesn't go unnoticed as to who the culprits are.

OK Count, I'll go along with you in principle, but I do have sympathy with those who feel a bit vulnerable at present and see selling as an opportunity to put a bit more of the company's money in their pocket in case they find their pay packets reduced by their support for industrial action. There's still the mortgage to pay and new shoes to buy for the kids. There are of course the habitual sellers, it's their right to sell after all, but they may wish to consider whether their actions are warranted in the present circumstances.

YS

[Dr. Spin]

Originally Posted by Yellow Sun

There are of course the habitual sellers, it's their right to sell after all, but they may wish to consider whether their actions are warranted in the present circumstances.
YS

I'm sure that the 'habitual sellers' have never realised either that the are doing people out of jobs, commands and a more stable roster due to incorrect crewing ratios!

If you have to rely on selling days to make ends meet then it really is a sorry state of affairs!

[Max Angle]

I'm sure that the 'habitual sellers' have never realised either that the are doing people out of jobs, commands and a more stable roster due to incorrect crewing ratios!

Actually I think most of the habitual sellers realise it only too well and don't give a monkeys. The way things are at the moment aircraft would be parked up but for people selling days and whole weeks of leave, as you say it's a sorry state for a company to be in caused by sorry management.

[keepitlit]

Captainbordseye,
My statement was only to point that yet again the Company has tried to have magic performed from another rostering system (Number 3) only to find that it doesn’t work unless they have enough crew to start with.
Its been a while since I think they’ve done anything good!

Rgds

K.I.L.