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Could have told you so. . .
. . so good to see that BACon is being run in the same fashion by a similar bunch of buffoons who ran Manx aka British Regional. Where do they find these morons? 
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. . so good to see that BACon is being run in the same fashion by a similar bunch of buffoons who ran Manx aka British Regional. Where do they find these morons?
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Totally agree Wacky. The little taster from our internal web site shows exactlywhat we have to put up with. Here is PH at his best, a bully who expects us to believe him because HE says so.....and you'd better watch out because he is going to put a note on your file........
And this a BA company for Chrissake!!
The real culprit apart from some faceless idiots in BA who couldnt run a corner shop is our ChiefExecutive David Evans.
The buck stops with him and every single significant change of direction (about 16) in the last five years lead by him has taken the company one step closer to the brink.
The man is a total disaster who only knows how to lead failure.
What is wrong with his bosses in BA not to have rewarded him with the boot a long time ago????
And this a BA company for Chrissake!!
The real culprit apart from some faceless idiots in BA who couldnt run a corner shop is our ChiefExecutive David Evans.
The buck stops with him and every single significant change of direction (about 16) in the last five years lead by him has taken the company one step closer to the brink.
The man is a total disaster who only knows how to lead failure.
What is wrong with his bosses in BA not to have rewarded him with the boot a long time ago????
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What is wrong with his bosses in BA not to have rewarded him with the boot a long time ago????
He has presided over the ousting of 100's / virtually all, mainline personnel from the regions. Installing in their place a workforce with much lower staff costs. (Including redundancy??) - Sorry, but it's probably true!
But of course the accountants are still able to show a loss! Nice achievement!
I guess we are now embarked upon the final phase.
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.......So Ba Connect was the sprat to catch the mackrel then?
ie. to obliterate expensive BA in the regions and, in the process, destroy itself as it shrank taking with it Regional BA into oblivion.
That is an attractive theory. It would require cunning, perceptive and extremely adept management.
I favour the Cockup rather than conspiracy theory. What evidence is there that these guys could organise a drinking session in a brewery let alone anything as devilishly cunning as that???
ie. to obliterate expensive BA in the regions and, in the process, destroy itself as it shrank taking with it Regional BA into oblivion.
That is an attractive theory. It would require cunning, perceptive and extremely adept management.
I favour the Cockup rather than conspiracy theory. What evidence is there that these guys could organise a drinking session in a brewery let alone anything as devilishly cunning as that???
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Hutchings on Intercom?
I tend to agree - they're simply not clever enough. I think it would be most amusing to copy and paste a bit more Intercom material on here, particularly Hutchings responses. Any takers?
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I'm not entirely sure the complicity of BACON 'management' is actually required. They just have to be too stupid to see the 'big picture'!
The closure of further bases, certainly make it a much tidier package for disposal.
Purely as an aside, is there some suggestion they could come to London, or are they tied to the fortunes of BACON?
The closure of further bases, certainly make it a much tidier package for disposal.
Purely as an aside, is there some suggestion they could come to London, or are they tied to the fortunes of BACON?
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The Future.
1. Closure of INV.
2. Closure of IOM.
3. Closure of Bristol.
4. Embraers handed back as leases expire - redundancies start.
5. RJ100s start to be returned.
6. Redundancies increase, as do escapees from the sinking ship.
7. Blurring of mainline and BACON routes.
8. More leavers and redundancies.
9. Integration of LCY routes onto A318 coincides with layoff of Dash 8.
10. Eventual rump of pilot workforce, only those with RJ ratings (ie a "heavy" jet of sorts) gets taken into a changed mainline, where all LGW and shorthaul is slowly converted to BACON Ts and Cs. Naturally, existing mainline contracts are honoured, except for CC.
11. - Evans, Witts and Hutchings achieve extraordinary KPI bonuses, for achieving the virtual downsizing and cost-de-escalation of BAR.
2. Closure of IOM.
3. Closure of Bristol.
4. Embraers handed back as leases expire - redundancies start.
5. RJ100s start to be returned.
6. Redundancies increase, as do escapees from the sinking ship.
7. Blurring of mainline and BACON routes.
8. More leavers and redundancies.
9. Integration of LCY routes onto A318 coincides with layoff of Dash 8.
10. Eventual rump of pilot workforce, only those with RJ ratings (ie a "heavy" jet of sorts) gets taken into a changed mainline, where all LGW and shorthaul is slowly converted to BACON Ts and Cs. Naturally, existing mainline contracts are honoured, except for CC.
11. - Evans, Witts and Hutchings achieve extraordinary KPI bonuses, for achieving the virtual downsizing and cost-de-escalation of BAR.
Probably about 90% right jumbo. Wouldn't be urprised if a batch of 145's or D8s get hived off to one of the more successful regional arlines such as Eastern or ASW along the way. Maybe Scotair will buy what's left.
Strange how with all this going on, DE CP and PH were recently spotted out drinking and generally bonding with some cadet pilots from the school in Jerez. What's that all about? Free night out on the company card? Trying to beat DLF and McT's record bills???
Very perculiar since the majority of the staff wouldn't even recognise their LT, never mind remember being bought a drink by them.
I believe WW was also entertaining cadets today too.
Strange how with all this going on, DE CP and PH were recently spotted out drinking and generally bonding with some cadet pilots from the school in Jerez. What's that all about? Free night out on the company card? Trying to beat DLF and McT's record bills???
Very perculiar since the majority of the staff wouldn't even recognise their LT, never mind remember being bought a drink by them.
I believe WW was also entertaining cadets today too.
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The glass is 3/4 empty.
With ref Jumbo and Biddedout, I was told today that Eastern have already been sniffing around, allegedly for all the Dash 8 and most of the Emb 145s as well. I wouldn't have thought they would have had the money personally, but then if you recall, they were paid some 20 - 30 million quid to take our J41s, so anything is possible. (Remember too that it cost BA more to ground our ATPs than it would have done to continue running them - all a deliberate downsizing exercise). The downsizing prior to integration idea makes a lot of sense when you think about it, WW will probably want to hang onto anything which is guaranteed profit AND will work with a standard mainline a/c, like a babybus. Think LCY, and think what those routes will be worth as the Olympics gear up!!!! In the meantime, all the 'lossmaking' routes and bases are canned, one at a time, people slowly leave, the redundancy bill reduces and the costs reduce month on month.
Eventually, only some of the RJ and 146 guys are left, and don't forget they have already been offered mainline status once because of scope, so a very small integration may be possible. Personally though, I would still expect no integration, there's no benefit to BA, and let's face it, they don't do anything unless forced by a strike action or unless it makes kpi and profit.
What's all this about a day of protest then?
Eventually, only some of the RJ and 146 guys are left, and don't forget they have already been offered mainline status once because of scope, so a very small integration may be possible. Personally though, I would still expect no integration, there's no benefit to BA, and let's face it, they don't do anything unless forced by a strike action or unless it makes kpi and profit. What's all this about a day of protest then?
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Yes, apparently MAN engineers say that YX is going back (somewhere) in the next few months (it has the most expensive lease). Another rumour is that the Dash 8 BHD night stop will cease soon as well.
I guess they have a spare aircraft from SOU (sorry to hear that news guys) that will soon be based in MAN
why is it that BACON keeps getting smaller when all other airlines are expanding in a MASSIVE way
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I guess they have a spare aircraft from SOU (sorry to hear that news guys) that will soon be based in MAN
why is it that BACON keeps getting smaller when all other airlines are expanding in a MASSIVE way
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why is it that BACON keeps getting smaller when all other airlines are expanding
i) simplify the comapny
ii) sell what remains to the management
The result:
BA is no longer in the regions and can then concentrate on LHR Terminal 5.
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Mercenary Ali & Wacky
. . so good to see that BACon is being run in the same fashion by a similar bunch of buffoons who ran Manx aka British Regional. Where do they find these morons? from Ali.
These are the buffoons who used to to run Manx/BRAL as middle management - they have since had any brain cells they might have possessed removed by BA managers seconded to BACX (people such as McL and TDLF) - and are now far worse than the original product. Backed by HR dumbos on mainline golden handshakes and headed up by Evans (enough said). From wacky.
Just for the record, having been with the Company in its various forms since '85, I think it needs pointing out that actually the original MANX management grew a successful Company from a SD 360 and Twin Otter Operation, into a jet operation with over 50 aircraft, record profits year on year, largely content (as far as flight crew ever are!) staff which was then floated on the Stock Market for tens of Millions. The stock market is not emotional, they believed there was massive profit potential, and the Company, under Terry and Norman, delivered. Yes, there were personality clashes, but most of us felt proud and secure to be working for the outfit. One might almost suggest that presumably the profile, success and assets of the Company (LHR slots for one) were what persuaded BA to purchase us. Since then, it's been downhill all the way Norman's biggest mistake was overpromoting that idiot Hutchings, (I remember when he joined, chopped by the RAF - that should tell you something). Phelan not much better, and Witts having been 'let go' by Air UK amongst others. I agree totally with nearly everything that has been said on this thread, let's just remember that before BA got involved, we were a hugely successful operation, with some of the best pay, conditions and morale in the Regional business. Now look at us!
There is not a single, no, NOT A SINGLE MANAGER, at executive level, (ie above the FMs) who commands any sort of respect, or who has achieved ANYTHING except for cut after cut after cut. Profit...PMSL, they just don't have the experience, the ability, the acumen, - not to mention the permission of the waterworld beanies who probably will never let us post a profit even if we somehow made one. I've too long in to try to go elsewhere, it's always been the pension which has kept me here, but they've managed to screw that up as well. The future - who knows? If you're young enough, there is NO reason to stay. The awful thing is that they know this, and positively encourage senior people to leave. Losing one Chief Fleet Trainer is careless, losing two..well, how long before the third goes? I note our DW is not being replaced.
Nuff said, all one can do is try and keep smiling and hope for the best.
These are the buffoons who used to to run Manx/BRAL as middle management - they have since had any brain cells they might have possessed removed by BA managers seconded to BACX (people such as McL and TDLF) - and are now far worse than the original product. Backed by HR dumbos on mainline golden handshakes and headed up by Evans (enough said). From wacky.
Just for the record, having been with the Company in its various forms since '85, I think it needs pointing out that actually the original MANX management grew a successful Company from a SD 360 and Twin Otter Operation, into a jet operation with over 50 aircraft, record profits year on year, largely content (as far as flight crew ever are!) staff which was then floated on the Stock Market for tens of Millions. The stock market is not emotional, they believed there was massive profit potential, and the Company, under Terry and Norman, delivered. Yes, there were personality clashes, but most of us felt proud and secure to be working for the outfit. One might almost suggest that presumably the profile, success and assets of the Company (LHR slots for one) were what persuaded BA to purchase us. Since then, it's been downhill all the way Norman's biggest mistake was overpromoting that idiot Hutchings, (I remember when he joined, chopped by the RAF - that should tell you something). Phelan not much better, and Witts having been 'let go' by Air UK amongst others. I agree totally with nearly everything that has been said on this thread, let's just remember that before BA got involved, we were a hugely successful operation, with some of the best pay, conditions and morale in the Regional business. Now look at us!
There is not a single, no, NOT A SINGLE MANAGER, at executive level, (ie above the FMs) who commands any sort of respect, or who has achieved ANYTHING except for cut after cut after cut. Profit...PMSL, they just don't have the experience, the ability, the acumen, - not to mention the permission of the waterworld beanies who probably will never let us post a profit even if we somehow made one. I've too long in to try to go elsewhere, it's always been the pension which has kept me here, but they've managed to screw that up as well. The future - who knows? If you're young enough, there is NO reason to stay. The awful thing is that they know this, and positively encourage senior people to leave. Losing one Chief Fleet Trainer is careless, losing two..well, how long before the third goes? I note our DW is not being replaced. Nuff said, all one can do is try and keep smiling and hope for the best.
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So sorry to see the state the company has been reduced to. Left three years back, and never a single regret. Why do you all stay, it can't just be for the pension, the lifestyle is apparently not what it was, and you all hate the managers. The managers probably all hate you, and the self-destruction continues, it doesn't sound like anyone is getting much out of it. There's a big hiring market out here guys, and most of it is far far better than BACON. Go figure.
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I owe quite a lot to Norman and Terry, they gave me my first break some time ago. I agree with your sentiments regarding the Company - then and now.
Strangely, I recently bumped in to Norman on his return from a holiday and in our 20 minute chat about the "state of the nation", he was quite upset about the direction and current state of the Company and was "reflective" about his choice of certain Management pilots.
Anyway, he looked really well and I told him he was certainly better off out of it!!
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I owe quite a lot to Norman and Terry, they gave me my first break some time ago. I agree with your sentiments regarding the Company - then and now.
Strangely, I recently bumped in to Norman on his return from a holiday and in our 20 minute chat about the "state of the nation", he was quite upset about the direction and current state of the Company and was "reflective" about his choice of certain Management pilots.
Anyway, he looked really well and I told him he was certainly better off out of it!!
Q.