Oh No! not another announcement at BA CON
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Any news on the Management visit to SOU?
Get the feeling the boys and girls are being shafted as I speak! Presumably in time for the BIG announcement tomorrow that (management speak) to consolidate, shore up, simplify........blah blah blah the business we have decided to close SOU.
Rolling over and letting FlyBE have their pickings is not the answer. Get the feeling Management are scared of even the smallest fight. I remember the GMFO saying that they were not prepared to join a fight of attrition to see who bled to death first. Who says it is gonna be a bloodbath! I believe the loads were good out of SOU.
Who am I to doubt. I'm sure as usual it is another unprofitable base in the eyes of the people with THE BIG PICTURE and must go. FlyBE couldn't possibly make a go of it when we shut up shop and remove any competition from the base!
Get the feeling the boys and girls are being shafted as I speak! Presumably in time for the BIG announcement tomorrow that (management speak) to consolidate, shore up, simplify........blah blah blah the business we have decided to close SOU.
Rolling over and letting FlyBE have their pickings is not the answer. Get the feeling Management are scared of even the smallest fight. I remember the GMFO saying that they were not prepared to join a fight of attrition to see who bled to death first. Who says it is gonna be a bloodbath! I believe the loads were good out of SOU.
Who am I to doubt. I'm sure as usual it is another unprofitable base in the eyes of the people with THE BIG PICTURE and must go. FlyBE couldn't possibly make a go of it when we shut up shop and remove any competition from the base!
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Would this be the same GMFO who declared, when questions were asked by the troops at Manchester at the appearance of GB on their home turf a few years back, that GB were after 'the bucket and spade brigade' and would have no impact on operations at Manchester?
Southampton used to be a key base in the old empire, since sold down the river (the Test, I think) by this current bunch of buffoons.
Southampton used to be a key base in the old empire, since sold down the river (the Test, I think) by this current bunch of buffoons.
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Sorry to hear about SOU.
I would just like to offer my most sincere condolences to the guys and gals at SOU. I remember, (as has already been said) when it was the jewel in the crown, and so many old hands are still based there. They worked so hard, (I remember operating in and out) Cath W pretty well built the base with her bare hands, and so very many put so much effort into its success; I can hardly believe it has been sold down the river like this. I remember BALPA saying over and over during the last four years how important it was not to let Flybe get a foothold, how we should fight for the base, how the loads were slipping. But no, it clearly did not form part of the great BA plan (ha ha) and was allowed to die a death of 1000 cuts. Even then, Hutchings could not be @rsed to tell everyone together, he had to leak it to the engineers, who naturally informed everyone else. I almost wish I had still been part of BACON, and been able to listen in to what I'm sure was a fairly frank debate at SOU today. Tosser!!!!
These absolute management pygmies should be ashamed of themselves. Terry and Norman at least had business acumen, and recognised winners, which was what SOU was; that's how they built up a hugely profitable business, only to see it ruined, de-motivated and hacked about by biased accounting practices from Waterside. What a pity Norman took his eye off the ball and let Hutchings in! Hutchings - HAH!
Hutchings, Witts and Evans have just let Flybe walk in an open door, completely disgraceful.....but I think it will remove the competition SOU posed to LHR, which BA never liked.
I'm with that competition now, (and not ashamed of it, though I would rather the move had never been necessary) and I have to say it reminds me of BRAL/Manx in the good old days. Not everyone is happy, there's the usual grousing and grumbling, but at least I feel part of the team, not despised as an expensive component. Even our new Head of Training is a BACON escapee!!
What now? What will close next? Who would buy BACON when they could just wait for it to fall over, and then step into the routes. I have a fair slice of pension with BACON, and therefore an interest in its survival, please tell me there is hope......
These absolute management pygmies should be ashamed of themselves. Terry and Norman at least had business acumen, and recognised winners, which was what SOU was; that's how they built up a hugely profitable business, only to see it ruined, de-motivated and hacked about by biased accounting practices from Waterside. What a pity Norman took his eye off the ball and let Hutchings in! Hutchings - HAH!
Hutchings, Witts and Evans have just let Flybe walk in an open door, completely disgraceful.....but I think it will remove the competition SOU posed to LHR, which BA never liked.I'm with that competition now, (and not ashamed of it, though I would rather the move had never been necessary) and I have to say it reminds me of BRAL/Manx in the good old days. Not everyone is happy, there's the usual grousing and grumbling, but at least I feel part of the team, not despised as an expensive component. Even our new Head of Training is a BACON escapee!!
What now? What will close next? Who would buy BACON when they could just wait for it to fall over, and then step into the routes. I have a fair slice of pension with BACON, and therefore an interest in its survival, please tell me there is hope......
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Little Prince,i flew with your new head of training on his last flight at BACON,very nice man.
I would like to offer my very sincere condolences to those down at SOU,there are some fabulous people there.I have never worked out of the base myself,but have seen many up at BHX and they have been a joy to work with.It is appalling that the news comes out this way.
It looks like the ship has finally started to go under the water since it started sinking,and for me maybe its time to clime aboard a safer ship. Best of luck to all you hard workers at SOU, you deserve better than this.
I would like to offer my very sincere condolences to those down at SOU,there are some fabulous people there.I have never worked out of the base myself,but have seen many up at BHX and they have been a joy to work with.It is appalling that the news comes out this way.
It looks like the ship has finally started to go under the water since it started sinking,and for me maybe its time to clime aboard a safer ship. Best of luck to all you hard workers at SOU, you deserve better than this.
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Tha trouble with the management at BACON is that they spend most of their time fighting there own dedicated workforce, but when it comes to a fight with the commercial opposition they just don't have the stomache (or the business brain) for it!
Last one out please switch off the light and leave the key under the mat!
This company which I was once very proud to be a part of has becoming a laughing stock managed by a bunch of w**kers!
It's enough to make you
Last one out please switch off the light and leave the key under the mat!
This company which I was once very proud to be a part of has becoming a laughing stock managed by a bunch of w**kers!
It's enough to make you
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I and others at sou love our base just want to cry and cry not just losing our jobs but losing a special family. Well and truly shafted and what a nice way to find out leaked so that we were already aware of the worst by today anyway. Grrrrrrrrrrr
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One of the features of loco operations is a voracious apetite for a good fight. It is, alas, inevitable that FlyBe will take advantage of such easy prey in the form of Bacon management. You cannot blame them as they are doing exactly what they should do given the gift horse looking them straight in the mouth.
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Indeed no one can blame the opposition for rubbing BACON's nose in it.
What is mindbogglingly incomprehensible is that the same people who got us all into this mess are left in control.
Looking back on David Evan's career I am not aware of one year in at least the last ten that he has presided over an operation that made profit.
Why on earth doesnt Willie sack him and his cronies and start again?
Actualy I know the answer......... He has already given up on BACON and is now just letting it wither on the vine as our leases run out.
The low cost concept based on 145 aircraft never had a cats chance in hell...............
The more bases that can be closed before the inevitable happens the less there will be to bother about.....
To add insult to injury "Intercom" which facilitates communications between management and pilots as well as providing a general chat forum has gone down again. Coincidence??
I think not.
What is mindbogglingly incomprehensible is that the same people who got us all into this mess are left in control.
Looking back on David Evan's career I am not aware of one year in at least the last ten that he has presided over an operation that made profit.
Why on earth doesnt Willie sack him and his cronies and start again?
Actualy I know the answer......... He has already given up on BACON and is now just letting it wither on the vine as our leases run out.
The low cost concept based on 145 aircraft never had a cats chance in hell...............
The more bases that can be closed before the inevitable happens the less there will be to bother about.....
To add insult to injury "Intercom" which facilitates communications between management and pilots as well as providing a general chat forum has gone down again. Coincidence??
I think not.
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Originally Posted by Banzai Eagle
Rumours coming out now about mainline BA at MAN and GLA ceasing???
Rumour has it the MAN shuttle crew base will be closing inline with other UK base's.
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Well,
Intercom is STILL down.
I suppose you could argue the management are adopting an "open door" policy
Let BACON staff out and other operators in!
The reason Terry knew his stuff was because he started in aviation by sweeping the hangar floor and cutting the grass at Lympne! If only BACON had people like that who were in the management "team"..............................sorry, I was getting confused for a minute. I couldnt possibly know anything about airline managament - having a management degree and airline experience would over qualify me.
If communication is a key to success (which it is), I am not surprised that sooooooooo many people have CV's in with other airlines and caring less and less on a daily basis about what happens at BACON: THE PRODUCT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
Feedback saying "...4 cans of beer is not enough...." has been completely ignored and as a result our poor cabin crew are having to answer for our "management's" lack of planning. BUT ITS ALRIGHT! WE ARE MAKING MONEY! Oh really.
Management is pro-active not re-active; perhaps CRM should be binned in favour of "Human Resource Management and other useful techniques".
Anyway, what do I know? I only fly the line for 750hrs a year. Apparently you need to fly a considerable 2 sectors every 28 days in order to truly understand things.
BS
Intercom is STILL down.
I suppose you could argue the management are adopting an "open door" policy
Let BACON staff out and other operators in!
The reason Terry knew his stuff was because he started in aviation by sweeping the hangar floor and cutting the grass at Lympne! If only BACON had people like that who were in the management "team"..............................sorry, I was getting confused for a minute. I couldnt possibly know anything about airline managament - having a management degree and airline experience would over qualify me.
If communication is a key to success (which it is), I am not surprised that sooooooooo many people have CV's in with other airlines and caring less and less on a daily basis about what happens at BACON: THE PRODUCT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
Feedback saying "...4 cans of beer is not enough...." has been completely ignored and as a result our poor cabin crew are having to answer for our "management's" lack of planning. BUT ITS ALRIGHT! WE ARE MAKING MONEY! Oh really.
Management is pro-active not re-active; perhaps CRM should be binned in favour of "Human Resource Management and other useful techniques".
Anyway, what do I know? I only fly the line for 750hrs a year. Apparently you need to fly a considerable 2 sectors every 28 days in order to truly understand things.
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Post from Intercom by PH:
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject:
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I cannot explain the unavailability of Intercom, but it has nothing to do with any announcement or deliberate action by the Company. If it wasn’t available then it was a genuine technical problem
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I will ring you to discuss the remainder of your post.
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I will leave you to contact DW and explain what you are suggesting. He may well ask for an apology – I would.
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Quite frankly, given the circumstances, I find this B****** unacceptable.
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:16 am Post subject:
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I cannot explain the unavailability of Intercom, but it has nothing to do with any announcement or deliberate action by the Company. If it wasn’t available then it was a genuine technical problem
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I will ring you to discuss the remainder of your post.
<snip>
****,
I will leave you to contact DW and explain what you are suggesting. He may well ask for an apology – I would.
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Quite frankly, given the circumstances, I find this B****** unacceptable.