Oh No! not another announcement at BA CON
For those of you who are BACON BALPA members, have a look at the site.
Big moves are finally afoot! Watch this space. If we are all going to go down the tubes, we may as well drag some of the incompetent 'leaders' (term used VERY loosely) with us.
BA want nothing to do with us (or any of their shuttle outstations either from what I've also heard). There is no life outside of London... well the aircraft still say British Airways on the side, and Joe Public thinks we are the same, so we'll see very soon if 'all publicity is good publicity'.
Big moves are finally afoot! Watch this space. If we are all going to go down the tubes, we may as well drag some of the incompetent 'leaders' (term used VERY loosely) with us.
BA want nothing to do with us (or any of their shuttle outstations either from what I've also heard). There is no life outside of London... well the aircraft still say British Airways on the side, and Joe Public thinks we are the same, so we'll see very soon if 'all publicity is good publicity'.
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Marlowe !!
Marlowe, nothing personal, but as I recall, it was Brymon who supplied us with Tim de la FARCE and Moron McLaren just to start with. Wasn't it also a Brymon manager who defrauded the Company of several million quid, not to mention the BRYMON fool heading up the CC who refused an offer to have the RJ pilots on the master seniority list. Talk about a missed opportunity to get a foot in the door! Then we had the idiot big Cheese who single-handedly destroyed th morale of the ATP fleet (ah yes, another TDLF appointee, a Fleet Manager who was a low hours FO, with some previous Flt. Eng time in Crabair. Couldn't fly to save his @rse, and couldn't manage either - not that it mattered if you had TDLF's ear).
Nope, if there had been any wit at all, the majory surgery should have been done at day 1 of the amalgamation, it's too late now. I just bet Normie is 'reflective' about his choice of promotions.
I just hope that rhythm method's reference to some sort of action is accurate, at least we're not talking about an "announcement"!! Not being a BALPA memebr, (having resigned in disgust after the RJ seniority list fiasco) I can only hold my breath. (Exhales........so that didn't work then.......)
Nope, if there had been any wit at all, the majory surgery should have been done at day 1 of the amalgamation, it's too late now. I just bet Normie is 'reflective' about his choice of promotions.
I just hope that rhythm method's reference to some sort of action is accurate, at least we're not talking about an "announcement"!! Not being a BALPA memebr, (having resigned in disgust after the RJ seniority list fiasco) I can only hold my breath. (Exhales........so that didn't work then.......)
Very sad.....
Mid 90's after LC and Manx joined it was the best it ever was, don't let the mists of time fool anyone ...there was a lot of unrest, poor management and lots of people left, IOM had some of the poorest crewing and ops people known to man...Norm, John and Keef would never win any prizes as good managers but Terry managed to keep it all going in the right direction..unfortunaltey crap begats crap .... Keef and Norm chose their disciples to follow and now we have Paul, Carl and Simon.....same style, same crap management just no Terry to keep it going.
I had a lot of time for Terry.... vision, style, business accumen..he knew people with all of them....only kidding, he was the man, the force, probably the only reason Bral became what it was.
He knew the limits of Brewitt, Anstead and Manktelow and worked round them, I don't for one minute think that he thought that PH,CP would ever take the rolls that they have now...maybe wrong on that one but...??? He thought NM would take his post, he was Terry's man, and what a man was too, the proof is that he was one of the first to go...He had some personal standards.
It's no use complaining any more, I think it's gone too far for that. Look around people..Easy,Ryan,Flyble,Globespan etc. etc......
Who do you blame? who cares, no-one is going to listen anymore...The game is up, some lucky? ones will get into BA proper, everyone else start looking elsewhere....
Would the last one out please put PH's lights out
Mid 90's after LC and Manx joined it was the best it ever was, don't let the mists of time fool anyone ...there was a lot of unrest, poor management and lots of people left, IOM had some of the poorest crewing and ops people known to man...Norm, John and Keef would never win any prizes as good managers but Terry managed to keep it all going in the right direction..unfortunaltey crap begats crap .... Keef and Norm chose their disciples to follow and now we have Paul, Carl and Simon.....same style, same crap management just no Terry to keep it going.
I had a lot of time for Terry.... vision, style, business accumen..he knew people with all of them....only kidding, he was the man, the force, probably the only reason Bral became what it was.
He knew the limits of Brewitt, Anstead and Manktelow and worked round them, I don't for one minute think that he thought that PH,CP would ever take the rolls that they have now...maybe wrong on that one but...??? He thought NM would take his post, he was Terry's man, and what a man was too, the proof is that he was one of the first to go...He had some personal standards.
It's no use complaining any more, I think it's gone too far for that. Look around people..Easy,Ryan,Flyble,Globespan etc. etc......
Who do you blame? who cares, no-one is going to listen anymore...The game is up, some lucky? ones will get into BA proper, everyone else start looking elsewhere....
Would the last one out please put PH's lights out
Captain Correlli, to be fair to Brymon, Yes TDLF did arrive from Brymon, but he had already been parachuted in from Mainline to have a little play at being an airline manager! McL was the same.
I am not entirely sure that there was a formal offer from mainline to put RJ pilots on the master seniority. As far as I am aware, it was suggested in passing at a meeting, and was given a very cool reception due to the fact that it automatically would create yet another division within the workforce. In hindsight, perhaps it would have been a foot in the door, but it automatically alienated a large majority of the crews because they were flying turboprops. The irony being that a large proportion of mainline managers had 'cut their teeth' in the Highlands and Islands.
I would VERY seriously advise you to reconsider your stance on BALPA membership as there are currently at least 7 diciplinary hearings in progress. Those without BALPA backing are in real trouble. You have made your point, but you seriously do not want to be without union legal support if the worst were to happen.
I will not say too much on this public forum at the moment, but I have already received a half dozen phonecalls regarding a co-ordinated plan of action as yet to be revealed. We'll soon see how the matter progresses.
If anyone is not currently in the union, it's time to get off the fence, and don't forget the subscriptions are at a reduced rate for the first few years as well.
I am not entirely sure that there was a formal offer from mainline to put RJ pilots on the master seniority. As far as I am aware, it was suggested in passing at a meeting, and was given a very cool reception due to the fact that it automatically would create yet another division within the workforce. In hindsight, perhaps it would have been a foot in the door, but it automatically alienated a large majority of the crews because they were flying turboprops. The irony being that a large proportion of mainline managers had 'cut their teeth' in the Highlands and Islands.
I would VERY seriously advise you to reconsider your stance on BALPA membership as there are currently at least 7 diciplinary hearings in progress. Those without BALPA backing are in real trouble. You have made your point, but you seriously do not want to be without union legal support if the worst were to happen.
I will not say too much on this public forum at the moment, but I have already received a half dozen phonecalls regarding a co-ordinated plan of action as yet to be revealed. We'll soon see how the matter progresses.
If anyone is not currently in the union, it's time to get off the fence, and don't forget the subscriptions are at a reduced rate for the first few years as well.
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Just for the record, our FM is ex Brymon, and he is the most talented of the bunch, he can actually fly an aeroplane well, he's a 1st rate instructor and examiner, he's a great people person, he knows how to manage - he should be at the very least our Head of Training, but of course we don't promote on ability do we?
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Come on guys, stop this Brymon Bral bitching!
We've all got skeletons in our cupboards.
This is about the here and now.
Anyone in Bacon who thinks that they can manage without Balpa now is two sandwiches short of a picnic.................The writing is on the wall and whereas in the past Balpa has helped out misguided fallen colleagues who fell foul of our mismanagement, the word is that no one returns your phone calls these days. You are on your own buddy.........the guys are maxed out already with people who have paid their subs....
Take a reality check and put your prejudices behind you or pay the price.
its going to get very ugly in just a second.
We've all got skeletons in our cupboards.
This is about the here and now.
Anyone in Bacon who thinks that they can manage without Balpa now is two sandwiches short of a picnic.................The writing is on the wall and whereas in the past Balpa has helped out misguided fallen colleagues who fell foul of our mismanagement, the word is that no one returns your phone calls these days. You are on your own buddy.........the guys are maxed out already with people who have paid their subs....
Take a reality check and put your prejudices behind you or pay the price.
its going to get very ugly in just a second.
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Agree 100% with your appraisal of managers past and present. It is indeed very sad one of the best regional flying jobs will soon be no more.
Not only will I have no job but possibly no pension either!
Agree 100% with your appraisal of managers past and present. It is indeed very sad one of the best regional flying jobs will soon be no more.
Not only will I have no job but possibly no pension either!
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grasscutter that sounds about right,however i think its time to start looking elsewhere now.morale is so low,everyone is being worked to death,nobody wants to be there anymore.it would be nice to hang on and see if we got transfer rights to mainline if it went tits up,but i dont think i want to be around when the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.
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Don,t worry I'm looking with the rest of you. It's very sad to see one of the best regional flying jobs decimated in such a way, looks like I backed the wrong horse again. Mainline don't want anything to do with us, how many BA Conect pilots have got in this year? 2 or 3, I may be wrong.
Just heard that our rebranding budget of 850 000 pounds went up to 4 million.
As many posters have said, time to get back into balpa.
Just heard that our rebranding budget of 850 000 pounds went up to 4 million.
As many posters have said, time to get back into balpa.
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LP the answer to your question is..to a very limited extent does Intercom reflect what is said here.
People are terrified of saying what they think for fear of retribution and of course PH can wipe any post he doesnt like and make a phone call......as is his wont.
The reality is of course that Intercom, just like this and the balpa web site is a good sounding board where people can get things off their chest, make themsleves feel frightfully importanty for a moment or two and as a result a lot better for having done so.
Of course ............absolutely nothing happens because by and large BACON pilots are scared of their own shadows and have never done other than pay lip service to actualy doing anything Industrial to support or strengthen their beleagured and diminished Balpa reps.
That is why, to a man, most are getting pretty much their just desserts for being such selfish wimps who have consistently failed to pay heed to the havoc that was being wreaked in the company by total cretins...............until of course it was their base that was being closed or their pension that was being tinkered with.
What you sow..surely you shall reap.
People are terrified of saying what they think for fear of retribution and of course PH can wipe any post he doesnt like and make a phone call......as is his wont.
The reality is of course that Intercom, just like this and the balpa web site is a good sounding board where people can get things off their chest, make themsleves feel frightfully importanty for a moment or two and as a result a lot better for having done so.
Of course ............absolutely nothing happens because by and large BACON pilots are scared of their own shadows and have never done other than pay lip service to actualy doing anything Industrial to support or strengthen their beleagured and diminished Balpa reps.
That is why, to a man, most are getting pretty much their just desserts for being such selfish wimps who have consistently failed to pay heed to the havoc that was being wreaked in the company by total cretins...............until of course it was their base that was being closed or their pension that was being tinkered with.
What you sow..surely you shall reap.
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Look Folks
At the risk of saying something positive it surely aint quite as bleak as some here are painting it. (I hope!)
Loads seem to be strong whenever I'm at work and morale is not quite as bad as you'd think if you only went by threads like this. Granted the situation with SOU is bloody awful but methinks tomorrows (???) announcement will contain lots more stuff than the SOU base closure. Who knows...maybe there will be some good news! Then again.............
PS will some kind soul remind me how to get into intercom. I know its u123456 for the top line but what do you put in the other? Ta.
At the risk of saying something positive it surely aint quite as bleak as some here are painting it. (I hope!)
Loads seem to be strong whenever I'm at work and morale is not quite as bad as you'd think if you only went by threads like this. Granted the situation with SOU is bloody awful but methinks tomorrows (???) announcement will contain lots more stuff than the SOU base closure. Who knows...maybe there will be some good news! Then again.............
PS will some kind soul remind me how to get into intercom. I know its u123456 for the top line but what do you put in the other? Ta.
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You all discuss what awful muppets the management team are at BACON - and so they are! But consider the evil ones at the core of the universe who are really pulling the strings, - the BA board.
Just how much feedback do you get from these faceless zombies? - NON.They are the real cancer.
We contemplate and discuss the possible demise of the regional part of "British Airways PLC" and frankly it is very sad, however just watch the faces of these invisible Waterside mandarins when the cash rich Lo-cost operators bring the fight to Medium and long haul destinations from LHR and LGW! (don't forget these airports may soon be owned by much more progressive operators who may well dance to the tune of MOL and EZY after the "BOAC LIke" BAA owners)
BA ain't cast in stone chaps! Every dog has his day.
Just how much feedback do you get from these faceless zombies? - NON.They are the real cancer.
We contemplate and discuss the possible demise of the regional part of "British Airways PLC" and frankly it is very sad, however just watch the faces of these invisible Waterside mandarins when the cash rich Lo-cost operators bring the fight to Medium and long haul destinations from LHR and LGW! (don't forget these airports may soon be owned by much more progressive operators who may well dance to the tune of MOL and EZY after the "BOAC LIke" BAA owners)
BA ain't cast in stone chaps! Every dog has his day.