EZY to cancel TRSS in the future?
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Nick,
I hate to point out the obvious, but if the TRSS scheme is removed, your chances of ANY form of compensation are fairly remote as it goes against everything ezy believes in. The first people they screw are always their hard working pilots and CC.!!!!! You engaged them in a contract, binding on both sides, why would they pay you when they don't have to just because market conditions have changed? The fact that all pilots are leaving, easyJet would rather let everyone go to greener pastures than pay one pence extra. Thats how stupid they are.
I hate to point out the obvious, but if the TRSS scheme is removed, your chances of ANY form of compensation are fairly remote as it goes against everything ezy believes in. The first people they screw are always their hard working pilots and CC.!!!!! You engaged them in a contract, binding on both sides, why would they pay you when they don't have to just because market conditions have changed? The fact that all pilots are leaving, easyJet would rather let everyone go to greener pastures than pay one pence extra. Thats how stupid they are.
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I agree that they would not pay-off old TRSS if it were to go, however I doubt that they will let TRSS go. The may hire more cadets, because they are easy to get and even cheaper then TRSS.
Let's wait and see
Nick,
Let's wait and see
Nick,
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Nick, you are talking rubbish still. I read your posts and it is like they are written by a couple of different people. Is English your first language? Not having a go, just curious, as you seem to misinterpret what people are saying and if you are TRSS yourself you don't appear to have a grasp of what the contract you signed actually represents.
I am glad you are happy with it as there is nothing worse than feeling you didn't have much of a choice when this deal was first thrown at you. I like many others only found out about it at the interview (it wasn't on the EJ website at the time as it was a new 'thing') and as most things in EJ are it was take it or leave it. I took it and am using it for what it is. I don't complain about it, i don't want the money back if it goes (i'm a big boy i knew what it was when i signed the contract) and the majority of the people on it feel much the same.
What annoys me is the lack of understanding of TRSS (even by those who are on it) and the misrepresentation of it to those thinking about signing up for it. It is not a good deal for anyone but EJ and CTC. £23k for a 737 rating and some food and accommodation! Come on, you could get it for around £12 from other companies at the same time i started. You appear to have a very simplistic outlook on what EJ is all about, you talk about fairness and wisdom with reference to EJ management. Maybe once you have been around a bit longer you will pick up on what it is all really about. The bottom line is far more a driving force than caring about what state of mind the employees of EJ are in.
I am glad you are happy with it as there is nothing worse than feeling you didn't have much of a choice when this deal was first thrown at you. I like many others only found out about it at the interview (it wasn't on the EJ website at the time as it was a new 'thing') and as most things in EJ are it was take it or leave it. I took it and am using it for what it is. I don't complain about it, i don't want the money back if it goes (i'm a big boy i knew what it was when i signed the contract) and the majority of the people on it feel much the same.
What annoys me is the lack of understanding of TRSS (even by those who are on it) and the misrepresentation of it to those thinking about signing up for it. It is not a good deal for anyone but EJ and CTC. £23k for a 737 rating and some food and accommodation! Come on, you could get it for around £12 from other companies at the same time i started. You appear to have a very simplistic outlook on what EJ is all about, you talk about fairness and wisdom with reference to EJ management. Maybe once you have been around a bit longer you will pick up on what it is all really about. The bottom line is far more a driving force than caring about what state of mind the employees of EJ are in.
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TRSS will exist as long as there's people willing to pay. The only winners are the airlines. It's a cheap way of getting pilots. I see Thomas Cook have another similar scheme starting with Oxford. Ther must something in it for the airlines!!! Astreus charging for line training, how can they get with this we all ask? Because there is someone willing to pay, we pilots are our own worst enemies!!!
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I have to say that I feel Nick NOTOC has been somewhat misrepresented. He has stated that he personally is happy with the TRSS deal. However loathesome that may be to readers here, that is notheless his position. I do not see TRSS as the end of the world and as Bloggs2 has said, he cannot complain because he knew what he was signing up to. TRSS is merely a refelection of market forces and you only need to see what is happening with Astraeus, Jet 2, Ryanair etc to realise that easyJet must do the same or they will not be able to compete. Both Ryanair and easyJet are facing a critical shortage of pilots and therefore they are both being forced to offer DEP slots when they would rather use TRSS - once again market forces in operation. Many people are using the LCCs as a stepping stone to 'better things' -whatever that means to each person. For me personally, easyJet has been a great deal, but I would be the first to recognise that it has not been an even playing field - there have inevitably been winners and losers. Incidentally, I am not under any illusion as to the unreasonable nature of most airline managers - they are simply not in the business of being good to their employees. My own view is that being good to your employees makes good business sense but that view is not shared by the people that count!
I personally believe it is completely unreasonable to expect someone who has a solid job offer with a company like easyJet to turn it down to fulfil someone else's altruistic motives or because someone else's conscience is awoken to the apparent injustice of the situation! This is supply and demand - easyJet is offering a deal, and however unpalatable it may be, that is the deal on the table. This is like puting the bell on the cat - there was never any shortage of mice thinking it was a great idea but there was a huge shortage of mice willing to do it. The undoubtedly sincere misgivings of people on this forum about the disgrace of TRSS are not sufficiently great that they themselves will turn down jobs in aviation and go on the dole instead. Nor should we reasonably expect anyone who has a chance to fulfil their life's ambition turn down the opportunity because someone else dislikes the terms and conditions associated with the deal. At the end of the day, this is a matter for personal conscience - I could never blame someone for grasping the opportunity to become a pilot. In all honesty, there is not a single person on this forum complaining about TRSS who is willing to lift a finger to change it. By lifting a finger I am not talking about a few 'wise words' on PPrune - I am talking about genuine personal sacrifice such as a strike. That being the case, there really can be no complaints about someone who accepts the deal when necessity demands it. Whether it is a good deal or not for the industry overall.....well that's another matter!
I personally believe it is completely unreasonable to expect someone who has a solid job offer with a company like easyJet to turn it down to fulfil someone else's altruistic motives or because someone else's conscience is awoken to the apparent injustice of the situation! This is supply and demand - easyJet is offering a deal, and however unpalatable it may be, that is the deal on the table. This is like puting the bell on the cat - there was never any shortage of mice thinking it was a great idea but there was a huge shortage of mice willing to do it. The undoubtedly sincere misgivings of people on this forum about the disgrace of TRSS are not sufficiently great that they themselves will turn down jobs in aviation and go on the dole instead. Nor should we reasonably expect anyone who has a chance to fulfil their life's ambition turn down the opportunity because someone else dislikes the terms and conditions associated with the deal. At the end of the day, this is a matter for personal conscience - I could never blame someone for grasping the opportunity to become a pilot. In all honesty, there is not a single person on this forum complaining about TRSS who is willing to lift a finger to change it. By lifting a finger I am not talking about a few 'wise words' on PPrune - I am talking about genuine personal sacrifice such as a strike. That being the case, there really can be no complaints about someone who accepts the deal when necessity demands it. Whether it is a good deal or not for the industry overall.....well that's another matter!
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It is obvious that no-TRSS would be better than TRSS.
However, to further illustrate another obvious point, it should also be obvious that TRSS salary versus a turboprop salary which nets you THOUSANDS of pounds a year LESS, is much better.
Yes there are other jet jobs out there, but not all appeal to everyone. And even if they do appeal, you still have to apply, get noticed, then get interviewed etc. before you get an offer. So for some people TRSS will always look better than what they currently have. Sure, you could sit through the charter recruitment 'season' to see if you get anything, and if you don't, wait another year ad infinitum, or you could bite the relatively sweet-tasting TRSS pill and dramatically boost your income.
TRSS: Either you sign up to it or you don't. Whichever you do, I don't understand the cause for complaint. There's no point in signing up to it and then whinging, and there's no point in whinging about it if you would rather sit on the fence and wait for a better job.
To those who dislike people who sign up to the TRSS scheme, think of it this way: At least those 'muppets' who sign up to it are off the job market and not competing for your Thomsonfly/BA or whatever position.
However, to further illustrate another obvious point, it should also be obvious that TRSS salary versus a turboprop salary which nets you THOUSANDS of pounds a year LESS, is much better.
Yes there are other jet jobs out there, but not all appeal to everyone. And even if they do appeal, you still have to apply, get noticed, then get interviewed etc. before you get an offer. So for some people TRSS will always look better than what they currently have. Sure, you could sit through the charter recruitment 'season' to see if you get anything, and if you don't, wait another year ad infinitum, or you could bite the relatively sweet-tasting TRSS pill and dramatically boost your income.
TRSS: Either you sign up to it or you don't. Whichever you do, I don't understand the cause for complaint. There's no point in signing up to it and then whinging, and there's no point in whinging about it if you would rather sit on the fence and wait for a better job.
To those who dislike people who sign up to the TRSS scheme, think of it this way: At least those 'muppets' who sign up to it are off the job market and not competing for your Thomsonfly/BA or whatever position.
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ezydriver,
Apologies for any misunderstanding, but I was comparing FO salaries. However, having said that, yours seems to be a common career route, and without commenting on your personal circumstances (as I have no idea what they are), presumably most people who do move from TP CP to TRSS SFO and take a pay cut are doing it because it suits them, personally.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of TRSS. If you could give me a switch to turn it off, I would. If BALPA, of which I am a member, organised a unified worldwide boycott of self-sponsoring type ratings and coordinated with all the other unions, then I'd sign up to it, but what I won't do, and what some seem to be suggesting, is risk the progress of my own career apparently all by myself.
Apologies for any misunderstanding, but I was comparing FO salaries. However, having said that, yours seems to be a common career route, and without commenting on your personal circumstances (as I have no idea what they are), presumably most people who do move from TP CP to TRSS SFO and take a pay cut are doing it because it suits them, personally.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of TRSS. If you could give me a switch to turn it off, I would. If BALPA, of which I am a member, organised a unified worldwide boycott of self-sponsoring type ratings and coordinated with all the other unions, then I'd sign up to it, but what I won't do, and what some seem to be suggesting, is risk the progress of my own career apparently all by myself.
