EZY to cancel TRSS in the future?
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baronrouge : depends on what kind of jet. Equivalent B737/A319 then you might get away with it. Smaller than this then probably TRSS. We had MD80 guys that went DE SFO rather than TRSS, however Embraer or CRJ then TRSS. The 90% for 6 months applies regardless of entry method and will apply again on upgrade to Captain.[/quote]
Thanks mate! thanks everybody for the comments... I've got 6t on AVRO/RJ... it's not MD80 yet... anybody avoided TRSS with similar experience???
Thanks mate! thanks everybody for the comments... I've got 6t on AVRO/RJ... it's not MD80 yet... anybody avoided TRSS with similar experience???
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I inquired for a friend with 3500tt, about 1500 Bae146 hours and was told only three days ago that he would go on TRSS, and yet I also know a ex Saab 340 chap with 500 hours whose DE with Easy about five months ago.
Dunno whats going on.
Oh look, there goes those goalposts again.........
I inquired for a friend with 3500tt, about 1500 Bae146 hours and was told only three days ago that he would go on TRSS, and yet I also know a ex Saab 340 chap with 500 hours whose DE with Easy about five months ago.
Dunno whats going on.
Oh look, there goes those goalposts again.........
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I am the same 700 + hours on RJ100 Total Time of 2500+, just been advised that this is not classified as medium jet....so only TRSS for me...
Have to let it slip in this instance I guess. It would mean I get a airbusrating, bonded for 3 years and less money than I have now...
Have to let it slip in this instance I guess. It would mean I get a airbusrating, bonded for 3 years and less money than I have now...
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teis,
You are kidding me? They want you to do trss even though you have multi jet multi crew time??? Not when I signed up three years ago.
No wonder my mates in the LHS are having to fly more often in the RHS!
You are kidding me? They want you to do trss even though you have multi jet multi crew time??? Not when I signed up three years ago.
No wonder my mates in the LHS are having to fly more often in the RHS!
Same here I'm afraid...
4700 Hours total, 3000 on BAe146 (1900 of which are command) and I was only offered TRSS. Simply couldn't afford to take up the 'offer'.
Yet we keep hearing how short of F/Os ezy are?
Unfortunately, it's a bit too much of a money-making scam.
4700 Hours total, 3000 on BAe146 (1900 of which are command) and I was only offered TRSS. Simply couldn't afford to take up the 'offer'.
Yet we keep hearing how short of F/Os ezy are?
Unfortunately, it's a bit too much of a money-making scam.
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A few years back they were taking on 146 Captains as DEC on the 737.
Oh how times have changed. I'm sure they will change yet again, as they have done regarding the "If you have already applied and were unsuccessful, then you are barred from applying again" routine.
If they are as short of guys as you all say they are, then either they have to review their criteria Yet Again or cancel a Sh1t load of flights and start "down sizing".
Oh how times have changed. I'm sure they will change yet again, as they have done regarding the "If you have already applied and were unsuccessful, then you are barred from applying again" routine.
If they are as short of guys as you all say they are, then either they have to review their criteria Yet Again or cancel a Sh1t load of flights and start "down sizing".
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The thing is though, I really wanted to work for them. But with this being the only offer I more or less feel betrayed already.
Oh and by the way the Fokker 100 is good enough to enter as DEP, yet the RJ isn't......
Oh and by the way the Fokker 100 is good enough to enter as DEP, yet the RJ isn't......
Hundredpercent,
I was offered the position almost exactly a year ago..
...couldn't take the position immediately due to personal circumstances so was put into the hold pool, but now I have decided that it is too much of a pay drop with the added bonus of £23k loans against your name.
If they re-assess their requirements and decide to offer DEP positions, I will re-think my decision.
I was offered the position almost exactly a year ago..
...couldn't take the position immediately due to personal circumstances so was put into the hold pool, but now I have decided that it is too much of a pay drop with the added bonus of £23k loans against your name.
If they re-assess their requirements and decide to offer DEP positions, I will re-think my decision.
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JW411,
Maybe not, but I don't think they have seen my face yet..
....as I have not been to the selection day....but this is what they offered me before coming to the interview.
In this case I don't even think it's worth going there. Two day selection for nothing, because I can't simply enough afford the offer.
Regards,
Teis.
Maybe not, but I don't think they have seen my face yet..
....as I have not been to the selection day....but this is what they offered me before coming to the interview.In this case I don't even think it's worth going there. Two day selection for nothing, because I can't simply enough afford the offer.
Regards,
Teis.
If Teis is being totally honest, all I can assume is that Easy recruitment doesnt know its a*se from its elbow
Typical of airline recruitment departments all over really......
Teis apply to www.flymonarch.com, they will take you with that kind of experience
Typical of airline recruitment departments all over really......
Teis apply to www.flymonarch.com, they will take you with that kind of experience
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Ah yes the old easy/146/ctc saga crops up again. Total BS. The story supposedly goes that when Debonair went bust, Easy took on a load of ex 146 drivers and supposedly had problems with them therefore every 146 pilot in Europe is crap in the orange and white world of Lootown. Add to that the fact that CTC don't like them either because it didn't have 737 written on the side of it..'so it must be crap' and you have the double whammy. Now mix into that a recruitment department where most think that 146's have 2 props on them and the sun rises in the west and a genuinely misguided belief that people actually want to pay to work for easyjet and what do you get??
Try Titan 737 and 757 (an the odd globespan 76) subs for the summer and 60+ flights a week cancelled.
Factor into that the 'acceptable' attrition rate of 10+ pilots a month leaving, not enough trainers to train the recruits and a roster pattern that has left the remaining crews maxed out and you get....orange meltdown
Once good outfit, gone bad.
Try Titan 737 and 757 (an the odd globespan 76) subs for the summer and 60+ flights a week cancelled.
Factor into that the 'acceptable' attrition rate of 10+ pilots a month leaving, not enough trainers to train the recruits and a roster pattern that has left the remaining crews maxed out and you get....orange meltdown
Once good outfit, gone bad.
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What you have to remember is that contrary to popular belief, easyJet are not scraping the bottom of the barrel. What they are looking for are experienced 737NG and A320 rated pilots - and they are going to be looking a long time! There is no shortage whatsoever of low-houred frozen ATPLs applying. Regarding the RJ/146, easyJet's experience with pilots from there was not altogether positive (before anyone gets on their high horse - I used to fly the 146). Nonetheless some, but not all, of the people recruited either failed the course completely or struggled greatly. As we all know, it only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.
I would not accept carmanfly's characterisation of the situation of 'orange meltdown' or 'once a good outfit, gone bad'. From where I sit, easyJet is the best it has ever been to work for and I personally am very happy here. There have been some significant management errors in terms of crewing levels that are coming back to bite us in a big way this summer. The subbing-in of Titan, Thomas Cook etc is frankly a disgrace brought about by too lean crewing levels. I fully expect someone at a high level to fall on his sword over this, and if he does not do so some assistance from the CEO may be provided! Nonetheless, from a worker bee's perspective, I have a great job day to day and will gladly take this job any day over many of the other options out there. I still believe that next to BA and Virgin, this is one of the best airlines to work for in the UK.
What we all need to recognise is that pilot recruitment is essentially an issue of supply and demand. The name of the game for any company is to pay the least it can get away with in order to minimise costs. As long as there are sufficient people willing to sign up to TRSS, there will be no change to the policy. You can argue the rights and wrongs of it, but that is nonetheless the harsh reality of the world we live in.
I would not accept carmanfly's characterisation of the situation of 'orange meltdown' or 'once a good outfit, gone bad'. From where I sit, easyJet is the best it has ever been to work for and I personally am very happy here. There have been some significant management errors in terms of crewing levels that are coming back to bite us in a big way this summer. The subbing-in of Titan, Thomas Cook etc is frankly a disgrace brought about by too lean crewing levels. I fully expect someone at a high level to fall on his sword over this, and if he does not do so some assistance from the CEO may be provided! Nonetheless, from a worker bee's perspective, I have a great job day to day and will gladly take this job any day over many of the other options out there. I still believe that next to BA and Virgin, this is one of the best airlines to work for in the UK.
What we all need to recognise is that pilot recruitment is essentially an issue of supply and demand. The name of the game for any company is to pay the least it can get away with in order to minimise costs. As long as there are sufficient people willing to sign up to TRSS, there will be no change to the policy. You can argue the rights and wrongs of it, but that is nonetheless the harsh reality of the world we live in.
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Regarding the RJ/146, easyJet's experience with pilots from there was not altogether positive (before anyone gets on their high horse - I used to fly the 146). Nonetheless some, but not all, of the people recruited either failed the course completely or struggled greatly
Id be more inclined to believe the (if its not a 737 its crap) argument, as having had a bit to do with CTC, Ive found a certain level of type snobbery to exist
So I guess they are gonna rule out all those Flybe guys who want to move on.
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757 Manipulator - your post sums up the frustrations of discussions here on PPrune. It is so important to read what is said and not what you think someone might be wanting to say. Nobody, least of all me as a 146-rated pilot, has suggested, either uimplicitly or explicitly, that easyJet and CTC consider 'all 146 drivers as a liability'. For you to suggest that just raises the ante and is a misrepresenation of what I said.
Forgetting easyJet for a moment, my previous company which is a well-respected jet airline, did not regard 146 time as any 'better' than turbine experience and so it would be fair to say that the 146 is at best regarded as a 'halfway house' within the industry. What I said is that a number of 146 pilots, but by no means all, have experienced some difficulty is tranferring to more complex types such as the 737 or Airbus. As a previously contributor has pointed out, in the past easyJet took 146 pilots as DECs but my understanding is that due to some difficulties that arose they will not be doing that now. Many 146 pilots now fly larger and more complex types and so it would clearly be ludicrous to suggest that because you flew this aircraft at some stage in your career, you are de-facto a worse pilot than someone who has not! I think, however, it would be fair to say that most employers would regard certain other jet types (ie BAC 111s, MD80s, Fokker 100s, other Boeing and Airbus types etc) as more akin to the 737/A319, and therefore provide more relevant experience. RJ/146 time tends to be regarded more in the same light as heavy turboprop time.
Incidentally, we already have loads of ex-FlyBe pilots at easyJet who are highly competent individuals. Indeed some of them have subsequently left us and gone on to fly 777s with BA so clearly they are well thought of.
Forgetting easyJet for a moment, my previous company which is a well-respected jet airline, did not regard 146 time as any 'better' than turbine experience and so it would be fair to say that the 146 is at best regarded as a 'halfway house' within the industry. What I said is that a number of 146 pilots, but by no means all, have experienced some difficulty is tranferring to more complex types such as the 737 or Airbus. As a previously contributor has pointed out, in the past easyJet took 146 pilots as DECs but my understanding is that due to some difficulties that arose they will not be doing that now. Many 146 pilots now fly larger and more complex types and so it would clearly be ludicrous to suggest that because you flew this aircraft at some stage in your career, you are de-facto a worse pilot than someone who has not! I think, however, it would be fair to say that most employers would regard certain other jet types (ie BAC 111s, MD80s, Fokker 100s, other Boeing and Airbus types etc) as more akin to the 737/A319, and therefore provide more relevant experience. RJ/146 time tends to be regarded more in the same light as heavy turboprop time.
Incidentally, we already have loads of ex-FlyBe pilots at easyJet who are highly competent individuals. Indeed some of them have subsequently left us and gone on to fly 777s with BA so clearly they are well thought of.
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NSF,
If 146 time is regarded as "heavy turbo prop", howcome BA and Virgin are more than happy to take 146 pilots. Couldn't agree more with the CTC snobbery thing. Shirley (sic) it is the recruitment process that should pick out the "decent" candidates. If Easy consult CTC over the recruitment process, then perhaps it will be Boeing driven. Out in the non-aviation world, recruitment does not take the "I drive a bigger car than you" direction. At the end of the day TRSS is purely and simply an accountancy driven fact of aviation life and it stings the potential employee well and truly where it hurts - how does that encourage people to stay at Easy.
If I do have to swallow that bitter pill, I may have to and go the TRSS route. But CANCELLING TRSS would be an extremely good thing for both moral and loyalty and perhaps even safety.
I would though dearly like to know where all that £23,000 goes to. And on top of that where on earth does the cut from the reduced salary go to........
If 146 time is regarded as "heavy turbo prop", howcome BA and Virgin are more than happy to take 146 pilots. Couldn't agree more with the CTC snobbery thing. Shirley (sic) it is the recruitment process that should pick out the "decent" candidates. If Easy consult CTC over the recruitment process, then perhaps it will be Boeing driven. Out in the non-aviation world, recruitment does not take the "I drive a bigger car than you" direction. At the end of the day TRSS is purely and simply an accountancy driven fact of aviation life and it stings the potential employee well and truly where it hurts - how does that encourage people to stay at Easy.
If I do have to swallow that bitter pill, I may have to and go the TRSS route. But CANCELLING TRSS would be an extremely good thing for both moral and loyalty and perhaps even safety.
I would though dearly like to know where all that £23,000 goes to. And on top of that where on earth does the cut from the reduced salary go to........